World Cup of Basketball in Spain

[jeebs9]

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Whats's Dragic talking about?

It's the tanking of the Australian team. So they don't have to face USA. Which would guarantee they will have to face USA in the semi final instead of the quarter final. And would be up for a sliver.

[Hassan Darkside]

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Rudy Gay slid to PF occasionally with Memphis but it wasn't all that often. It was mostly earlier in his career when they had nothing else to rely on, he wasn't much different that Hakim Warrick playing PF for example. That and they desperately relied on his scoring at that point in time.

Also I don't know how to respond to the "no avail". He was a very good all around player in Memphis, at the time I think the bloated contract was actually justifiable.

It wasn't until Marc developed and they added Zebo that he began to look "bad" so to speak. Memphis decided to build their offense from the post out, thus putting Gay in too many spot up shooting and late clock situations.. We all know he isn't a good catch and shoot 3 point guy, so he was somewhat hindered and his efficiency took a hit.

Which all that made his trade justifiable. Idk how good or not he was in Toronto, or how often he slid to power forward, but he became a very good wing threat again once he landed with the Kings.

Not to really say I believe Gay should just move to power forward, but as a SF/PF he had lots of success in the past. He probably isn't going to be able to defend Davis, Aldridge, etc.. But against teams that use forwards closer to his size I think he would be fine, while providing a mismatch at the other end.


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Rudy's problem is he's a ball dominant scorer, do you really want to pair him with DeMacus Cousins who also needs the ball to score? I can't really think of too many scenarios where teams who pair a 4 and 5 who both need the ball are effective besides Memphis because their interior passing is so good.

The only other semi-successful comparisons I can think to moving a ball dominant 3 to the 4 is Melo and LeBron. Melo only really having success because he could defend most 4s (honestly better than 3s) and they paired him with Tyson Chandler or Kenyon Martin and the other 3 players moved the ball and could space the court. There also aren't very many legit bigs in the East. Kings don't have the roster make up to make it work.

[jeebs9]

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Rudy's problem is he's a ball dominant scorer, do you really want to pair him with DeMacus Cousins who also needs the ball to score? I can't really think of too many scenarios where teams who pair a 4 and 5 who both need the ball are effective besides Memphis because their interior passing is so good.

The only other semi-successful comparisons I can think to moving a ball dominant 3 to the 4 is Melo and LeBron. Melo only really having success because he could defend most 4s (honestly better than 3s) and they paired him with Tyson Chandler or Kenyon Martin and the other 3 players moved the ball and could space the court. There also aren't very many legit bigs in the East. Kings don't have the roster make up to make it work.

I don't know... I believe the move would open up spacing for the kings.

Also can't hurt to try it out.

[ojandpizza]

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Rudy's problem is he's a ball dominant scorer, do you really want to pair him with DeMacus Cousins who also needs the ball to score? I can't really think of too many scenarios where teams who pair a 4 and 5 who both need the ball are effective besides Memphis because their interior passing is so good.



The only other semi-successful comparisons I can think to moving a ball dominant 3 to the 4 is Melo and LeBron. Melo only really having success because he could defend most 4s (honestly better than 3s) and they paired him with Tyson Chandler or Kenyon Martin and the other 3 players moved the ball and could space the court. There also aren't very many legit bigs in the East. Kings don't have the roster make up to make it work.

I get what you're saying, but I think the purpose would be more so to give spacing than to expect him to post like Melo/LeBron.. I think it would be more like how Houston uses Terrence Jones, Tobias Harris in Orlando, Marion in Phx, etc.

I get what you're saying about them both needing the ball to be effective, but Rudy is an average passer, and an underrated defender, he has other areas of his game that can be brought out, IMO. As for being a "ball dominant scorer" I understand where you are coming from, but when I hear ball dominant I think of guys who take a large chunk of shots. Melo, Durant, etc. Meaning that I don't think Rudy takes so many shots that it's going to take away from other players effectiveness..

He only took 15 shots per game once he hit SAC. I say only because that's less than guys like DeRozan, George, Westbrook, Jefferson, Irving, Wall, Monta, Klay, guys who have similar scoring output.

In short, yes he needs the ball to maximize his full offensive potential, same with Cousins, but I don't believe neither guy is shooting so much that it takes away from the other guys. If that makes sense.


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[Melbournelad]

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It's the tanking of the Australian team. So they don't have to face USA. Which would guarantee they will have to face USA in the semi final instead of the quarter final. And would be up for a sliver.

***Bronze***

Obviously you guys would beat Australia in the semis, but we would have a chance of winning that bronze medal game.

[Melbournelad]

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Dante showing some solid improvement. Had 12 points and 6 assists in 31 minutes against Angola.

[RockinDaMike]

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I haven't seen what Australia did but if they purposely tanked then they should be banned for awhile. That's a disgrace.

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[jeebs9]

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I haven't seen what Australia did but if they purposely tanked then they should be banned for awhile. That's a disgrace.

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What happen was... They got down by 13 points at halftime. And the starters never returned after halftime. Basically handing the game to them. When 13 points is not that bad of a deficit. At least bring the staters out after halftime lol

[jeebs9]

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Nice break down

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/team-usa-fiba-world-cup-spain/

[wwharton]

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What happen was... They got down by 13 points at halftime. And the starters never returned after halftime. Basically handing the game to them. When 13 points is not that bad of a deficit. At least bring the staters out after halftime lol

That's on the coach then, not the players... that's a bit different (still bad but different than what I was picturing).

[Hassan Darkside]

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I get what you're saying, but I think the purpose would be more so to give spacing than to expect him to post like Melo/LeBron.. I think it would be more like how Houston uses Terrence Jones, Tobias Harris in Orlando, Marion in Phx, etc.

I get what you're saying about them both needing the ball to be effective, but Rudy is an average passer, and an underrated defender, he has other areas of his game that can be brought out, IMO. As for being a "ball dominant scorer" I understand where you are coming from, but when I hear ball dominant I think of guys who take a large chunk of shots. Melo, Durant, etc. Meaning that I don't think Rudy takes so many shots that it's going to take away from other players effectiveness..

He only took 15 shots per game once he hit SAC. I say only because that's less than guys like DeRozan, George, Westbrook, Jefferson, Irving, Wall, Monta, Klay, guys who have similar scoring output.

In short, yes he needs the ball to maximize his full offensive potential, same with Cousins, but I don't believe neither guy is shooting so much that it takes away from the other guys. If that makes sense.


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Jones, Harris, and Marion aren't good comparisons at all with Gay, completely different players with completely different roles. And also consider who they play next to at the 5.

They're success would really depend on who they slide in the lineup if they go small but right now, none of their guys space the floor. Last year they ranked 28th in 3PM and 27th in 3P%. Stauskas would be the only one I'd make sure to keep a hand up on. And it'd be a big dice role hoping that Gay and Cousins could defend the 4 and 5 in the West.

Also, FWIW, Rudy gay ranked 16th in usage last year and Cousins was second in the NBA (which surprised me when I saw it).

But let me stop talking about this since I'm only rabbit trailing the thread.

[ojandpizza]

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I guess, but spacing the floor isn't just about hitting 3's.. Both Gay and Cousins can hit mid range jumpers which keeps Gay out of the lane when Cousins posts, and Cousins out of the lane when Gay drives..

Gay having a quickness advantage over nearly anyone who would guard him is where I got the Jones, Marion, Harris comparisons, they all beat there man off the dribble and succeed very well in a "stretch" role without having great outside shots.


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[MattUM]

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How much are you actually losing defensively by not starting Jason Thompson? It's not like they're benching Anthony Davis to put Rudy at the 4.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Let's keep it to the World Cup guys

[Melbournelad]

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I haven't seen what Australia did but if they purposely tanked then they should be banned for awhile. That's a disgrace.

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From SMH (Sydney Morning Herald)

"But when challenged by reporters on whether his side had contested the match in the spirit of the game, Lemanis was defiant, arguing the heavy tournament schedule demanded he rest his players before the next stage of competition.
'We always, as Australians, compete the right way,' he said.
When it was pointed out that some would view the loss, and Australia's role in it, with a modicum of doubt, Lemanis was nonplussed.
'People will make up their own minds,' he said.
'There's always going to be speculators. I can't control what people think.'
But when pressed on whether Australia had entered the game with a mindset that losing was acceptable, Lemanis responded: 'Nobody likes losing. (The loss) doesn't guarantee us third spot.
'There's still games to be played that will determine the outcome of the pool.
'We have no control over that game. That was always the case coming in.'"