First move you would make if you were Isiah?

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PrimeTime21 said:
the Knicks need another guy who can score and rebound

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No. The Knicks need to unload contracts. That's priority #1 IMHO.

The Knicks most value right now:
-Charlie Ward [his contract is up and there's some clause where a team can cut him by the deadline- someone can clarify the details of this for me]

-Kurt Thomas [good scorer, great rebounder and defender, low salary &amp; can opt out of contract after this season]

-Othella Harrington [decent low post scorer]

-Mike Sweetney [no one truly knows, but he should be a solid player in 2-3 years]

The Knicks somehow have to package the above guys with Howard Eisley and Shandon Anderson to get something back. I'd be willing to take a losing season as long as we get rid of these contracts and have some money this coming offseason with McDyess' contract up.

I don't think there's a GM dumb enough in the league to take Eisley and Anderson's contracts. That's the dilemma.

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even if u do unload contracts u still have to get of some power forwards they got like 5 on the team and thats too many. Thomas, McDyess, Sweetney, Lampe, Harrington, at least ONE HAS to go out of Harrington and Thomas.I think Lampe will be good when he starts to play. Eisley and Anderson contracts are contracts they're gonna get stuck with. Nobody wants bench players for starter money

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Re: First move you would make if you were Isiah?

David Aldridge's Take...Link. Here. Thoughts??


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let Antonio McDyess go this summer. We all hope Dice can come all the way back from his latest injury, but don't hold the franchise hostage waiting for it. Sweetney and Lampe are the future up front. There is precedent here -- in 1987, the Knicks had to make a decision on a former All-Star forward who was coming off of a serious knee injury. All they knew was the guy was working hard and said he'd be his old self. They decided to pass on Bernard King and he went to Washington. If they had re-signed King for major dollars, he may have sold out the Garden for a couple of years. But they would have never been able to surround Patrick Ewing with enough talent to ultimately reach the Finals in '94.


Do the same thing here. Hope Dice plays his way into a mid-level exception contract, and wish him well. I know that only leaves Williams from the Marcus Camby-Nene deal. So what? If Williams turns into a legit lead point, no one will care.


Sixth, don't worry about the previous regime's bad contracts. Nothing you can do about them now. Don't make the problem worse by trading them for longer, worse contracts coming back that will only get you a round or so in the playoffs. (I know: the Garden makes $1 million every time it opens its doors, so even one round's worth of home games is a big deal.) But there's a bigger picture here. If you can't find takers for Shandon Anderson or Howard Eisley, don't sweat it.


Seventh, deal the guys you can deal for picks instead of players when at all possible. Everyone wanted Layden to get Nick Van Exel for Kurt Thomas and Charlie Ward. Mistake. Not that Nick at Nite isn't still a really talented player. But he's 32. There's no future there. Better to call Denver and try and get one of the Nuggets' future first-round picks from Thomas. There's little downside for the Nuggets, whose timetable to rebuild has been accelerated. Kurt Thomas's deal doesn't expire until after next season, true, but Denver may be more willing to pay for a moderately priced veteran ($5.8 million next season) that can help now instead of using some of that loot on a non-Lottery first-rounder. See if you can pry Melvin Ely or Chris Wilcox from the Clippers, who are looking for a point, for Ward. But, at the least, get a pick.


Eighth, do a Mutombo/Kemp. Buy out Keith Van Horn after this season. You owe him $30 million after this season rain or shine, so sell him on the idea that he'll get all his money up front, and become a free agent in a summer where there's probably not going to be a luxury tax -- and teams will likely be more likely to open their wallets. Also, by becoming a free agent sooner, KVH could get one more decent contract before the Collective Bargaining Agreement expires after '07. Teams are already gearing for that -- look at how many superstars' deals expire after that season. The reason to do it is so he comes off the books after the 2003-04 season, not '04-05. That would put New York under the cap after next season, a place they haven't been in a decade.



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[bigeastbumrush]

Re: First move you would make if you were Isiah?

David Aldridge's Take...Link. Here. Thoughts??


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let Antonio McDyess go this summer. We all hope Dice can come all the way back from his latest injury, but don't hold the franchise hostage waiting for it. Sweetney and Lampe are the future up front. There is precedent here -- in 1987, the Knicks had to make a decision on a former All-Star forward who was coming off of a serious knee injury. All they knew was the guy was working hard and said he'd be his old self. They decided to pass on Bernard King and he went to Washington. If they had re-signed King for major dollars, he may have sold out the Garden for a couple of years. But they would have never been able to surround Patrick Ewing with enough talent to ultimately reach the Finals in '94.


Do the same thing here. Hope Dice plays his way into a mid-level exception contract, and wish him well. I know that only leaves Williams from the Marcus Camby-Nene deal. So what? If Williams turns into a legit lead point, no one will care.


Sixth, don't worry about the previous regime's bad contracts. Nothing you can do about them now. Don't make the problem worse by trading them for longer, worse contracts coming back that will only get you a round or so in the playoffs. (I know: the Garden makes $1 million every time it opens its doors, so even one round's worth of home games is a big deal.) But there's a bigger picture here. If you can't find takers for Shandon Anderson or Howard Eisley, don't sweat it.


Seventh, deal the guys you can deal for picks instead of players when at all possible. Everyone wanted Layden to get Nick Van Exel for Kurt Thomas and Charlie Ward. Mistake. Not that Nick at Nite isn't still a really talented player. But he's 32. There's no future there. Better to call Denver and try and get one of the Nuggets' future first-round picks from Thomas. There's little downside for the Nuggets, whose timetable to rebuild has been accelerated. Kurt Thomas's deal doesn't expire until after next season, true, but Denver may be more willing to pay for a moderately priced veteran ($5.8 million next season) that can help now instead of using some of that loot on a non-Lottery first-rounder. See if you can pry Melvin Ely or Chris Wilcox from the Clippers, who are looking for a point, for Ward. But, at the least, get a pick.


Eighth, do a Mutombo/Kemp. Buy out Keith Van Horn after this season. You owe him $30 million after this season rain or shine, so sell him on the idea that he'll get all his money up front, and become a free agent in a summer where there's probably not going to be a luxury tax -- and teams will likely be more likely to open their wallets. Also, by becoming a free agent sooner, KVH could get one more decent contract before the Collective Bargaining Agreement expires after '07. Teams are already gearing for that -- look at how many superstars' deals expire after that season. The reason to do it is so he comes off the books after the 2003-04 season, not '04-05. That would put New York under the cap after next season, a place they haven't been in a decade.



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[bigeastbumrush]

Re: First move you would make if you were Isiah?

David Aldridge's Take...Link. Here. Thoughts??


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let Antonio McDyess go this summer. We all hope Dice can come all the way back from his latest injury, but don't hold the franchise hostage waiting for it. Sweetney and Lampe are the future up front. There is precedent here -- in 1987, the Knicks had to make a decision on a former All-Star forward who was coming off of a serious knee injury. All they knew was the guy was working hard and said he'd be his old self. They decided to pass on Bernard King and he went to Washington. If they had re-signed King for major dollars, he may have sold out the Garden for a couple of years. But they would have never been able to surround Patrick Ewing with enough talent to ultimately reach the Finals in '94.


Do the same thing here. Hope Dice plays his way into a mid-level exception contract, and wish him well. I know that only leaves Williams from the Marcus Camby-Nene deal. So what? If Williams turns into a legit lead point, no one will care.


Sixth, don't worry about the previous regime's bad contracts. Nothing you can do about them now. Don't make the problem worse by trading them for longer, worse contracts coming back that will only get you a round or so in the playoffs. (I know: the Garden makes $1 million every time it opens its doors, so even one round's worth of home games is a big deal.) But there's a bigger picture here. If you can't find takers for Shandon Anderson or Howard Eisley, don't sweat it.


Seventh, deal the guys you can deal for picks instead of players when at all possible. Everyone wanted Layden to get Nick Van Exel for Kurt Thomas and Charlie Ward. Mistake. Not that Nick at Nite isn't still a really talented player. But he's 32. There's no future there. Better to call Denver and try and get one of the Nuggets' future first-round picks from Thomas. There's little downside for the Nuggets, whose timetable to rebuild has been accelerated. Kurt Thomas's deal doesn't expire until after next season, true, but Denver may be more willing to pay for a moderately priced veteran ($5.8 million next season) that can help now instead of using some of that loot on a non-Lottery first-rounder. See if you can pry Melvin Ely or Chris Wilcox from the Clippers, who are looking for a point, for Ward. But, at the least, get a pick.


Eighth, do a Mutombo/Kemp. Buy out Keith Van Horn after this season. You owe him $30 million after this season rain or shine, so sell him on the idea that he'll get all his money up front, and become a free agent in a summer where there's probably not going to be a luxury tax -- and teams will likely be more likely to open their wallets. Also, by becoming a free agent sooner, KVH could get one more decent contract before the Collective Bargaining Agreement expires after '07. Teams are already gearing for that -- look at how many superstars' deals expire after that season. The reason to do it is so he comes off the books after the 2003-04 season, not '04-05. That would put New York under the cap after next season, a place they haven't been in a decade.



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Re: First move you would make if you were Isiah?

Aldridge has a good take there.

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Re: First move you would make if you were Isiah?

Aldridge has a good take there.

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Re: First move you would make if you were Isiah?

Aldridge has a good take there.

[PrimeTime21]

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bigeastbumrush said:
David Aldridge's Take...Link. Here. Thoughts??


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let Antonio McDyess go this summer. We all hope Dice can come all the way back from his latest injury, but don't hold the franchise hostage waiting for it. Sweetney and Lampe are the future up front. There is precedent here -- in 1987, the Knicks had to make a decision on a former All-Star forward who was coming off of a serious knee injury. All they knew was the guy was working hard and said he'd be his old self. They decided to pass on Bernard King and he went to Washington. If they had re-signed King for major dollars, he may have sold out the Garden for a couple of years. But they would have never been able to surround Patrick Ewing with enough talent to ultimately reach the Finals in '94.


Do the same thing here. Hope Dice plays his way into a mid-level exception contract, and wish him well. I know that only leaves Williams from the Marcus Camby-Nene deal. So what? If Williams turns into a legit lead point, no one will care.


Sixth, don't worry about the previous regime's bad contracts. Nothing you can do about them now. Don't make the problem worse by trading them for longer, worse contracts coming back that will only get you a round or so in the playoffs. (I know: the Garden makes $1 million every time it opens its doors, so even one round's worth of home games is a big deal.) But there's a bigger picture here. If you can't find takers for Shandon Anderson or Howard Eisley, don't sweat it.


Seventh, deal the guys you can deal for picks instead of players when at all possible. Everyone wanted Layden to get Nick Van Exel for Kurt Thomas and Charlie Ward. Mistake. Not that Nick at Nite isn't still a really talented player. But he's 32. There's no future there. Better to call Denver and try and get one of the Nuggets' future first-round picks from Thomas. There's little downside for the Nuggets, whose timetable to rebuild has been accelerated. Kurt Thomas's deal doesn't expire until after next season, true, but Denver may be more willing to pay for a moderately priced veteran ($5.8 million next season) that can help now instead of using some of that loot on a non-Lottery first-rounder. See if you can pry Melvin Ely or Chris Wilcox from the Clippers, who are looking for a point, for Ward. But, at the least, get a pick.


Eighth, do a Mutombo/Kemp. Buy out Keith Van Horn after this season. You owe him $30 million after this season rain or shine, so sell him on the idea that he'll get all his money up front, and become a free agent in a summer where there's probably not going to be a luxury tax -- and teams will likely be more likely to open their wallets. Also, by becoming a free agent sooner, KVH could get one more decent contract before the Collective Bargaining Agreement expires after '07. Teams are already gearing for that -- look at how many superstars' deals expire after that season. The reason to do it is so he comes off the books after the 2003-04 season, not '04-05. That would put New York under the cap after next season, a place they haven't been in a decade.



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Sounds good.

[PrimeTime21]

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bigeastbumrush said:
David Aldridge's Take...Link. Here. Thoughts??


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let Antonio McDyess go this summer. We all hope Dice can come all the way back from his latest injury, but don't hold the franchise hostage waiting for it. Sweetney and Lampe are the future up front. There is precedent here -- in 1987, the Knicks had to make a decision on a former All-Star forward who was coming off of a serious knee injury. All they knew was the guy was working hard and said he'd be his old self. They decided to pass on Bernard King and he went to Washington. If they had re-signed King for major dollars, he may have sold out the Garden for a couple of years. But they would have never been able to surround Patrick Ewing with enough talent to ultimately reach the Finals in '94.


Do the same thing here. Hope Dice plays his way into a mid-level exception contract, and wish him well. I know that only leaves Williams from the Marcus Camby-Nene deal. So what? If Williams turns into a legit lead point, no one will care.


Sixth, don't worry about the previous regime's bad contracts. Nothing you can do about them now. Don't make the problem worse by trading them for longer, worse contracts coming back that will only get you a round or so in the playoffs. (I know: the Garden makes $1 million every time it opens its doors, so even one round's worth of home games is a big deal.) But there's a bigger picture here. If you can't find takers for Shandon Anderson or Howard Eisley, don't sweat it.


Seventh, deal the guys you can deal for picks instead of players when at all possible. Everyone wanted Layden to get Nick Van Exel for Kurt Thomas and Charlie Ward. Mistake. Not that Nick at Nite isn't still a really talented player. But he's 32. There's no future there. Better to call Denver and try and get one of the Nuggets' future first-round picks from Thomas. There's little downside for the Nuggets, whose timetable to rebuild has been accelerated. Kurt Thomas's deal doesn't expire until after next season, true, but Denver may be more willing to pay for a moderately priced veteran ($5.8 million next season) that can help now instead of using some of that loot on a non-Lottery first-rounder. See if you can pry Melvin Ely or Chris Wilcox from the Clippers, who are looking for a point, for Ward. But, at the least, get a pick.


Eighth, do a Mutombo/Kemp. Buy out Keith Van Horn after this season. You owe him $30 million after this season rain or shine, so sell him on the idea that he'll get all his money up front, and become a free agent in a summer where there's probably not going to be a luxury tax -- and teams will likely be more likely to open their wallets. Also, by becoming a free agent sooner, KVH could get one more decent contract before the Collective Bargaining Agreement expires after '07. Teams are already gearing for that -- look at how many superstars' deals expire after that season. The reason to do it is so he comes off the books after the 2003-04 season, not '04-05. That would put New York under the cap after next season, a place they haven't been in a decade.



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Sounds good.

[PrimeTime21]

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bigeastbumrush said:
David Aldridge's Take...Link. Here. Thoughts??


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let Antonio McDyess go this summer. We all hope Dice can come all the way back from his latest injury, but don't hold the franchise hostage waiting for it. Sweetney and Lampe are the future up front. There is precedent here -- in 1987, the Knicks had to make a decision on a former All-Star forward who was coming off of a serious knee injury. All they knew was the guy was working hard and said he'd be his old self. They decided to pass on Bernard King and he went to Washington. If they had re-signed King for major dollars, he may have sold out the Garden for a couple of years. But they would have never been able to surround Patrick Ewing with enough talent to ultimately reach the Finals in '94.


Do the same thing here. Hope Dice plays his way into a mid-level exception contract, and wish him well. I know that only leaves Williams from the Marcus Camby-Nene deal. So what? If Williams turns into a legit lead point, no one will care.


Sixth, don't worry about the previous regime's bad contracts. Nothing you can do about them now. Don't make the problem worse by trading them for longer, worse contracts coming back that will only get you a round or so in the playoffs. (I know: the Garden makes $1 million every time it opens its doors, so even one round's worth of home games is a big deal.) But there's a bigger picture here. If you can't find takers for Shandon Anderson or Howard Eisley, don't sweat it.


Seventh, deal the guys you can deal for picks instead of players when at all possible. Everyone wanted Layden to get Nick Van Exel for Kurt Thomas and Charlie Ward. Mistake. Not that Nick at Nite isn't still a really talented player. But he's 32. There's no future there. Better to call Denver and try and get one of the Nuggets' future first-round picks from Thomas. There's little downside for the Nuggets, whose timetable to rebuild has been accelerated. Kurt Thomas's deal doesn't expire until after next season, true, but Denver may be more willing to pay for a moderately priced veteran ($5.8 million next season) that can help now instead of using some of that loot on a non-Lottery first-rounder. See if you can pry Melvin Ely or Chris Wilcox from the Clippers, who are looking for a point, for Ward. But, at the least, get a pick.


Eighth, do a Mutombo/Kemp. Buy out Keith Van Horn after this season. You owe him $30 million after this season rain or shine, so sell him on the idea that he'll get all his money up front, and become a free agent in a summer where there's probably not going to be a luxury tax -- and teams will likely be more likely to open their wallets. Also, by becoming a free agent sooner, KVH could get one more decent contract before the Collective Bargaining Agreement expires after '07. Teams are already gearing for that -- look at how many superstars' deals expire after that season. The reason to do it is so he comes off the books after the 2003-04 season, not '04-05. That would put New York under the cap after next season, a place they haven't been in a decade.



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Sounds good.

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And the Knicks have hope -- if they'll take it out of mothballs. They have young kids in Mike Sweetney, and Macjej Lampe, and Frank Williams. That's No. 3 on the list: put the kids on the floor and see what they can do. People will wait for talent to mature if there's a plan.

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I really like that idea. Trade who they can, for young guys, or picks, and then play the young kids. It might make Houston upset if you trade all the talent for picks/potential, but it would only help the team.

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And the Knicks have hope -- if they'll take it out of mothballs. They have young kids in Mike Sweetney, and Macjej Lampe, and Frank Williams. That's No. 3 on the list: put the kids on the floor and see what they can do. People will wait for talent to mature if there's a plan.

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I really like that idea. Trade who they can, for young guys, or picks, and then play the young kids. It might make Houston upset if you trade all the talent for picks/potential, but it would only help the team.

[dieselboy]

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And the Knicks have hope -- if they'll take it out of mothballs. They have young kids in Mike Sweetney, and Macjej Lampe, and Frank Williams. That's No. 3 on the list: put the kids on the floor and see what they can do. People will wait for talent to mature if there's a plan.

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I really like that idea. Trade who they can, for young guys, or picks, and then play the young kids. It might make Houston upset if you trade all the talent for picks/potential, but it would only help the team.