Dwyane Wade actually better than Kobe ?

[ClutchCity]

Re: Dwyane Wade actually better than Kobe ?

Kobe is the better guy. Flash is great in his own right but even at his peak he was only carrying Miami to a .500 record. Kobe didn't do any better but he was pretty much unstoppable. He also developed a lot more in his game than Wade, evidence of Wade looking like one dimensional guy most of the time while Kobe can still dominate almost nightly.

Defiantly,I think without injuries though, and Wade would have developed a easier way to score then this thread could be pretty good. I still take Wade defensively over Kobe though. The remarkable anticipation while recogonizing the passing lanes is a Jordan like when Jordan was younger. He can give offensive players a hard time 1 on 1 to.

[Kashanova]

Re: Dwyane Wade actually better than Kobe ?

Let's see how wade does at 35 when he has to carry an offense on his back.

why would you have to carry an offense with Pau, Dwight Howard, and Nash on your team though?

[Vni]

Re: Dwyane Wade actually better than Kobe ?

Because they're on the bench, injured.

[JazzMan]

Re: Dwyane Wade actually better than Kobe ?

It's a lot closer than some people think.

Just a disclaimer, I hate both of these guys

Let's look at their stats in their first 8 years of the league:

Year One

Kobe ('96-'97) - 7.6 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 1.6 apg, 42-38-82 shooting percentages.

Not much production here due to a lack of minutes, but his shooting was fairly efficient and he was a solid contributor off the bench.

Wade ('03-'04) - 16.2 ppg, 4 rpg, 4.5 apg, 47-30-75 shooting percentages.

Obviously, Wade had a strong rookie year, as he not only scored efficiently, but his passing and rebounding was solid for a 2 guard. Had he not been in the 2003 draft class, he could have won Rookie of the Year.

Year Two

Kobe ('97-'98) - 15.4 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 2.5 apg, 43-34-79 shooting percentages. All-Star Selection.

Kobe's scoring went up, but his outside shooting and free throw numbers go down. He also made huge improvements in his second year while being the sidekick to Shaquille O'Neal.

Wade ('04-'05) - 24.1 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 6.8 apg, 49-29-76 shooting percentages. All-Star Selection. All-Defense, All-NBA Second Teams.

Wade again had a stronger year than Kobe, as his Field Goal shooting was nearly at 50%. He also made the All-Star game, like Kobe, but was an All-Defense Second Team selection and an All-NBA Second Team Selection.

Year Three

Kobe ('98-'99) - 19.9 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 3.8 apg, 47-27-84 shooting percentages. All-NBA Third Team

Kobe made vast improvements to his overall game, including scoring, rebounding, passing, and defense, as he became one of the better on-ball defenders in the league, though his 3-Point Shooting was incredibly bad (like Wade's). Due to a lockout, there was no All-Star Game.

Wade ('05-'06) - 27.2 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 6.7 apg, 50-17-78 shooting percentages. All-Star Selection. All-NBA Second Team. NBA Finals MVP, NBA Championship.

With an aging Shaq on the team, Wade captured an NBA Championship in just his 3rd year in the league. Though his 3-Point Shooting was even worse than Kobe's, he was just as good of a defender, and had an all-around better game than Kobe in Year Three.

Year Four

Kobe ('99-'00) - 22.5 ppg, 6.3 rpg, 4.9 apg, 47-32-82 shooting percentages. All-Star Selection. All-NBA Second Team and All-Defensive First Team. NBA Championship.

Another steady improvement by Kobe, as his shooting percentages improve along with his overall scoring numbers, rebound numbers, and assist numbers. He wasn't the Finals MVP that Wade was in Year Three, but he was the perfect combo to Shaq in the first of their 3-Peat.

Wade ('06-'07) - 27.4 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 7.5 apg, 49-27-81 shooting percentages. All-Star Selection. All-NBA Third Team

No second championship yet for Wade, as that won't come until his partnership with LeBron James and Chris Bosh, but Wade had yet another solid year, as he improved his shooting numbers, scoring, and assist numbers, though his rebounding dropped off a bit. He was also beginning to get hindered by injuries, as he played in just 51 games this season.

Year Five

Kobe ('00-'01) - 28.5 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 5 apg, 46-31-85 shooting percentages. All-Star Selection. All-NBA and All-Defensive Second Teams. NBA Championship.

Kobe continued to improve his game, as it started to look like he was the one that the Lakers would rather keep for the long run instead of Shaq. He once again made the All-Defensive Second Team as he showed how great he was on defense. Along with Shaq, he captured his second NBA Championship in just 5 years in the NBA.

Wade ('07-'08) - 24.6 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 6.9 apg, 47-29-77 shooting percentages. All-Star Selection. (Injury)

Wade once again battled injuries, and Shaq was shipped out of Miami, and the team finished with the worst record in the league. Despite the injuries, Wade continued to play well

Year Six

Kobe ('01-'02) - 25.5 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 5.5 apg, 47-25-83 shooting percentages. All-Star Selection. All-NBA and All-Defensive First Teams. NBA Championship.

Kobe won the 3rd of his 5 rings in Year Six, as he continued to challenge Shaq as the go-to-guy for the Lakers. He once again made the All-Defensive First Team, as he was one of the best perimeter defenders in the league.

Wade ('08-'09) - 30.2 ppg, 5 rpg, 7.5 apg, 49-32-77 shooting percentages. All-Star Selection. All-NBA First Team, All-Defensive Second Team. Scoring Leader

After two years of being riddled by injuries after his first NBA Championship, Wade came back strong with one of his best years yet. He was the NBA's Scoring Leader, and his assist numbers were at a career-high. He also hoisted up 278 three pointers, while setting a career-high percentage for 3's.

Year Seven

Kobe ('02-'03) - 30 ppg, 6.9 rpg, 5.9 apg, 45-38-84, shooting percentages. All-Star Selection. All-NBA and All-Defensive First Teams

Kobe finally became "the guy" for L.A., which created much tension with teammate O'Neal. Though his numbers were outstanding, he failed to capture a 4th consecutive title.

Wade ('09-'10) - 26.6 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 6.5 apg, 48-30-76 shooting percentages. All-Star Selection. All-NBA First Team, All-Defensive Second Team.

With hardly any help in Miami, Wade led the Heat to a playoff berth, despite his supporting cast being full of young guys and old has-beens. Wade once again had a healthy year, as he began to show that he could last in this league.

Year Eight

Kobe ('03-'04) - 24 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 5.1 apg, 44-33-85 shooting percentages. All-Star Selection. All-NBA and All-Defensive First Teams.

Despite leading a star-studded Lakers team filled with Hall of Famers, Kobe failed to capture a 4th championship. Though the team added Gary Payton, Karl Malone, and had Shaq and Kobe still in the mix, they were beat out by the upstart Detroit Pistons in the Finals.

Wade ('10-'11) - 25.5 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 4.6 apg, 50-31-76 shooting percentages. All-Star Selection. All-NBA Second Team.

Wade teamed up with superstars LeBron James and Chris Bosh in their efforts to try to win a championship together. However, they came up just short as they lost to the Dallas Mavericks in a stellar series. Despite this, Wade played the sidekick role very effectively, as he deferred to the dominating LeBron James.

So, in their first 8 years in the league, we saw Kobe win 3 championships to Wade's 1, though Kobe had multiple Hall of Famers by his side.

Wade would go on to win 2 more championships with LeBron James in the next two years, and Kobe would win 2 more as well.

Obviously, Wade had a bigger impact on the league when he was a rookie than Kobe, but he also may have hit his ceiling first.

Now these are just stats, and there are many, many variables that go into these.

[turty11]

Re: Dwyane Wade actually better than Kobe ?

I think Wades defense is top notch. A lot better than Kobes.

statistically, kobe was a MUCH better defender than kobe.

im not even sure there is a discussion here.

lets not forget wade is completely immature, you dont see kobe going around asking to be called by his # of rings

[Kashanova]

Re: Dwyane Wade actually better than Kobe ?

Because they're on the bench, injured.

Dwight played 76 games, Nash and Pau both played more than half of the season....

[JazzMan]

Re: Dwyane Wade actually better than Kobe ?

statistically, kobe was a MUCH better defender than kobe.

im not even sure there is a discussion here.

lets not forget wade is completely immature, you dont see kobe going around asking to be called by his # of rings

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wait... what?

[soxnut1018]

Re: Dwyane Wade actually better than Kobe ?

statistically, kobe was a MUCH better defender than kobe.

im not even sure there is a discussion here.

lets not forget wade is completely immature, you dont see kobe going around asking to be called by his # of rings

I really don't want to go into this too much, but off the court actions do not favor Kobe.

[buickbeast]

Re: Dwyane Wade actually better than Kobe ?

lets not forget wade is completely immature, you dont see kobe going around asking to be called by his # of rings

Ask the people of Eagle, CO about Kobe being mature...

[jeebs9]

Re: Dwyane Wade actually better than Kobe ?

The only off the court drama Wade was in his recent separation with his ex-wife in "who would have the kids case".

[The 24th Letter]

llets not forget wade is completely immature, you dont see kobe going around asking to be called by his # of rings

Seriously?

The only person that reminds you of his ring count more than Kobe is Shaq

[ojandpizza]

When Wade was in his absolute prime/peak then this argument makes more sense..

But if this post is about their career as a whole, I think it's a little ridiculous.

[RedSceptile]

Re: Dwyane Wade actually better than Kobe ?

Uhhhhh Kobe and maturity are two words that should stay away from each other.

[TajDeni]

Re: Dwyane Wade actually better than Kobe ?

It's a lot closer than some people think.

Just a disclaimer, I hate both of these guys

Let's look at their stats in their first 8 years of the league:

Year One

Kobe ('96-'97) - 7.6 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 1.6 apg, 42-38-82 shooting percentages.

Not much production here due to a lack of minutes, but his shooting was fairly efficient and he was a solid contributor off the bench.

Wade ('03-'04) - 16.2 ppg, 4 rpg, 4.5 apg, 47-30-75 shooting percentages.

Obviously, Wade had a strong rookie year, as he not only scored efficiently, but his passing and rebounding was solid for a 2 guard. Had he not been in the 2003 draft class, he could have won Rookie of the Year.

Year Two

Kobe ('97-'98) - 15.4 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 2.5 apg, 43-34-79 shooting percentages. All-Star Selection.

Kobe's scoring went up, but his outside shooting and free throw numbers go down. He also made huge improvements in his second year while being the sidekick to Shaquille O'Neal.

Wade ('04-'05) - 24.1 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 6.8 apg, 49-29-76 shooting percentages. All-Star Selection. All-Defense, All-NBA Second Teams.

Wade again had a stronger year than Kobe, as his Field Goal shooting was nearly at 50%. He also made the All-Star game, like Kobe, but was an All-Defense Second Team selection and an All-NBA Second Team Selection.

as far as comparing there 1st couple yrs in the league.

- kobe is 17yrs old fresh out of high school kid. while wade spent atleast 2 full season in college developing and maturing. the results being that wade was more prepared physically and emotionally to play with grown men in the nba.

- also even with the 2yrs of college experience, there is absolutely no way wade plays ahead of that version of eddie jones.

- if kobe had spent the exact same amount of time in college developing under coach k as wade did at marquette, he would have had imo a better 1st 2yrs.

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i think that its safe to say that by "most" ppls standards kobe is one of the 10 greatest players ever.

yet not 1 person on this board would even considers wade for a top 10 all-time slot.

kobe is a living legend, who will be remembered forever.

wade even with 3 championships unders his belt as a superstar level player, not so much.

just let that sink in for a second; wade has 3 championships and yet nobody ever talks about him as 1 of the top 10 players ever.

imo, on no day was wade ever as good as kobe.

[Kashanova]

Re: Dwyane Wade actually better than Kobe ?

as far as comparing there 1st couple yrs in the league.

- kobe is 17yrs old fresh out of high school kid. while wade spent atleast 2 full season in college developing and maturing. the results being that wade was more prepared physically and emotionally to play with grown men in the nba.

- also even with the 2yrs of college experience, there is absolutely no way wade plays ahead of that version of eddie jones.

- if kobe had spent the exact same amount of time in college developing under coach k as wade dis at marquette, he would have imo had a better 1st 2yrs imo.

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i think that its safe to say that by most ppls standards kobe is one of the 10 greatest players ever.

yet not 1 person on this board would even considers wade for a top 10 all-time slot.

kobe is a living legend, who will be remembered forever.

wade even with 3 championships unders his belt as a superstar level player, not so much.

just let that sink in for a second; wade has 3 championships and yet nobody ever talks about him as 1 of the top 10 players ever.

imo, on no day was wade ever as good as kobe.

well first off if you want to play the hypothetical game, there's no telling how Kobe would of been in college, for all we know had he gone to duke he could've had a livingston type of injured and never become anything in the NBA. Kobe will be remembered by some, and will also be forgotten just as quick by some as well. Kobe has 5 championships and he's not in my top 10 and I know others who share my opinion. Also there have been days where Wade was better than Kobe especially in games when they've played against each other especially on the Xmas of 2006 where Kobe scored 16 points on 4/17 shooting and Wade scored 40 on 12/20 shooting so on that DAY Wade was better