12/26 - 12/31 Games Discussion Thread

[turty11]

Re: 12/26 - 12/31 Games Discussion Thread

imo blake is too soft

DJ was starting to develop a reasonable post game early last year but that got shut down by week 4....

reddick i believe is putting up his worst career shooting #'s

why is dudley even playing?? oh right because....

that bench is horrible besides JC

oh, and doc rivers is not the great coach everyone made him out to be.

[SteelersFreak]

Re: 12/26 - 12/31 Games Discussion Thread

Definitely not the same team as last year, they're better than last year on paper. With Reddick or not. As you said, Blake and Jordan have improved and they got Collison and Dudley to replace Bledsoe and Butler. They certainly aren't worse than last year.

As far as the offense goes, it looks pretty darn similar to the past two years. Iso Crawford, CP3 pick and roll, lob city, etc. etc. Defensively, looks pretty similar. The Clippers overall aren't any more "scary" than they were last season.

Paul is depended upon just as much as he was the past two years. He's working just as hard. Playing two more minutes than he was last year. A significantly higher usage rate than last year. Attempting two more shots per game.

The fact is he is relied upon the same this year, in fact more so, than he has been under Del Negro.

I think part of the issue is that Bledsoe and Butler were better than Collison and Dudley. Bledsoe is a far better player than Collison and I'll take hobbled old Butler on that team over an aging, seemingly completely out-of-place and different player than he was in Phoenix Jared Dudley. Redick and the improvement of Blake and DJ aren't enough to overcome the decline of the bench and quality of depth so they're about the same as they were last year so far.

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: 12/26 - 12/31 Games Discussion Thread

Not going to judge Rivers based on 28 games with a completely new team and new personnel. I'll give him at least a year or 2 before coming to a conclusion on the type of job he's doing there.

Bench is something that can fixed easily on the fly though.

[SteelersFreak]

Re: 12/26 - 12/31 Games Discussion Thread

Not going to judge Rivers based on 28 games with a completely new team and new personnel. I'll give him at least a year or 2 before coming to a conclusion on the type of job he's doing there.

Bench is something that can fixed easily on the fly though.

Absolutely about the bench. The problem with Collison and Dudley could be quickly resolved by getting a backup big that can do more than Ryan ****ing Hollins.

[turty11]

Re: 12/26 - 12/31 Games Discussion Thread

young wants out of philly, maybe the clips should go after him...would be a PERFECT fit with CP3..shoot, id start him at the 3 over jared dudsnothing

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: 12/26 - 12/31 Games Discussion Thread

I think part of the issue is that Bledsoe and Butler were better than Collison and Dudley. Bledsoe is a far better player than Collison and I'll take hobbled old Butler on that team over an aging, seemingly completely out-of-place and different player than he was in Phoenix Jared Dudley. Redick and the improvement of Blake and DJ aren't enough to overcome the decline of the bench and quality of depth so they're about the same as they were last year so far.

Let's not over exaggerate though. It's fair to say Bledsoe is a better player than Collison but the Clippers still have a formidable and deep roster relative to the rest of the league. So let's not make it out to be anything less. The Clippers have some of the best overall talent in the league and are not any worse than they were in he Del Negro era.

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: 12/26 - 12/31 Games Discussion Thread

As someone that had to sit through Vinny coaching, I can tell you he's not just a scapegoat and the players certainly didn't deserve more blame than him. This is the same dude that couldn't make any use of Luol Deng and couldn't understand why he needed to actually have Derrick Rose on the floor in the last seconds of close games instead of sitting on the bench.

Why exactly wouldn't the players deserve more blame? Again, oversimplification to scapegoat. Making excuses for the players: Blake not having any semblance of a back to the basket game, Jordan playing like a soft kitty cat, injuries (Paul and Griffin were hurt both years they made the playoffs).. had much more to do with their failures.

If you're not going to agree that the players deserved more blame, I'd hope you would think they at least deserve equal blame. Which if you look at the boards from the past two years you would know that everyone blamed Del Negro much more than the players themselves.

[SteelersFreak]

Re: 12/26 - 12/31 Games Discussion Thread

Let's not over exaggerate though. It's fair to say Bledsoe is a better player than Collison but the Clippers still have a formidable and deep roster relative to the rest of the league. So let's not make it out to be anything less. The Clippers have some of the best overall talent in the league and are not any worse than they were in he Del Negro era.

Of course. I'm not using the average NBA team as a reference point here, just comparing last year's depth with this year's and I think it's actually gotten a bit worse in terms of quality. Luckily for the Clippers Blake and DeAndre have improved, CP3 is still CP3 and they're playing well without their primary guy to stretch the floor with in Redick.

[turty11]

Re: 12/26 - 12/31 Games Discussion Thread

meh, the clippers bench is deep but not any good.

DC and JC are the only actual players i'd want getting minutes.

barnes sure, he gets himself ejected and plays tough, but hes not very good

jackson is...well worse version of barnes

jamison is just ancient

ryan hollins.....i dont get why he even has a job

bullock needs more freaking minutes (this is my problem with doc, he HATES playing rookies)

willie green should be starting instead of JC despite not being that good


IMO clips need to offer up blake and picks for melo, and maybe shump

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: 12/26 - 12/31 Games Discussion Thread

The Clippers bench isn't any good? Compared to the rest of the league? They stack up just fine when you compare the entire league. They have no excuses and their depth and roster are the last things anyone should point to to blame any potential failures.

[The 24th Letter]

12/26 - 12/31 Games Discussion Thread

SteelersFreak, how bout them Spurs?



Always fun beating Dallas....really good game though, nice come back there at the end..

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: 12/26 - 12/31 Games Discussion Thread

IMO clips need to offer up blake and picks for melo, and maybe shump

No they do not.

And if any team was smart, they wouldn't offer anything for Melo.

[ojandpizza]

Re: 12/26 - 12/31 Games Discussion Thread

I think JJ is fine as a starting guard or 6th man. He handles the ball well, and has greatly improved in his play making and defense since his rookie year... I think they should move some of their bench depth at the SF position, maybe even Crawford who should have value, and snag a starting SF who can play defense and create off the dribble... Too many stand still shooters right now.

[ojandpizza]

Re: 12/26 - 12/31 Games Discussion Thread

No they do not.

And if any team was smart, they wouldn't offer anything for Melo.

Melo would probably negate everything good about Chris Paul's playmaking.

[J_Posse]

Re: 12/26 - 12/31 Games Discussion Thread

No they do not.

And if any team was smart, they wouldn't offer anything for Melo.

Totally agree. Griffin still has room for growth and development, while Anthony is what he'll always be. Granted they are both high - level talents, but I just think it'll be more difficult to win with an inefficient, ball-dominant wing then an athletic, versatile big man. They need a third wheel in Los Angeles and for the Griffin - Jordan combo to continue to improve.

If they ever put it altogether they have all the tools to take down Oklahoma City and Miami, IMHO.

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