2014 Off-Season Thread

[Vni]

Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

Lol my bad. Vine hurts my reading skills.

[ojandpizza]

Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

You really do not like Bosh, do you man? Lol

I think he's a perfect fit for them he's just far too underutilized for what they pay him. He's getting older and what made him so great, his ability to move defensively, greatly slipped last season and it showed. Not only as a team stat, but it effected the players individually as well. LeBron, Wade, Mario they all had their worst defensives seasons in the big 3 era.

And if they just want him spotting up offensively why not get the same in Frye for a 4th of the price tag. Grab another, like Patterson who can provide a similar role and actually rebound.

If the original rumor was true, and he did indeed drop to 11 mil, that's hitting a gold mine. But if they can't add anything to the team and he and Wade continually regress I don't see a point in overpaying.


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[ProfessaPackMan]

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I think he's a perfect fit for them he's just far too underutilized for what they pay him. He's getting older and what made him so great, his ability to move defensively, greatly slipped last season and it showed. Not only as a team stat, but it effected the players individually as well. LeBron, Wade, Mario they all had their worst defensives seasons in the big 3 era.

And if they just want him spotting up offensively why not get the same in Frye for a 4th of the price tag. Grab another, like Patterson who can provide a similar role and actually rebound.

If the original rumor was true, and he did indeed drop to 11 mil, that's hitting a gold mine. But if they can't add anything to the team and he and Wade continually regress I don't see a point in overpaying.


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Is that a direct correlation to Bosh being out there? Regarding Wade, James and Mario supposedly slipping defensively and having their worst defensive seasons since they been there?

And let's be real, going from Chris Bosh to Channing Frye is a nice little dropoff at the 4/5 spot, same with Patrick Patterson.

[CavsBasketballFan]

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Howard didn't force himself anywhere, he doesn't have a say as long as he's under contract. Smith logged more minutes at C then he did SF, and having Drummond doesn't mean you drop a 15-10 22 year old guy.


Affalo didn't score as much as Waiters until he was 28, and even then he was only 2 points over. Beal had more protection then Waiters. Waiters blows Thomas, Meeks, Bradley, Young, Smith out of the water in value and potential and its not even close.


but keep hating on Waiters if you must. its incredibly laughable to put half those guys in the same sentence.

Howard forced himself out, idk how that's comparable.. Josh Smith is a PF/SF, Monroe is only expendable because Drummond is a stud.

Big men are the most overpaid players in the league for their production man. Roy, JaVale, Sanders, Asik, there is a reason teams over pay for them, it's easier to find a guy who can score than it is be a serviceable injury free big man.

Dragic, Thomas, Martin, Ellis, Crawford, Young, Klay, Afflalo, Beal, Wes, Hayward, Green, Waiters, Meeks, Johnson, Bradley, Smith.. All those guys have scoring comparable to and some better than Waiters.

It's just easy to take a talented player, give him more shots and let him score.


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[ojandpizza]

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^^ it's not feasible I know, breaking up chemistry could hurt more than the benefit of adding more talent, which is why I don't think Miami makes more than a couple moves.. I'm just saying on paper it looks better, smarter, and if everything happened to click it could open the championship window longer.


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[ojandpizza]

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Is that a direct correlation to Bosh being out there? Regarding Wade, James and Mario supposedly slipping defensively and having their worst defensive seasons since they been there?

And let's be real, going from Chris Bosh to Channing Frye is a nice little dropoff at the 4/5 spot, same with Patrick Patterson.

Just swapping Bosh for one of them is a massive drop off. But if it adds a rebounder/rim protector, which they don't have, and brings Lowry to PG, then I'm not sure how much it matters if their is a drop off at 4..

They've been starting Haslem, Battier, Lewis, Joel the past few years. It can't hurt them too much to have Frye, Patterson, or even stick small ball and sign Marion or something.

Idk it's nothing that would happen, I just like rambling about it lol.


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[CavsBasketballFan]

Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

I think its a bad move giving Hayward big money but he is only 24 and put up 16/5/5 as the top option this year.






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Cavs weighing wisdom of big offer sheet to Gordon Hayward, per
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@AlexKennedyNBA: Explains the Cavs strong interest in Trevor Ariza They view Wiggins as a SG, & want Ariza to slide in and start at SF

. Sort'a DNA David Blatt LOVES.

[ojandpizza]

2014 Off-Season Thread

Howard didn't force himself anywhere, he doesn't have a say as long as he's under contract. Smith logged more minutes at C then he did SF, and having Drummond doesn't mean you drop a 15-10 22 year old guy.


Affalo didn't score as much as Waiters until he was 28, and even then he was only 2 points over. Beal had more protection then Waiters. Waiters blows Thomas, Meeks, Bradley, Young, Smith out of the water in value and potential and its not even close.


but keep hating on Waiters if you must. its incredibly laughable to put half those guys in the same sentence.

I'm not hating on Waiters at all, or comparing any of those guys to him. You're missing the entire point of my post, all I'm saying is it's very EASY to find perimeter scoring. All those guys score around the same volume as Waiters..

I didn't even include guys who could score more if given a bigger role, Danny Green, Lance, Manu, etc.. The guys who already score better than him, Harden, Wade, DeRozan.. The combo PG/SG and SG/SF guys who can put up points, Jackson, Reke, Teague, Knight, Mayo, etc.. Or the big scoring forwards, LeBron, Melo, Durant, PG, Parsons, Batum, Deng, Kawhi, etc.


Every one of them, with addition to who I mentioned can give 15-20 points from the perimeter. It's just vastly easy to replace..

If you think a team is going to trade a starting center for Waiters then you give your opinions rather than ask ours then hate on them lol.


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[ojandpizza]

Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

Howard didn't force himself anywhere, he doesn't have a say as long as he's under contract. Smith logged more minutes at C then he did SF, and having Drummond doesn't mean you drop a 15-10 22 year old guy.
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Howard didn't force himself out of Orlando!? HAHA ok man.

You do if Monroe is commanding the max??

Smith had never spent more time at center than he has at SF or PF.




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[CavsBasketballFan]

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It might be "Easy" to find scoring, that doesn't mean you turn away a young scorer who's one of the best in the league for his position at scoring. All those guys have less upside then Waiters, Waiters has only 1 full year as a starter since HS, and he's close to a 20 PPG player. and you can play that game with waiters as well, what if he was the #1 option instead of 2/3 (3 when AV is healthy) , and what happens if Waiters has other superstars to take the defensive focus away from him like those guys do? if it were so easy to do then more then 10 guys either PG or SG would do it, yet Wade was only an 18 PPG player this year and that's playing with LeBron and Bosh and facing a teams 3rd best defender.
your very clearly hating on waiters, you are literally making arguments that everyone else can improve in some way or in other situations but wont admit it for Waiters. I have given my opinion, multiple times, you just wont admit to being wrong

I'm not hating on Waiters at all, or comparing any of those guys too I'm. You're missing the entire point of my post, all I'm saying is it's very EASY to find perimeter scoring. All those guys score around the same volume as Waiters..

I didn't even include guys who could score more if given a bigger role, Danny Green, Lance, Manu, etc.. The guys who already score better than him, Harden, Wade, DeRozan.. The combo PG/SG and SG/SF guys who can put up points, Jackson, Reke, Teague, Knight, Mayo, etc.. Or the big scoring forwards, LeBron, Melo, Durant, PG, Parsons, Batum, Deng, Kawhi, etc.


Everyone one of them, with addition to who I mentioned can give 15-20 points from the perimeter. It's just vastly easy to replace..

If you think a team is going to trade a starting center for Waiters then you give your opinions rather than ask ours then hate on them lol.


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[CavsBasketballFan]

Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

No he didn't, that's a fact. and Monroe isn't commanding the max, Smith logged more minutes at C then he did at SF. your not very intelligent are you? Im done with this troll, come back when you have a pair to admit your 100% wrong

Howard didn't force himself out of Orlando!? HAHA ok man.

You do if Monroe is commanding the max??

Smith had never spent more time at center than he has at SF or PF.




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[ojandpizza]

Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

I'm not hating on Waiters at all, or saying he doesn't have upside or saying any of those guys are as good as or better than him? Lol

I just said I doubt a team is going to trade a starting center for him, when perimeter scoring comes so easy.

I gave two pretty good options in Sanders and Pekovic, apparently you hated them, so give us a better one?


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[ojandpizza]

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No he didn't, that's a fact. and Monroe isn't commanding the max, Smith logged more minutes at C then he did at SF. your not very intelligent are you? Im done with this troll, come back when you have a pair to admit your 100% wrong

LOL, I just post a chart showing that Smith has never in his career spent more time at center. Did you not see it or something? lol


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[Rockie_Fresh88]

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I don't think he's saying those guys are better than waiters . It's much harder to replace quality rim protection than a scoring guard.

[RocketTMac1]

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Why no one is forcing the Rockets hand with Parsons right now is beyond me.