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  • Skins4Life
    MVP
    • Jul 2002
    • 2286

    #1

    ESPN = *******es

    Let me start of by saying, I like the Wolves, and I do think they are a very good and deep team, but not as deep as Indiana.

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    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/column...amp;id=1768848

    No team deeper than Minnesota


    Twenty days left in the regular season and still no hint of a clear-cut Team To Beat?


    BRILLIANT!


    Yet just because the race for the championship is so wide-open that doesn't mean we can't hop in the lab with the scientists from Guinness and try to fill the void by anointing a "Deepest Team In The League."



    Kevin Garnett has his best shot at a deep playoff run since he arrived in Minnesota.
    Only one problem -- sorting out who's deepest isn't so clear-cut, either.


    Here's our best effort at a breakdown, three weeks before an anything-can-happen playoffs ... a wide-openness that serves as our salvation in a season so ravaged by injury.


    Minnesota narrowly tops the ESPN.com depth chart, placing ahead of Sacramento and Detroit. The Wolves' opponents Friday in Los Angeles -- fresh off their best game since early December in dismantling the perennially deep Kings -- land at No. 4, just ahead of surprising Memphis and those who missed out, namely Indiana and San Antonio.


    1. Minnesota Timberwolves
    There's a reason Kevin Garnett is so confident his team can win multiple rounds in the playoffs, in spite of the Wolves' infamous inability to get past Round 1 in their first seven tries. Reason being: Minnesota has its best, deepest squad since Garnett arrived in 1995. This team might actually be a little too deep, judging by its recent 6-7 malaise, but Minny will take its chances with overkill after so many failed attempts with insufficient assistance flanking KG. These Wolves have two dangerous point guards (Sam Cassell and Troy Hudson), a slew of quality swingmen (Latrell Sprewell, Wally Szczerbiak, defensive specialist Trenton Hassell and long-ball specialist Fred Hoiberg) and a myriad of frontcourt options (Michael Olowokandi, Ervin Johnson, Oliver Miller, Gary Trent and Mark Madsen) to complement Garnett. KG, as a result, somewhat ironically ranks as a stronger MVP candidate than ever before, even with more help than he's ever had. Maybe that's because Garnett earns points with voters for how well he pulls all those diverse talents and personalities together. It remains to be seen, though, whether Wolves coach Flip Saunders can establish a finite playoff rotation, which means excluding folks worthy of playing time. Saunders can't play all those swingmen regularly, and they're all important. Saunders also has to decide whether Olowokandi can function in the Wolves' system, or if it's better to just use the defensive-minded Johnson --and the smaller Madsen and Trent -- as KG's main wingmen. Getting those decisions right, and snuffing out any dissension that comes from those who sit, will determine whether the Wolves can go deep in the playoffs for a change.

    2. Sacramento Kings
    They're not the kings of depth like they used to be, in part because they sacrificed Keon Clark and Jim Jackson in a bid to save a little money after the expensive addition of Brad Miller ... and in part because they never seem to have their full team healthy. Of course, assuming that the Kings are mended by the time the playoffs start, they'll be the league's only team in position to bring two players of All-Star caliber off the bench -- Brad Miller and Bobby Jackson -- to complement one of the best starting fives you'll find: Mike Bibby and Doug Christie in the backcourt, Peja Stojakovic and Chris Webber in the frontcourt and Vlade Divac at center. What's missing? These Kings only go seven deep with players who have Rick Adelman's full confidence; Anthony Peeler, Tony Massenburg and promising rookie Darius Songaila are Adelman's other options. Of greater concern, mind you, is the serious decline in Sacramento's defense since last season. Clark and Jim Jackson were handy defenders, but the holdovers should be doing much better than they are -- 26th in defensive field-goal percentage (.454) and 26th again in points-per-game allowed (97.7). Unless the Kings re-establish some defensive legitimacy, they're going to be heartbroken in the spring once more.

    3. Detroit Pistons
    Consecutive losses in New Orleans and San Antonio have temporarily hushed those rushing to label Detroit as the new Team To Beat in the East, and the Pacers and Nets weren't about to concede that title even before the Pistons' eight-game win streak was replaced by a losing streak. Yet there's no question that the Pistons have the East's deepest team, for no one else in the Leastern Conference has a West-sized front line. The tag team of Rasheed Wallace and Ben Wallace, with 7-footers Mehmet Okur and Elden Campbell coming off the bench, should make the Pistons a viable opponent for the West champions ... assuming Detroit can get to the Finals. Which probably depends more on the play of Detroit's guards -- Chauncey Billups and Rip Hamilton -- and swingman Tayshaun Prince. Those three have to score consistently in the postseason for Detroit to overcome its offensive shortcomings. It also won't hurt if Larry Brown can get an occasional bonus from Corliss Williamson and reserve guards Mike James and Lindsey Hunter. The Pistons are at their best when Brown can go 10 deep and instruct his guys to wear the other team out with constant defensive pressure.

    4. Los Angeles Lakers
    Compared to last season's crew, when the third-best Laker in the crushing Game 6 elimination loss at home to San Antonio was Slava Medvedenko, this club is reminiscent of the glory-days Lakers that had the likes of Michael Cooper and Bob McAdoo (and later Mychal Thompson) in reserve. Granted, today's Lakers really aren't that deep, but the Zen Men consist of four future Hall of Famers and a tangible supporting cast. Rick Fox, Derek Fisher, Devean George and Bryon Russell all figure to have their moments in the playoffs. And depending on how much Phil Jackson is willing to play his kiddies when it matters most, there are a few more potential contributors from the younger set: Kareem Rush, Luke Walton and, yes, Medvedenko. Alas, the focus inevitably shifts back to the Four Cornerstones: Shaquille O'Neal, Kobe Bryant, Gary Payton and Karl Malone. But if the living legends can bring consistent energy, get out in transition and play championship defense from the start of the postseason -- and get a little help -- the Lakers can certainly reclaim their old Team To Beat status.

    5. Memphis Grizzlies
    The Grizz is a tough team to grade because Hubie Brown has no certifiable star in his rotation. But Brown does have a legit 10-man rotation (an 11-man rotation at times) that has utterly transformed the fortunes of a franchise that never won more than 23 games in a single season before he got there. Memphis has only one player averaging more than 30 minutes a game, and Pau Gasol only averages 32.3. Five Grizzlies, however, score in double figures -- Gasol, James Posey, Bonzi Wells, Mike Miller and Jason Williams -- and there are also quality handymen at Brown's disposal in Shane Battier and Bo Outlaw. The Grizzlies, as a result, are on pace to win 52 games and make one of the established West powers work hard to reach the second round of the playoffs. Battier admitted to ESPN.com earlier in the season that the platoon system isn't loved by all in the Grizzlies' locker room -- "Depends on who you ask," Battier quipped -- but the Duke alumnus also contends that "the people on our team realize that we're not good enough to do it individually." Because, as Battier concedes, Memphis lacks "that one guy, an equalizer like Tim Duncan or Kevin Garnett." The depth, then, is the Grizzlies' lifeline, and chances are it'll also be valuable in the summertime. That's when the man who assembled it all -- Jerry West -- sets about trading two or three pieces for that certifiable star.

    Why they missed out
    Rick Carlisle is the East's leading Coach of the Year candidate because the Indiana Pacers are simply not as deep as they're reputed to be. Indy is smaller than it was last season without Brad Miller, gets by with three pedestrian point guards (Jamaal Tinsley, Kenny Anderson and Anthony Johnson) and has received virtually nothing from two players Jermaine O'Neal expected to be key contributors: Jonathan Bender and Scot Pollard. It's only Jermaine's dominance, Ron Artest's maturation and the solid individual defense Carlisle gets from Artest, O'Neal and Al Harrington that overcomes those deficiencies. Those things and Carlisle's coaching, that is. ...


    The San Antonio Spurs will probably go at least nine deep in the playoffs, and it's a rotation that can offer beef (Rasho Nesterovic and Malik Rose), championship know-how (Robert Horry) and serious variety at the swing positions (Manu Ginobili, Hedo Turkoglu and Bruce Bowen). But let's face it: The whole scheme works only if the otherworldly Tim Duncan is healthy enough to trigger everything. If Duncan misses any substantial time in the playoffs because of his knee problems, count on this group looking rather ordinary, with Tony Parker -- not yet a 15-point scorer in this league -- forced to carry the team then. ...


    Depth at one end isn't enough to get you in the top five, or even the top seven, which is why the Dallas Mavericks didn't qualify. The Mavericks have considerable offensive firepower, as ever, but their two best defenders are rookies Josh Howard and Marquis Daniels. Which isn't a promising reality for Dallas' playoff hopes. ... The New Orleans Hornets, meanwhile, miss out because their depth strikes us as wasted depth. Even with Jamal Mashburn limited by injury to 19 games, and even with Baron Davis hobbling now, the Hornets still must be classified as underachievers given their size (Jamaal Magloire, P.J. Brown and Tractor Traylor) and their many options at guard (David Wesley and Darrell Armstrong) and the swing spots (Stacey Augmon, George Lynch and Steve Smith).


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    Funny how most NBA coaches comment about how deep the Pacers bench is. But their NBA coches......ESPN has to know more than they do
  • Slip
    MVP
    • Oct 2002
    • 1526

    #2
    Re: ESPN = *******es

    Minnesota is easily deeper than Indiana. First of all their starting five is better, and Hudson coming off the bench for Minnesota might very well be starting caliber for Indiana. Hudson and Szcerbiak(?) coming off the bench is huge on the offensive end, both players being great shooters.

    Not taking away from Indiana, who I do really like, but Minnesota is deeper.

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    • Slip
      MVP
      • Oct 2002
      • 1526

      #3
      Re: ESPN = *******es

      Minnesota is easily deeper than Indiana. First of all their starting five is better, and Hudson coming off the bench for Minnesota might very well be starting caliber for Indiana. Hudson and Szcerbiak(?) coming off the bench is huge on the offensive end, both players being great shooters.

      Not taking away from Indiana, who I do really like, but Minnesota is deeper.

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      • Slip
        MVP
        • Oct 2002
        • 1526

        #4
        Re: ESPN = *******es

        Minnesota is easily deeper than Indiana. First of all their starting five is better, and Hudson coming off the bench for Minnesota might very well be starting caliber for Indiana. Hudson and Szcerbiak(?) coming off the bench is huge on the offensive end, both players being great shooters.

        Not taking away from Indiana, who I do really like, but Minnesota is deeper.

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        • Skins4Life
          MVP
          • Jul 2002
          • 2286

          #5
          Re: ESPN = *******es

          I dont really mind that, as I do honestly beleive the Wolves are a better team. But they arent that much deeper, that Indiana cant even be metioned in the article

          With that said, The Pacers starting 5 isnt bad in itself, with the only weak point being Tinsley, who can be inconsistent, but is great at other times, and I guess you could consider reggie a weak point, but he still hits the clutch shots when needed

          and Harrington could start on most any other NBA team.

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          • Skins4Life
            MVP
            • Jul 2002
            • 2286

            #6
            Re: ESPN = *******es

            I dont really mind that, as I do honestly beleive the Wolves are a better team. But they arent that much deeper, that Indiana cant even be metioned in the article

            With that said, The Pacers starting 5 isnt bad in itself, with the only weak point being Tinsley, who can be inconsistent, but is great at other times, and I guess you could consider reggie a weak point, but he still hits the clutch shots when needed

            and Harrington could start on most any other NBA team.

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            • Skins4Life
              MVP
              • Jul 2002
              • 2286

              #7
              Re: ESPN = *******es

              I dont really mind that, as I do honestly beleive the Wolves are a better team. But they arent that much deeper, that Indiana cant even be metioned in the article

              With that said, The Pacers starting 5 isnt bad in itself, with the only weak point being Tinsley, who can be inconsistent, but is great at other times, and I guess you could consider reggie a weak point, but he still hits the clutch shots when needed

              and Harrington could start on most any other NBA team.

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              • Dynasty4Kobe
                MVP
                • Apr 2003
                • 2769

                #8
                Re: ESPN = *******es

                I don't know. Minnesota is really inconsistent behind Garnett, Sprewell, and Cassell. If one of those three goes down to injury, foul trouble, etc, then they would be in trouble.

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                • Dynasty4Kobe
                  MVP
                  • Apr 2003
                  • 2769

                  #9
                  Re: ESPN = *******es

                  I don't know. Minnesota is really inconsistent behind Garnett, Sprewell, and Cassell. If one of those three goes down to injury, foul trouble, etc, then they would be in trouble.

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                  • Dynasty4Kobe
                    MVP
                    • Apr 2003
                    • 2769

                    #10
                    Re: ESPN = *******es

                    I don't know. Minnesota is really inconsistent behind Garnett, Sprewell, and Cassell. If one of those three goes down to injury, foul trouble, etc, then they would be in trouble.

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                    • timid
                      Banned
                      • Mar 2003
                      • 1615

                      #11
                      Re: ESPN = *******es

                      lol @ this article. I can barely take it seriously?

                      He says Indiana hasnt gotten anything from Bender and Pollard but he goes on to mention Olowakandi, Oliver Miller, Troy Hudson, etc... Just exactly, what has Minnesota gotten from them this year? Olowakandi's been hurt all year.

                      Pacers bench = Anthony Johnson, Scott Pollard, Fred Jones, Austin Croshere, Al Harrington, Jonathan Bender, Kenny Anderson.

                      Keep in mind that when Bender has been healthy this year, he has been absolutely dominant when he comes in the game. Ends up with like 15-16 points and 2-3 blocks in limited minutes.

                      The Pacers go 13 deep. This article is bullsh*t, lol.

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                      • timid
                        Banned
                        • Mar 2003
                        • 1615

                        #12
                        Re: ESPN = *******es

                        lol @ this article. I can barely take it seriously?

                        He says Indiana hasnt gotten anything from Bender and Pollard but he goes on to mention Olowakandi, Oliver Miller, Troy Hudson, etc... Just exactly, what has Minnesota gotten from them this year? Olowakandi's been hurt all year.

                        Pacers bench = Anthony Johnson, Scott Pollard, Fred Jones, Austin Croshere, Al Harrington, Jonathan Bender, Kenny Anderson.

                        Keep in mind that when Bender has been healthy this year, he has been absolutely dominant when he comes in the game. Ends up with like 15-16 points and 2-3 blocks in limited minutes.

                        The Pacers go 13 deep. This article is bullsh*t, lol.

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                        • timid
                          Banned
                          • Mar 2003
                          • 1615

                          #13
                          Re: ESPN = *******es

                          lol @ this article. I can barely take it seriously?

                          He says Indiana hasnt gotten anything from Bender and Pollard but he goes on to mention Olowakandi, Oliver Miller, Troy Hudson, etc... Just exactly, what has Minnesota gotten from them this year? Olowakandi's been hurt all year.

                          Pacers bench = Anthony Johnson, Scott Pollard, Fred Jones, Austin Croshere, Al Harrington, Jonathan Bender, Kenny Anderson.

                          Keep in mind that when Bender has been healthy this year, he has been absolutely dominant when he comes in the game. Ends up with like 15-16 points and 2-3 blocks in limited minutes.

                          The Pacers go 13 deep. This article is bullsh*t, lol.

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                          • LHayes37
                            Banned
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 1311

                            #14
                            Re: ESPN = *******es

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                            timid said:
                            lol @ this article. I can barely take it seriously?

                            He says Indiana hasnt gotten anything from Bender and Pollard but he goes on to mention Olowakandi, Oliver Miller, Troy Hudson, etc... Just exactly, what has Minnesota gotten from them this year? Olowakandi's been hurt all year.

                            Pacers bench = Anthony Johnson, Scott Pollard, Fred Jones, Austin Croshere, Al Harrington, Jonathan Bender, Kenny Anderson.

                            Keep in mind that when Bender has been healthy this year, he has been absolutely dominant when he comes in the game. Ends up with like 15-16 points and 2-3 blocks in limited minutes.

                            The Pacers go 13 deep. This article is bullsh*t, lol.

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                            The Kings can't roll "13" out there, and they have arguably the deepest bench in the league.

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                            • LHayes37
                              Banned
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 1311

                              #15
                              Re: ESPN = *******es

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                              timid said:
                              lol @ this article. I can barely take it seriously?

                              He says Indiana hasnt gotten anything from Bender and Pollard but he goes on to mention Olowakandi, Oliver Miller, Troy Hudson, etc... Just exactly, what has Minnesota gotten from them this year? Olowakandi's been hurt all year.

                              Pacers bench = Anthony Johnson, Scott Pollard, Fred Jones, Austin Croshere, Al Harrington, Jonathan Bender, Kenny Anderson.

                              Keep in mind that when Bender has been healthy this year, he has been absolutely dominant when he comes in the game. Ends up with like 15-16 points and 2-3 blocks in limited minutes.

                              The Pacers go 13 deep. This article is bullsh*t, lol.

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                              The Kings can't roll "13" out there, and they have arguably the deepest bench in the league.

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