3/12 - 3/18 Games Discussion Thread

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: 3/12 - 3/18 Games Discussion Thread

Steve Nash is in a deep decline. Doesn't mean he won't have great games here and there. He's still a serviceable point guard without a doubt. He's 39 years old, it's to be expected.

[Kashanova]

Re: 3/12 - 3/18 Games Discussion Thread

Steve Nash is in a deep decline. Doesn't mean he won't have great games here and there. He's still a serviceable point guard without a doubt. He's 39 years old, it's to be expected.

The only thing I've noticed that's in a deep decline are his touches everything else is on a minimal decline from last year.

Also D'antoni had this to say of the Lakers recent Ball Movement

In their 113-102 win over the Sacramento Kings on Sunday, the Los Angeles Lakers had six players in double figures and 28 assists as a team. Antawn Jamison and Metta World Peace scored 27 and 22 points each, while Steve Nash and Steve Blake combined for 20 assists.

All of that transpired without Kobe Bryant, who is out indefinitely due to a severe ankle sprain.

Mike D'Antoni believes the Lakers should not have to be reliant on Bryant to play one-on-one basketball when he returns, because they have proven to be much more balanced playing together and sharing the ball.

"We don't have to be one-player dominant," D'Antoni said. "The ball has to move, and when it does, we're really good."

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: 3/12 - 3/18 Games Discussion Thread

Yeah, I'm sure you do.

He wouldn't make it to the end of the season if he had to carry the team the entire year. His speed has decreased, his lateral burst has decreased, he can't slice through defenses as consistently as we're used to seeing. He's become much more of a jump shooter.

Again, he's 39. It's to be expected. I would not even rank Nash as a top 10 point guard this year.

[skywalkah]

Re: 3/12 - 3/18 Games Discussion Thread

Taj and Hinrichboth game time decision ... not sure which I want back more. Wait. Yes, yes I do.

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: 3/12 - 3/18 Games Discussion Thread

Taj and Hinrichboth game time decision ... not sure which I want back more. Wait. Yes, yes I do.

KG supposedly is too

[Kashanova]

Re: 3/12 - 3/18 Games Discussion Thread

Yeah, I'm sure you do.

He wouldn't make it to the end of the season if he had to carry the team the entire year. His speed has decreased, his lateral burst has decreased, he can't slice through defenses as consistently as we're used to seeing. He's become much more of a jump shooter.

Again, he's 39. It's to be expected. I would not even rank Nash as a top 10 point guard this year.

Him not being able to carry the team is subjective and hypothetical, He probably could. As for him being "much" more of a jump shooter now is peculiar to me since he's taking exactly or pretty close to the same amount of jump shots as he did last year. I'd still rank him in the top 10 but everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

Source on Jump shot info:
http://www.82games.com/1112/11PHO1.HTM Nash in 11/12
http://www.82games.com/1213/12LAL1.HTM Nash in 12/13

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: 3/12 - 3/18 Games Discussion Thread

Well, obviously it's hypothetical. The discussion is hypothetical in nature.

Stats don't show a thing considering the offense is completely different. Any regular viewer of Laker games will tell you that Nash simply can't penetrate like he used to relegating him to a perimeter player mostly.

Again, he's still serviceable and his IQ will carry him through the decline of his physical attributes.

[jeebs9]

Re: 3/12 - 3/18 Games Discussion Thread

Here is a good question... Who do you guys think is the better 39 year old? Steve Nash or Jason Kidd? (I'd go with Kidd)

[skywalkah]

Depending on the team / system I would probably take Nash.

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[ex carrabba fan]

Re: 3/12 - 3/18 Games Discussion Thread

Here is a good question... Who do you guys think is the better 39 year old? Steve Nash or Jason Kidd? (I'd go with Kidd)

If you put both guys on a team and expected him to carry the team, I would go with Nash no doubt. Kidd is pretty much a bench player these days. Nash is close to a top 10 point guard still.

[Kashanova]

Re: 3/12 - 3/18 Games Discussion Thread

Well, obviously it's hypothetical. The discussion is hypothetical in nature.

Stats don't show a thing considering the offense is completely different. Any regular viewer of Laker games will tell you that Nash simply can't penetrate like he used to relegating him to a perimeter player mostly.

Again, he's still serviceable and his IQ will carry him through the decline of his physical attributes.

I've seen every Laker game except for 2.Nash pretty much the same to me as last year except for fewer touches. I don't see how the offense being completely different have to do with the fact that Nash is shooting the same amount of jump shots he did last year.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Well then I'd question your eyes but as you said, everyone has their opinions. The offense isn't structured around Nash. But when things break down and he's looked upon to create shots or opportunities, he hasn't been able to do that with the kind of consistency we're used to seeing. You see it different, obviously since everytime Nash has a decent game you like to gloat about it.

[Kashanova]

Re: 3/12 - 3/18 Games Discussion Thread

Well then I'd question your eyes but as you said, everyone has their opinions. The offense isn't structured around Nash. But when things break down and he's looked upon to create shots or opportunities, he hasn't been able to do that with the kind of consistency we're used to seeing. You see it different, obviously since everytime Nash has a decent game you like to gloat about it.

I'd question your eyes in regard to this then, because he is still average over 50% from the field, something he's been been doing consistently, he is still shooting over 40% from the 3pt line something he has done consistently in his career, He still shoots over 90% something he has done consistently in his career, He still putting up around the same points per game and that's with less touches and he's among the leaders in Assist not around his usual number but with him not having the ball as much. So I'm not really sure what you're referring to when you say he's not creating shots or opportunities with the kind of consistency we're used to seeing..

anyways no need going back and forth you have your position I have mine.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Shooting percentages prove that he still penetrates to the bucket and dices through defenses?

Again, he's more of a perimeter player now. His ability to get into the paint has greatly decreased.

Nash has had more subpar games than good ones. If that's Kobe's fault or anyone else's fault, cool.

[Kashanova]

Re: 3/12 - 3/18 Games Discussion Thread

Shooting percentages prove that he still penetrates to the bucket and dices through defenses?

Again, he's more of a perimeter player now. His ability to get into the paint has greatly decreased.

Nash has had more subpar games than good ones. If that's Kobe's fault or anyone else's fault, cool.

You don't need to to penetrate and dice through defenses to create your own shots and opportunities for others though. I'm not debating him getting to the paint. He obviously doesn't need that to be effective. Since he didn't do it last year either and he was still effective, and he's pretty much playing the same way he did last year minus being the primary ball handler.

again Nash's performance is your opinion, if that's how you feel, Cool.