Shaq says he wont be coming back

**Sully** · 06-27-2004, 12:10 AM

Re: Shaq says he wont be coming back

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hotadef said:
the problem was the las bargining agreement. before team with the most money could offer what ever there was not really a cap so when the changed it and put the cap on the teams to help the smaller market compete shaq and garnett had already had huge contracts and on top of that when they are up for a new one they can get a raise with the same percentage as the other player but to the tune of much more money. The high schoolers have it the best because most of them will command if there any good three max contracts compared to the college player two. because the college player will be almost pass there prime when it is time for there 3rd they will get a pay cut on there last contract

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Woah, I'm confused. I didn't understand any of that. All those words and only 2 punctuation marks.

**Dynasty4Kobe** · 06-27-2004, 12:45 AM

Re: Shaq says he wont be coming back

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Sully said:
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Dynasty4Kobe said:
I still think that one player taking up half of an entire team's cap space is ridiculous.

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What do you think Kobe's new contract, if he signs with the Lakers, is going to do?

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Kobe will be making 20 million a year if he signs with the Lakers. Shaq is asking for a 2 year 77 million dollar contract extension. There's over a 10 million dollar differential. Don't forget, one of those players is on the rise, while the other is declining.

**Dynasty4Kobe** · 06-27-2004, 12:45 AM

Re: Shaq says he wont be coming back

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Sully said:
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Dynasty4Kobe said:
I still think that one player taking up half of an entire team's cap space is ridiculous.

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What do you think Kobe's new contract, if he signs with the Lakers, is going to do?

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Kobe will be making 20 million a year if he signs with the Lakers. Shaq is asking for a 2 year 77 million dollar contract extension. There's over a 10 million dollar differential. Don't forget, one of those players is on the rise, while the other is declining.

**Dynasty4Kobe** · 06-27-2004, 12:45 AM

Re: Shaq says he wont be coming back

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Sully said:
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Dynasty4Kobe said:
I still think that one player taking up half of an entire team's cap space is ridiculous.

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What do you think Kobe's new contract, if he signs with the Lakers, is going to do?

<hr /></blockquote>

Kobe will be making 20 million a year if he signs with the Lakers. Shaq is asking for a 2 year 77 million dollar contract extension. There's over a 10 million dollar differential. Don't forget, one of those players is on the rise, while the other is declining.

**Sully** · 06-27-2004, 12:55 AM

Re: Shaq says he wont be coming back

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Dynasty4Kobe said:
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Sully said:
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Dynasty4Kobe said:
I still think that one player taking up half of an entire team's cap space is ridiculous.

<hr /></blockquote>

What do you think Kobe's new contract, if he signs with the Lakers, is going to do?

<hr /></blockquote>

Kobe will be making 20 million a year if he signs with the Lakers. Shaq is asking for a 2 year 77 million dollar contract extension. There's over a 10 million dollar differential. Don't forget, one of those players is on the rise, while the other is declining.

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Do you have a link about Shaq requesting that much in an extension? I hadn't seen that, but would be interested in reading about it.
I also think an argument can be made about Shaq being on the decline. The guy is still the most dominant player in the game. I'd take him over Kobe any day, and with Kobe's trial still looming...the Lakers are taking a big risk in my opinion.

**Sully** · 06-27-2004, 12:55 AM

Re: Shaq says he wont be coming back

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Dynasty4Kobe said:
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Sully said:
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Dynasty4Kobe said:
I still think that one player taking up half of an entire team's cap space is ridiculous.

<hr /></blockquote>

What do you think Kobe's new contract, if he signs with the Lakers, is going to do?

<hr /></blockquote>

Kobe will be making 20 million a year if he signs with the Lakers. Shaq is asking for a 2 year 77 million dollar contract extension. There's over a 10 million dollar differential. Don't forget, one of those players is on the rise, while the other is declining.

<hr /></blockquote>

Do you have a link about Shaq requesting that much in an extension? I hadn't seen that, but would be interested in reading about it.
I also think an argument can be made about Shaq being on the decline. The guy is still the most dominant player in the game. I'd take him over Kobe any day, and with Kobe's trial still looming...the Lakers are taking a big risk in my opinion.

**Sully** · 06-27-2004, 12:55 AM

Re: Shaq says he wont be coming back

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Dynasty4Kobe said:
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Sully said:
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Dynasty4Kobe said:
I still think that one player taking up half of an entire team's cap space is ridiculous.

<hr /></blockquote>

What do you think Kobe's new contract, if he signs with the Lakers, is going to do?

<hr /></blockquote>

Kobe will be making 20 million a year if he signs with the Lakers. Shaq is asking for a 2 year 77 million dollar contract extension. There's over a 10 million dollar differential. Don't forget, one of those players is on the rise, while the other is declining.

<hr /></blockquote>

Do you have a link about Shaq requesting that much in an extension? I hadn't seen that, but would be interested in reading about it.
I also think an argument can be made about Shaq being on the decline. The guy is still the most dominant player in the game. I'd take him over Kobe any day, and with Kobe's trial still looming...the Lakers are taking a big risk in my opinion.

**Leon** · 06-27-2004, 01:00 AM

Re: Shaq says he wont be coming back

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Sully said:
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Dynasty4Kobe said:
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Sully said:
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Dynasty4Kobe said:
I still think that one player taking up half of an entire team's cap space is ridiculous.

<hr /></blockquote>

What do you think Kobe's new contract, if he signs with the Lakers, is going to do?

<hr /></blockquote>

Kobe will be making 20 million a year if he signs with the Lakers. Shaq is asking for a 2 year 77 million dollar contract extension. There's over a 10 million dollar differential. Don't forget, one of those players is on the rise, while the other is declining.

<hr /></blockquote>

Do you have a link about Shaq requesting that much in an extension? I hadn't seen that, but would be interested in reading about it.
I also think an argument can be made about Shaq being on the decline. The guy is still the most dominant player in the game. I'd take him over Kobe any day, and with Kobe's trial still looming...the Lakers are taking a big risk in my opinion.

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Well, the Lakers are apparently willing to take that risk.

**Leon** · 06-27-2004, 01:00 AM

Re: Shaq says he wont be coming back

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Sully said:
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Dynasty4Kobe said:
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Sully said:
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Dynasty4Kobe said:
I still think that one player taking up half of an entire team's cap space is ridiculous.

<hr /></blockquote>

What do you think Kobe's new contract, if he signs with the Lakers, is going to do?

<hr /></blockquote>

Kobe will be making 20 million a year if he signs with the Lakers. Shaq is asking for a 2 year 77 million dollar contract extension. There's over a 10 million dollar differential. Don't forget, one of those players is on the rise, while the other is declining.

<hr /></blockquote>

Do you have a link about Shaq requesting that much in an extension? I hadn't seen that, but would be interested in reading about it.
I also think an argument can be made about Shaq being on the decline. The guy is still the most dominant player in the game. I'd take him over Kobe any day, and with Kobe's trial still looming...the Lakers are taking a big risk in my opinion.

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Well, the Lakers are apparently willing to take that risk.

**Leon** · 06-27-2004, 01:00 AM

Re: Shaq says he wont be coming back

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Sully said:
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Dynasty4Kobe said:
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Sully said:
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Dynasty4Kobe said:
I still think that one player taking up half of an entire team's cap space is ridiculous.

<hr /></blockquote>

What do you think Kobe's new contract, if he signs with the Lakers, is going to do?

<hr /></blockquote>

Kobe will be making 20 million a year if he signs with the Lakers. Shaq is asking for a 2 year 77 million dollar contract extension. There's over a 10 million dollar differential. Don't forget, one of those players is on the rise, while the other is declining.

<hr /></blockquote>

Do you have a link about Shaq requesting that much in an extension? I hadn't seen that, but would be interested in reading about it.
I also think an argument can be made about Shaq being on the decline. The guy is still the most dominant player in the game. I'd take him over Kobe any day, and with Kobe's trial still looming...the Lakers are taking a big risk in my opinion.

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Well, the Lakers are apparently willing to take that risk.

**bigeastbumrush** · 06-27-2004, 07:16 AM

Re: Shaq says he wont be coming back

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SoMiss2000 said:
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bigeastbumrush said:

@ Toilet paper, Pampers and toothpaste!

I've come to the conclusion that I wouldn't want Shaq on my team (Knicks). This guy is just going to cost too much in the process (players) plus more money (the extension).

If Mark Cuban wants to spend the money and give up some of his younger talent, go right ahead.

It'll be weird seeing Shaq in a 3rd uniform. I wonder if Denver has enough room to sign him? That seems like it would be a great fit.

Peace Shaq.

<hr /></blockquote>Shoot, bring on the most dominate big man in the NBA! Like i've posted in another thread, Shaq supposedly said that he wouldn't come here in exchange for Dirk. Dirk has to be here. Shaq in the middle in Dallas means a lot of wide open looks for one of the best shooting teams in the league. Bring him on!

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I know what you're saying. I would like Shaq on my team as well, just not at that price.

If he goes to Dallas, you HAVE to win the championship in the next 2 years or else it's a wrap. Yeah, you have a good chance, but you better come through.

If Dirk's not going, wouldn't Finley have to go then? Nash definitely won't be back.

I dunno man, cap hell is the worst and takes years to get out of.

Can someone throw out Dallas' potential lineup if the trades are worked out. Like who would be the other 3 starters next to Shaq and Dirk?

**bigeastbumrush** · 06-27-2004, 07:16 AM

Re: Shaq says he wont be coming back

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SoMiss2000 said:
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bigeastbumrush said:

@ Toilet paper, Pampers and toothpaste!

I've come to the conclusion that I wouldn't want Shaq on my team (Knicks). This guy is just going to cost too much in the process (players) plus more money (the extension).

If Mark Cuban wants to spend the money and give up some of his younger talent, go right ahead.

It'll be weird seeing Shaq in a 3rd uniform. I wonder if Denver has enough room to sign him? That seems like it would be a great fit.

Peace Shaq.

<hr /></blockquote>Shoot, bring on the most dominate big man in the NBA! Like i've posted in another thread, Shaq supposedly said that he wouldn't come here in exchange for Dirk. Dirk has to be here. Shaq in the middle in Dallas means a lot of wide open looks for one of the best shooting teams in the league. Bring him on!

<hr /></blockquote>

I know what you're saying. I would like Shaq on my team as well, just not at that price.

If he goes to Dallas, you HAVE to win the championship in the next 2 years or else it's a wrap. Yeah, you have a good chance, but you better come through.

If Dirk's not going, wouldn't Finley have to go then? Nash definitely won't be back.

I dunno man, cap hell is the worst and takes years to get out of.

Can someone throw out Dallas' potential lineup if the trades are worked out. Like who would be the other 3 starters next to Shaq and Dirk?

**bigeastbumrush** · 06-27-2004, 07:16 AM

Re: Shaq says he wont be coming back

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SoMiss2000 said:
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bigeastbumrush said:

@ Toilet paper, Pampers and toothpaste!

I've come to the conclusion that I wouldn't want Shaq on my team (Knicks). This guy is just going to cost too much in the process (players) plus more money (the extension).

If Mark Cuban wants to spend the money and give up some of his younger talent, go right ahead.

It'll be weird seeing Shaq in a 3rd uniform. I wonder if Denver has enough room to sign him? That seems like it would be a great fit.

Peace Shaq.

<hr /></blockquote>Shoot, bring on the most dominate big man in the NBA! Like i've posted in another thread, Shaq supposedly said that he wouldn't come here in exchange for Dirk. Dirk has to be here. Shaq in the middle in Dallas means a lot of wide open looks for one of the best shooting teams in the league. Bring him on!

<hr /></blockquote>

I know what you're saying. I would like Shaq on my team as well, just not at that price.

If he goes to Dallas, you HAVE to win the championship in the next 2 years or else it's a wrap. Yeah, you have a good chance, but you better come through.

If Dirk's not going, wouldn't Finley have to go then? Nash definitely won't be back.

I dunno man, cap hell is the worst and takes years to get out of.

Can someone throw out Dallas' potential lineup if the trades are worked out. Like who would be the other 3 starters next to Shaq and Dirk?

**MartinDihigo** · 06-27-2004, 07:38 AM

Re: Shaq says he wont be coming back

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bigeastbumrush said:
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SoMiss2000 said:
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bigeastbumrush said:

@ Toilet paper, Pampers and toothpaste!

I've come to the conclusion that I wouldn't want Shaq on my team (Knicks). This guy is just going to cost too much in the process (players) plus more money (the extension).

If Mark Cuban wants to spend the money and give up some of his younger talent, go right ahead.

It'll be weird seeing Shaq in a 3rd uniform. I wonder if Denver has enough room to sign him? That seems like it would be a great fit.

Peace Shaq.

<hr /></blockquote>Shoot, bring on the most dominate big man in the NBA! Like i've posted in another thread, Shaq supposedly said that he wouldn't come here in exchange for Dirk. Dirk has to be here. Shaq in the middle in Dallas means a lot of wide open looks for one of the best shooting teams in the league. Bring him on!

<hr /></blockquote>

I know what you're saying. I would like Shaq on my team as well, just not at that price.

If he goes to Dallas, you HAVE to win the championship in the next 2 years or else it's a wrap. Yeah, you have a good chance, but you better come through.

If Dirk's not going, wouldn't Finley have to go then? Nash definitely won't be back.

I dunno man, cap hell is the worst and takes years to get out of.

Can someone throw out Dallas' potential lineup if the trades are worked out. Like who would be the other 3 starters next to Shaq and Dirk?

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A healthy in shape shaq is an automatic to trip to at least the 2nd round of the playoffs. Im not saying he has to be in amazing shape - he was in pretty good shape this playoffs. People forget how many times he has gone strong while being fouled , he has a lot of miles on his very tall frame...

2 probs could occur with shaq - He could get hurt and only last a year , or he could get bored and only last 2 years.
Either way I think he is worth even a slew of allstars or quality players. Nowitzki obviously is not being offered , because although he doesnt do amazing dunks he is one of the top 10 probably top 5 players in the NBA. He puts up the scoring and rebounding. He gets a lot of points for few shots and turnovers compared with the assists and rebounds he racks up. His defense is very underrated , people forget how well he moves for a man his height and weight. For those that don't see Nowitzki regularly he has overcome his weakness on the boards to a degree that it is now a strength and his 3point shooting is still great.

Nowitzki is right up there with Bryant and Tmac as the next-level stars right under Shaq , Duncan, Garnett... They aren't trading him , and the question becomes how ugly is shaq going to get , because if the lakers honestly will not swing a deal w/out Dirk , then we are going to see shaq and Kobe back together and it could get very ugly with the way Kobe has been courted , the way kobe wasn't tradable while Shaq was on the blocks for any willing bidder ...

Dallas probably will not get shaq because any basketball man knows that Nowitzki and Shaq are better then anyone that anyone could put together unless Lebron and Duncan got to some serious team work a la Stockton Malone. Not gonna happen tho lol. Shaq and Nowitzki and there are a million point guards around even some veterans , then they could go defense at the 2 guard position easily , then they are just a servicable powerforward and a bench away from the title. Cuban would jump on the oppurtunity. Shaq is Aging rapidly and may only be the best player for another season and a top 5 player maybe another 2 seasons. I am so hoping that i am wrong and Shaq teams with Dirk.

My arguement is shaq is worth it unless you are giving up an elite superstar that figures to give you more value over a longer period of time.

**MartinDihigo** · 06-27-2004, 07:38 AM

Re: Shaq says he wont be coming back

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bigeastbumrush said:
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SoMiss2000 said:
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bigeastbumrush said:

@ Toilet paper, Pampers and toothpaste!

I've come to the conclusion that I wouldn't want Shaq on my team (Knicks). This guy is just going to cost too much in the process (players) plus more money (the extension).

If Mark Cuban wants to spend the money and give up some of his younger talent, go right ahead.

It'll be weird seeing Shaq in a 3rd uniform. I wonder if Denver has enough room to sign him? That seems like it would be a great fit.

Peace Shaq.

<hr /></blockquote>Shoot, bring on the most dominate big man in the NBA! Like i've posted in another thread, Shaq supposedly said that he wouldn't come here in exchange for Dirk. Dirk has to be here. Shaq in the middle in Dallas means a lot of wide open looks for one of the best shooting teams in the league. Bring him on!

<hr /></blockquote>

I know what you're saying. I would like Shaq on my team as well, just not at that price.

If he goes to Dallas, you HAVE to win the championship in the next 2 years or else it's a wrap. Yeah, you have a good chance, but you better come through.

If Dirk's not going, wouldn't Finley have to go then? Nash definitely won't be back.

I dunno man, cap hell is the worst and takes years to get out of.

Can someone throw out Dallas' potential lineup if the trades are worked out. Like who would be the other 3 starters next to Shaq and Dirk?

<hr /></blockquote>

A healthy in shape shaq is an automatic to trip to at least the 2nd round of the playoffs. Im not saying he has to be in amazing shape - he was in pretty good shape this playoffs. People forget how many times he has gone strong while being fouled , he has a lot of miles on his very tall frame...

2 probs could occur with shaq - He could get hurt and only last a year , or he could get bored and only last 2 years.
Either way I think he is worth even a slew of allstars or quality players. Nowitzki obviously is not being offered , because although he doesnt do amazing dunks he is one of the top 10 probably top 5 players in the NBA. He puts up the scoring and rebounding. He gets a lot of points for few shots and turnovers compared with the assists and rebounds he racks up. His defense is very underrated , people forget how well he moves for a man his height and weight. For those that don't see Nowitzki regularly he has overcome his weakness on the boards to a degree that it is now a strength and his 3point shooting is still great.

Nowitzki is right up there with Bryant and Tmac as the next-level stars right under Shaq , Duncan, Garnett... They aren't trading him , and the question becomes how ugly is shaq going to get , because if the lakers honestly will not swing a deal w/out Dirk , then we are going to see shaq and Kobe back together and it could get very ugly with the way Kobe has been courted , the way kobe wasn't tradable while Shaq was on the blocks for any willing bidder ...

Dallas probably will not get shaq because any basketball man knows that Nowitzki and Shaq are better then anyone that anyone could put together unless Lebron and Duncan got to some serious team work a la Stockton Malone. Not gonna happen tho lol. Shaq and Nowitzki and there are a million point guards around even some veterans , then they could go defense at the 2 guard position easily , then they are just a servicable powerforward and a bench away from the title. Cuban would jump on the oppurtunity. Shaq is Aging rapidly and may only be the best player for another season and a top 5 player maybe another 2 seasons. I am so hoping that i am wrong and Shaq teams with Dirk.

My arguement is shaq is worth it unless you are giving up an elite superstar that figures to give you more value over a longer period of time.

Shaq says he wont be coming back

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