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  • Jukeman
    Showtime
    • Aug 2005
    • 10955

    #196
    Re: How did he make the NBA

    Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
    Must be a bunch of young *** Joe Johnson types playing ball in Philly then.

    Well you did bring up Ryan Hollins and he is in the NBA soooooooo....
    Well I meet him on a Philly playground once..

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    Just saying my comment isnt so far fetched.

    who knows if he makes the league or not. He has the talent, now hard work and dedication will get him there..
    Last edited by Jukeman; 02-27-2013, 05:47 PM.

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    • wwharton
      *ll St*r
      • Aug 2002
      • 26949

      #197
      Re: How did he make the NBA

      Originally posted by Jukeman
      Who said anyone in the NBA?

      I said a game of one on one vs Ryan Hollins.

      BBIQ doesnt have anything to do with a game of one on one let alone hard work...Im not talking about him taking Hollins' spot on the Clippers..


      -Juke
      1) You did... bc Hollins plays in the NBA

      2) It'd be wrong to assume everybody is delusional without more information about people individually. I believe we got enough information for you though, as soon as you said basketball IQ doesn't have anything to do with a game of one on one.

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      • wwharton
        *ll St*r
        • Aug 2002
        • 26949

        #198
        Re: How did he make the NBA

        Originally posted by Jukeman
        Well I meet him on a Philly playground once..

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        Just saying my comment isnt so far fetched.

        who knows if he makes the league or not. He has the talent, now hard work and dedication will get him there..
        LMAO, so bc you met this kid on the court once, you can go to a court in Philly and find a 6'6 guy that can beat an NBA player? At least you're backing down a bit.

        But can't let you off that easy. Here's your quote:

        I can go on a Philly playground and pick a guy that is at least 6'6 (heck, he's probably a future NBA player if he's around 18) and I bet he could beat Ryan in a game of 1 on 1. Hollins is also the same guy who had a meh collegiate career..
        So went from random 6'6 kid (who, is automatically a consideration for the NBA if he's around 18). Do you seriously not realize how crazy this sounds?

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        • Jukeman
          Showtime
          • Aug 2005
          • 10955

          #199
          Re: How did he make the NBA

          Originally posted by wwharton
          LMAO, so bc you met this kid on the court once, you can go to a court in Philly and find a 6'6 guy that can beat an NBA player? At least you're backing down a bit.

          But can't let you off that easy. Here's your quote:



          So went from random 6'6 kid (who, is automatically a consideration for the NBA if he's around 18). Do you seriously not realize how crazy this sounds?
          Never said that neither. Pack mention Joe Johnson and its funny because Rondae has been compare to Joe. Im not even basing my argument on the #1 guy in PA. Just funny that I actually meet a 6'6 Joe Johnson type of player on a Philly playground. Just irony.

          So just because I singled out one player, it means Im talking about every guy in the NBA? isnt that what the word "any" means?

          Im not surprise, guys are infamous for twisting words to try and make a point around here lol.

          BBIQ doesn't have anything to do with a game of one on one...He's not setting screens, he's not communicating. he's not recognizing plays or getting defensive matchup and etc...Unless you are basing that argument that a player with with low BBIQ is jus stupid and doesn't even understand the basics of basketball.
          Last edited by Jukeman; 02-27-2013, 06:00 PM.

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          • VDusen04
            Hall Of Fame
            • Aug 2003
            • 13034

            #200
            Re: How did he make the NBA

            Originally posted by wwharton
            1) You did... bc Hollins plays in the NBA

            2) It'd be wrong to assume everybody is delusional without more information about people individually. I believe we got enough information for you though, as soon as you said basketball IQ doesn't have anything to do with a game of one on one.
            I think he was saying he wasn't referring to any and everyone in the NBA, just Ryan Hollins. I'm not saying I agree with him, just clarifying that bit of miscommunication.

            All that said, I do not think all NBA players are unbeatable all the time against all non-NBA players. I think most people would agree with that point. However, to have a real chance at defeating an NBA player without relying on having the best shooting day of one's life on the same day the NBA opponent plays the worst ball of his life (and worst day of his life, with a broken ankle), the non-NBA guy will probably need to have some real-deal serious skill alongside a real-deal serious body. So in truth, if there's a 6'6'' prep star with NBA potential in Philadelphia, I reckon he could defeat an NBA guy in 1-on-1 some time. That wouldn't mean the prep was more fit for the NBA than his NBA opponent of course, nor would it mean he's a better 1-on-1 player. It's just, 1-on-1 can have surprising results sometimes when players are at least in the same super loose region of ability and skill, as I feel an NBA prospect prep star may be.

            Similarly, I've defeated my little brother in 1-on-1 for as long as he's been alive. For a while, it was no contest. We were on different planets. But as he grew into his sophomore year of high school and beyond, I still felt I was far superior, but his skills had at least entered the same general area code of mine. That meant, he still took countless beatings, but one day he did actually beat me, despite being far below my level (but not on another planet). Logic wise, my brother at that age should have never beaten me. But weird things happened that day. Point being, sometimes, even when the gap is large, fluke outcomes can happen, particularly if a player is only a few notches below a challenger (NBA prospect vs. NBA player) as opposed to NBA player vs. normal ball playing folk.

            Most of us though, just based on probability, I'd say we're comfortably on another planet from NBA guys, if not another solar system.
            Last edited by VDusen04; 02-27-2013, 06:17 PM.

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            • ProfessaPackMan
              Bamma
              • Mar 2008
              • 63852

              #201
              Re: How did he make the NBA

              We went from this originally:

              I can go on a Philly playground and pick a guy that is at least 6'6 (heck, he's probably a future NBA player if he's around 18)
              To now the #1 guy in PA? Which is it Juke? Is it any random 6'6 guy from Philly that can beat Ryan Hollins or is it the #1 HSer in PA that can beat him? Because there is a difference.

              Joe Johnson was just a random name I threw out there. I could've said Nick Young or Tariq Abdul Wahad and my point would've remained the same.

              And who are these people twisting your words around? There's nothing to twist if you don't provide the words or at least provide context to them my man.

              VDusen, I don't disagree with any of that mainly because everything you said has/had be discussed and talked about previously in this thread.
              #RespectTheCulture

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              • VDusen04
                Hall Of Fame
                • Aug 2003
                • 13034

                #202
                Re: How did he make the NBA

                Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
                We went from this originally:


                To now the #1 guy in PA? Which is it Juke? Is it any random 6'6 guy from Philly that can beat Ryan Hollins or is it the #1 HSer in PA that can beat him? Because there is a difference.

                Joe Johnson was just a random name I threw out there. I could've said Nick Young or Tariq Abdul Wahad and my point would've remained the same.

                And who are these people twisting your words around? There's nothing to twist if you don't provide the words or at least provide context to them my man.

                VDusen, I don't disagree with any of that mainly because everything you said has/had be discussed and talked about previously in this thread.
                Yeah, I was just about to clarify that my point was regarding an NBA prospect, not just any old 6'6'' guy on the streets of Philly.

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                • Jukeman
                  Showtime
                  • Aug 2005
                  • 10955

                  #203
                  Re: How did he make the NBA

                  Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
                  We went from this originally:


                  To now the #1 guy in PA? Which is it Juke? Is it any random 6'6 guy from Philly that can beat Ryan Hollins or is it the #1 HSer in PA that can beat him? Because there is a difference.

                  Joe Johnson was just a random name I threw out there. I could've said Nick Young or Tariq Abdul Wahad and my point would've remained the same.

                  And who are these people twisting your words around? There's nothing to twist if you don't provide the words or at least provide context to them my man.

                  VDusen, I don't disagree with any of that mainly because everything you said has/had be discussed and talked about previously in this thread.
                  "I can go on a Philly playground and pick a guy that is at least 6'6 (heck, he's probably a future NBA player if he's around 18)"

                  Exactly.

                  I also clearly said that I am willing to take that bet (as in gamble) because If a guy is that tall and he's on a court in this city, then its more than likely he has game. Most of those guys are either college prospects, college players or are playing overseas from Brazil to Euro.

                  Ya'll acting as if I am talking about some 30 year old scrubs.

                  Anyways, original point is that talent alone isn't why some of these players are in the NBA, it takes hard work and dedication. That is pretty much the answer to the thread topic...

                  Oh and twisting words because I haven't said any thing about "every player in the NBA" which was said in response to my post multiple times.
                  Last edited by Jukeman; 02-27-2013, 07:13 PM.

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                  • wwharton
                    *ll St*r
                    • Aug 2002
                    • 26949

                    #204
                    Re: How did he make the NBA

                    Originally posted by Jukeman
                    Never said that neither. Pack mention Joe Johnson and its funny because Rondae has been compare to Joe. Im not even basing my argument on the #1 guy in PA. Just funny that I actually meet a 6'6 Joe Johnson type of player on a Philly playground. Just irony.

                    So just because I singled out one player, it means Im talking about every guy in the NBA? isnt that what the word "any" means?

                    Im not surprise, guys are infamous for twisting words to try and make a point around here lol.

                    BBIQ doesn't have anything to do with a game of one on one...He's not setting screens, he's not communicating. he's not recognizing plays or getting defensive matchup and etc...Unless you are basing that argument that a player with with low BBIQ is jus stupid and doesn't even understand the basics of basketball.
                    This is all on you, Juke. "Any" means you pick any player... you chose Hollins. No one said "any and every" besides you when you started back tracking. It's not a twist of words. THIS ENTIRE THREAD has been about the lower level players of the NBA so you're the only person in this entire thread to think any comment in here was about every player ("every" a word only you've used).

                    As for BB IQ, you really don't know what you're talking about. Completely ignoring offensive and defensive fundamentals, reading your opponent in either case, taking advantage of your personal strengths from triple threat based on how you're being guarded, etc. All of these things are MORE important in a game of 1 on 1.

                    Originally posted by VDusen04
                    your long post
                    You know I agree with you but you also know this isn't what Juke said, lol.

                    Originally posted by Jukeman
                    "I can go on a Philly playground and pick a guy that is at least 6'6 (heck, he's probably a future NBA player if he's around 18)"

                    Exactly.

                    I also clearly said that I am willing to take that bet (as in gamble) because If a guy is that tall and he's on a court in this city, then its more than likely he has game. Most of those guys are either college prospects, college players or are playing overseas from Brazil to Euro.

                    Ya'll acting as if I am talking about some 30 year old scrubs.

                    Anyways, original point is that talent alone isn't why some of these players are in the NBA, it takes hard work and dedication. That is pretty much the answer to the thread topic...

                    Oh and twisting words because I haven't said any thing about "every player in the NBA" which was said in response to my post multiple times.
                    This is just another crazy thing you said that didn't get touched on bc the other stuff was crazier. You think everyone that plays on the courts in Philly are either HS phenoms, playing college or playing overseas... if they're 6'6". You're delusional. I could cut you some slack if you say this isn't what you mean and explain but all you're doing is trying to show why it's true.

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                    • Jukeman
                      Showtime
                      • Aug 2005
                      • 10955

                      #205
                      Originally posted by wwharton
                      This is all on you, Juke. "Any" means you pick any player... you chose Hollins. No one said "any and every" besides you when you started back tracking. It's not a twist of words. THIS ENTIRE THREAD has been about the lower level players of the NBA so you're the only person in this entire thread to think any comment in here was about every player ("every" a word only you've used).

                      As for BB IQ, you really don't know what you're talking about. Completely ignoring offensive and defensive fundamentals, reading your opponent in either case, taking advantage of your personal strengths from triple threat based on how you're being guarded, etc. All of these things are MORE important in a game of 1 on 1.



                      You know I agree with you but you also know this isn't what Juke said, lol.



                      This is just another crazy thing you said that didn't get touched on bc the other stuff was crazier. You think everyone that plays on the courts in Philly are either HS phenoms, playing college or playing overseas... if they're 6'6". You're delusional. I could cut you some slack if you say this isn't what you mean and explain but all you're doing is trying to show why it's true.
                      Fam I haven't backed tracked on anything. Im not concern what everyone else said in this thread, my comment was about how talent isn't the one and only attribute to why a player is in the league and I used Hollins as a example. I didn't say every low level player or whatever you're trying to imply.

                      If you haven't been to a Philly court then I can't really convince you that a player of that height is more than likely a player playing high level high school ball to playing some level of ball overseas. Guys from all over the US come to Philly during the summer to play in various summer leagues and I am not talking about street ball And1 games. There is not much of that going on here.

                      So unless you personally know the culture of Philadelphia basketball, I don't see how you can even try to question my statement. So it's really no point in going back and forth because you have already made up your mind that I am crazy and delusional.


                      As for BBIQ, I am not even going to go there either, that whole back and forth is really pointless to tell you the truth. All of those things you mentioned are basic basketball fundamentals that you normally see in a game of one on one and like I said, unless you think a player with low BBIQ is just flat out stupid and doesn't understand basic basketball then I don't know what you are arguing.

                      Nonetheless, Ryan Hollins struggle to show any offensive/defensive fundamentals let alone triple threat so I don't really know why you are bringing that up to try to argue anyways.





                      -Juke

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