MVP of the season so far?

[wwharton]

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I think we're closer than you think. I am in no way advocating that team success should not matter. I also don't think stats are the end-all-be-all. I also agree it's not an exact science. What I AM saying is that best player on the best team should not have as much weight as it does and in the case of Curry I think it is the biggest determining factor in him winning MVP. The Warriors record is the difference between him winning MVP and not being seriously considered (In my opinion). And I don't think that the stats are the sole factor because in that case you go Westbrook and his 248 triple doubles or maybe Anthony Davis. I think you take the player who has the biggest impact (stats) on the teams success (record). It's a combo of both, but in the case of Steph (and Nash before him) they are being rewarded for being great players in really really great situations.

We've always been close bc I don't think Curry is a slam dunk MVP winner... but I don't see the gap between our opinions closing either.

You may not realize it but you are still putting everything on stats. You're separating the individual stats from the team success by basically saying the player with the best stats on a successful team should win. The reality is there is no statistical measure to determine the impact a player has on team success. But you're ignoring anything that can't be recorded all together. The Warriors are a great team, but the record they have AND the success other players on the team are having, are both related to Curry's play (and Nash's play on those Suns teams... we can throw in Rose too if you want).

In a vacuum I could agree that the best player on the best team should not win the award by default, but looking at it on an individual basis, I personally have never felt it was just given to anyone. And if Curry wins it I won't feel that way this year either. I think it's like QBs winning MVP in the NFL. It's possible for other players to win it but 9 times out of 10 it is the QB bc of the nature of the position in that sport. In this case, the nature of the role of the best player on a team gives them a better opportunity to win the MVP if his team has an incredible level of success in an offense built around him.

It's subjective... which is why we'll always have these discussions. Very hard to be cut and dry.

[DJ_Solis]

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If Curry was in a lower seed, he wouldn't be playing 32 mpg. With more minutes, his numbers would most likely look more like his per36 numbers, which happen to be very comparable to Harden's. The fact of the matter is that when he's on the court he's producing at an elite level.
If we're talking purely about the individual numbers being produced, then the award would be between Davis and Russ, with no one else really close. But of course, we all know that's not how it works.
I don't think the media hates on the Rockets or that Curry is the favorite at this point either. Most of the negative stuff I've heard about the Rockets came after they lost in the playoffs last year. Other than that, I'm not aware of any negative storylines regarding this season. And most of the opinions I'm hearing are split between Harden and Curry for mvp.


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With the nature od how Hou looks at thinga with mr analytics running the show you'll get those stats arguments and i agree its definitely not a stats argument.

Either way I think Steph gets it and the 2K cover boy nod lol

[ProfessaPackMan]

MVP of the season so far?

You've never heard "the Warriors are the most exciting team in the league" or "the #1 must-watch league pass team?"

Or, Patrick Beverly is a cheap-shot artist, Dwight Howard is a soft man/baby, Moreyball is stupid, the Rockets are super boring as all they do is try to live at the line and extend games, ref bait, etc.



This one is true. Two other stars in the Leastern Conference. They'd be alright, lol.

Going by that, then the media hates the majority of teams not named San Antonio, because those teams have gotten those same labels as well, in addition to the praise they've been getting. So no, I don't think the media hates them.

Now if you were to ask me who's more "liked" between the two, then Golden St would get the nod. I feel like they're becoming the new OKC in that they get nothing but praise...but that'll eventually run out because you can't be loved forever nowadays.

[JODYE]

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It'd really be a shame if Harden didn't get it because of a win total.

Curry wouldn't be doing what he does in Houston. What is being ignored here is the amount of freedom Curry has to free lance on offense due to GS' depth which is unmatched in the league. There were a number of scenarios last night (and throughout the year), where on pick and rolls a defender would get cut off and the side he would drive to there would be no help on the wing because they had to stay honest and guard ANOTHER shooter/scorer that was on the floor.

Harden doesn't have that same luxury and hasn't all season and still leads the entire NBA in percentage of points accounted for whether it be via scoring or assists.

Please go look at that Houston roster, and tell me who you are worried about beating you on a given night if Harden doesn't. Please try to sit here and tell me that with Howard and Jones both missing close to 50 games and Beverley missing near 30 that that Houston team would have even sniffed 7th-8th seed in the West. Hell even make the playoffs. They have the chance to win 57 games!!

It would be an absolute travesty if they didn't give it to Harden.

[ProfessaPackMan]

MVP of the season so far?

Nevermind...

[King_B_Mack]

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Man I always miss the first Pack posts. Stop editing **** man lol


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[ojandpizza]

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Aside from stats, record and whatever.. Harden has just been a better all around player I feel. If Curry is hot he's a top level superstar, if that outside jumper isn't falling he's a whole tier lower. I feel like Harden has been a more consistent threat, and has been beating people in more ways, and has a better control on his and his teams offensive flow.


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[ProfessaPackMan]

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So basically you're saying that if his 3 pt shot isn't falling, he's not as good, right?

And King, you didn't miss much. Just posted in the wrong thread, lol.

[King_B_Mack]

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Guess Steph gets to be the new D Rose around here when/if he gets that award.


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Re: MVP of the season so far?

Harden says hes thr real mvp

Good long articleon NBA.Com

[OkayC]

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Edit. Nvm pack already said it

[ojandpizza]

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Guess Steph gets to be the new D Rose around here when/if he gets that award.


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Honestly no.. If Steph wins the award I think he's well deserving of it. I would just put Harden above him and was giving my reasoning..

I really didn't think Rose should have won it. We don't have to start the whole argument up again, but from my perspective it's not the same thing.


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[ojandpizza]

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So basically you're saying that if his 3 pt shot isn't falling, he's not as good, right?
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That's what I'm saying yes, but I'm saying it with a deeper purpose/meaning than that lol.. Obviously if you are making shots you are a better player than when you are missing shots lol. Harden's game is more diverse. He scores more on drives, creates more points for his team on drives, gets to the free throw line more.. I just feel he has a bigger overall impact. Obviously Curry can shoot 0/10 from three and still be better than 90% of the league, but between just him and Harden I think there is a difference.

And it's not just that Harden is scoring a few more points than Curry, he's scoring more than any player in the league.. If Curry had a way to separate himself, say averaging 9-10 assists a night or something, I would think it would be more logical to see him win.


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[OkayC]

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But wasnt curry putting up around 9 assists a night just last year? Or do you mean seperate himself as far as mvp voting is concerned? Cuz curry is just as good of a playmaker as harden, if what your doing here is trying to make harden seem better at that.