Will the knicks be better with stoudemire?

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  • imdrbbro
    Rookie
    • Oct 2012
    • 58

    #1

    Will the knicks be better with stoudemire?

    shumpert to me will make the knicks better, he is a great defensive guard and will help the load when kidd has tough match ups. i also believe stoudemire will make the knicks better , as the knicks struggle with offence when melo is off the court , i think its just managing the minutes of the players which will be crucial to ensure that there is always scoring on the floor
  • jeebs9
    Fear is the Unknown
    • Oct 2008
    • 47568

    #2
    Re: Will the knicks be better with stoudemire?

    I think the problem I see right now. Is that Melo is playing in Amare position right now. I think a major reason Melo been playing out of this world. Is because his match-up seems to mess up other teams match-ups. For example, Tonight they play the Nets. And if Melo is going to play. He would of been match up with Kris Humps or Reggie Evans (Avery would never let that happen). So he'll match up with Wallace playing the 4. If Amare comes back. He mess the whole thing that has been making them so good right now. Unless he comes off the bench. They would be able to keep that small ball going. But even then. He'll be cutting into Sheed and Novak minutes off the bench. And I think Amare is too expensive to just sit on the bench. So it will be something to see when he finally comes back.
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    • kingkilla56
      Hall Of Fame
      • Jun 2009
      • 19395

      #3
      Re: Will the knicks be better with stoudemire?

      I have zero reservations/concerns about Amare joining the team.

      I just want him back so we can move on and work on our rotations going forward. Im tired of the speculations and assumptions that he will ruin something. That just wont happen, not for long anyway.
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      • ojandpizza
        Hall Of Fame
        • Apr 2011
        • 29807

        #4
        I don't see anyway Amar'e can hurt the team when he returns. Whether he starts or doesn't start he adds an all star caliber player to the team and provides one of the top teams in the east with even more depth..

        Luckily for NY the east is extremely weak this year and they should be able to experiment around with rotations without hurting their record or playoff seeding until they find what works best..

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        • AlexBrady
          MVP
          • Jul 2008
          • 3341

          #5
          Re: Will the knicks be better with stoudemire?

          Doubtful, since Stoudemire can't (and never could) create his own shots, pass, handle, defend, rebound, or do anything useful in the clutch.

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          • InthePaint
            Banned
            • Nov 2012
            • 707

            #6
            Re: Will the knicks be better with stoudemire?

            Do folks forget that before the Melo trade that Amare was scoring very well?

            I dont think shooting threes and Melo at the four is gonna work in a playoffs.
            Amare if on his game should provide some low post scoring that Chandler doesnt have.

            The same way Mike Dantoni should figure out a way to have Howard & Gasol on the court together, the same should be asked of Mike Woodson. Figure out a way to let Amare get elbow shots, iso post-ups, and pick-n-rolls.

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            • ojandpizza
              Hall Of Fame
              • Apr 2011
              • 29807

              #7
              Originally posted by InthePaint
              Do folks forget that before the Melo trade that Amare was scoring very well?

              I dont think shooting threes and Melo at the four is gonna work in a playoffs.
              Amare if on his game should provide some low post scoring that Chandler doesnt have.

              The same way Mike Dantoni should figure out a way to have Howard & Gasol on the court together, the same should be asked of Mike Woodson. Figure out a way to let Amare get elbow shots, iso post-ups, and pick-n-rolls.
              I agree. I think they should find a way to give Amar'e and Kidd lots of court time together. I could see them being good in a pick and roll situation.

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              • InthePaint
                Banned
                • Nov 2012
                • 707

                #8
                Re: Will the knicks be better with stoudemire?

                Originally posted by ojandpizza
                I agree. I think they should find a way to give Amar'e and Kidd lots of court time together. I could see them being good in a pick and roll situation.
                Felton was w/ the Knicks when Amare was getting "MVP" chants at the Garden before Melo came in.

                Melo just demands so much space and Ive never seen him paired w/ a productive big man. Martin and Nene dont count.

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                • AlexBrady
                  MVP
                  • Jul 2008
                  • 3341

                  #9
                  Re: Will the knicks be better with stoudemire?

                  Originally posted by InthePaint
                  Do folks forget that before the Melo trade that Amare was scoring very well?

                  I dont think shooting threes and Melo at the four is gonna work in a playoffs.
                  Amare if on his game should provide some low post scoring that Chandler doesnt have.

                  The same way Mike Dantoni should figure out a way to have Howard & Gasol on the court together, the same should be asked of Mike Woodson. Figure out a way to let Amare get elbow shots, iso post-ups, and pick-n-rolls.
                  Stoudemire is a one on none jump shooter now, nothing more. His incredible warp speed (and ability to make tight spins) is gone, and he was always more of a finisher on the end of screen/rolls than a post up player.

                  Anthony is basically unguardable at the power forward spot, but he is easier to front. Will he be willing to run off ball patterns so he can catch and shoot?

                  The biggest reason why Howard and Gasol cannot articulate with each other is because Howard has not developed a 12-15 foot jump shot. Consequently, Howard is always clogging the middle.
                  Last edited by AlexBrady; 12-21-2012, 05:11 PM.

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                  • bigeastbumrush
                    My Momma's Son
                    • Feb 2003
                    • 19245

                    #10
                    Re: Will the knicks be better with stoudemire?

                    Originally posted by AlexBrady
                    Stoudemire is a one on none jump shooter now, nothing more. His incredible warp speed (and ability to make tight spins) is gone, and he was always more of a finisher on the end of screen/rolls than a post up player.

                    Anthony is basically unguardable at the power forward spot, but he is easier to front. Will he be willing to run off ball patterns so he can catch and shoot?

                    The biggest reason why Howard and Gasol cannot articulate with each other is because Howard has not developed a 12-15 foot jump shot. Consequently, Howard is always clogging the middle.
                    How can you tell us what Amare is capable of if he hasn't played a single game yet this season?

                    And Melo has done his fair share of catch and shooting this season already if you've watched enough games.

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                    • kingkilla56
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Jun 2009
                      • 19395

                      #11
                      Re: Will the knicks be better with stoudemire?

                      Howard and Gasol can't mesh because Howard can't shoot jumpshots? What?


                      And that's a lot of things you know Amare can't do anymore. How about we see him play a little bit first Alex.
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                      • AlexBrady
                        MVP
                        • Jul 2008
                        • 3341

                        #12
                        Re: Will the knicks be better with stoudemire?

                        Originally posted by bigeastbumrush
                        How can you tell us what Amare is capable of if he hasn't played a single game yet this season?

                        And Melo has done his fair share of catch and shooting this season already if you've watched enough games.
                        I'm basing that on what I saw out of him last year. How likely is it that his game has improved after yet another knee injury?

                        I haven't seen Anthony do the kind of cutting, popping, screening, fading, and snaking that will win a Championship.

                        Originally posted by kingkilla56
                        Howard and Gasol can't mesh because Howard can't shoot jumpshots? What?


                        And that's a lot of things you know Amare can't do anymore. How about we see him play a little bit first Alex.
                        Yes. Gasol attracts double teams in the low post and can make savvy out passes. If Howard could shoot, he could certainly take advantage of Gasol's skills.

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                        • kingkilla56
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Jun 2009
                          • 19395

                          #13
                          Re: Will the knicks be better with stoudemire?

                          Asking Dwight Howard to get a jumpshot is a little absurd. How many centers have a jumpshot?

                          Shouldnt Howard be the one grabbing double teams in the post and Gasol knocking down shots?
                          Last edited by kingkilla56; 12-21-2012, 07:24 PM.
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                          • bigeastbumrush
                            My Momma's Son
                            • Feb 2003
                            • 19245

                            #14
                            Re: Will the knicks be better with stoudemire?

                            Originally posted by AlexBrady
                            I'm basing that on what I saw out of him last year. How likely is it that his game has improved after yet another knee injury?

                            I haven't seen Anthony do the kind of cutting, popping, screening, fading, and snaking that will win a Championship.



                            Yes. Gasol attracts double teams in the low post and can make savvy out passes. If Howard could shoot, he could certainly take advantage of Gasol's skills.
                            You're basing it off of last year. Ok.

                            Different coach, different role, different responsibilities. All of which none of us have seen because Amare hasn't even practiced with the team as yet.

                            Since when does a player has to do all of those things to win a championship because you say so? Can they make the playoffs first...lol.

                            Melo's really gotta work on that snaking I tell ya. That will definitely take his game to the next level.

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                            • ojandpizza
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Apr 2011
                              • 29807

                              #15
                              Originally posted by kingkilla56
                              Asking Dwight Howard to get a jumpshot is a little absurd. How many centers have a jumpshot?

                              Shouldnt Howard be the one grabbing double teams in the post and Gasol knocking down shots?
                              Well not many people double Dwight anymore. It's been known that he has ZERO post moves.. Just get good position or foul and you'll be fine.

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