MVP of the season so far?

[ojandpizza]

Re: MVP of the season so far?

The dude is playing defense. Not really a change of narrative as much so as him playing his *** off at both ends.


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[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: MVP of the season so far?

Honestly, I don't even think he's playing his *** off on Defense.

But then again I never had an issue with his Defense because I didn't think highly of it since he's been in the league. Just good enough for him, if that makes sense.

[BringTheHeat]

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I understand. I wasn't using it for MVP consideration, just another stat to say he is doing stuff that no one has ever done. As for defense, while he can still get better, I am pretty sure no one is complaining about his defense. Unless I misunderstood you on the defense statement?

He's a stat sheet stuffer for sure and if he was on a winning team he'd easily be in the discussion. On defense he's better than Curry and Harden so I'd definitely give him the edge on that. But I was just saying how PER shouldn't be used for MVP consideration, and I thought you were using it that way.

If Harden, Curry, Davis, or Gasol win it I'm not gonna complain, they all would deserve it.

[DKTF]

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Eh, tough to think of it like that. This doesn't help Curry's case but what if Harden's defense is what keeps them from winning more games? What if his style of play, not getting others involved enough is what stops them from winning more games? He'd still be one of the best to lace em up this year, but I could be fine with someone else winning the MVP if they played on an equal or higher level while doing more things that help the team win more games. But I wouldn't be mad if he won it, continuing his current pace. I just wouldn't be mad if someone else did on a team with a better record.



How can they be "under achieving" not even half way through a season, unless your expectations for them were unreasonable considering all of the changes with that team?

How can you even say how many games they should lose on the season?

And even if those stretches are legit, many of the loses came with James out. He came back and they've won what, 8 in a row? With him playing at an MVP level? I'd say that helps his case more than hurts it.

Because the cavs where 19-20 at one point. I knew they would take some time to jell and all and that they have had some injures but when you still have 2 all star colliber players in love and irven and you are in the weak east there Is no way on earth that after 39 games that they should have been a game below 500. The where on pace at that point in time to be like the most dissapoting team ever. With being in the east it should easily be them or the bulls has the 1 seed so based off that the cavs before the year started I would say should have been around a 62-20, 58-24 type of team. Mean while curry is in the much tuffer west and his team has a much better record and curry has steped up his play even more and james has so far had a worse season then the last 2 seasons and who had golden stat with the best record in the nba before the season started. I had golden stat has like a 6th, 7th seed before the season started. I cant give MVP to a player when his team has lost more games then they should and in less the have a great end to the season that is what is going to happened. James is the best player in the league but the best player doesn't have to always win it. James has 4 MVP but I think he should really only have 2. Kobe only has 1 and I think he should have 2. Nash has 2 I think he should only have one. Oneal only has 1 but really he was the most imponant player on his team like ever year he was on the lakers so he could have many more.

[PurplePitchers]

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Harden still isn't a good defensive player. But he's doing things on offense that most players can't do. The reason Davis isn't getting that much MVP hype is because is team is not even in the playoffs. I don't think a player, even if his Per is 3000, should be the MVP if his team isn't winning on a consistent basis.

[redsrule]

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Harden still isn't a good defensive player. But he's doing things on offense that most players can't do. The reason Davis isn't getting that much MVP hype is because is team is not even in the playoffs. I don't think a player, even if his Per is 3000, should be the MVP if his team isn't winning on a consistent basis.

The Pelicans are 2 games over .500 and the 9th seed in the west at the moment. Is it his fault his team and coach suck and he is also playing in toughest division in the NBA? If they were 10-25 you might have a case, but they are still a decent team who'd be a 6 seed in the east.

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Going by recent history Davis has no chance at this point . Best player on the best team usually gets in now.

[wwharton]

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It's funny how quick people have changed their narratives on James Harden.

It wasn't even a year ago when he was the worst player to ever play NBA defense based on 10 min YouTube clips and now he's a possible frontrunner for MVP.

I'm staying stubborn like bull. I will admit I didn't think he could maintain the level of play he came out of the gate with last year, and I think I have to say he has for the most part.

Because the cavs where 19-20 at one point. I knew they would take some time to jell and all and that they have had some injures but when you still have 2 all star colliber players in love and irven and you are in the weak east there Is no way on earth that after 39 games that they should have been a game below 500. The where on pace at that point in time to be like the most dissapoting team ever. With being in the east it should easily be them or the bulls has the 1 seed so based off that the cavs before the year started I would say should have been around a 62-20, 58-24 type of team. Mean while curry is in the much tuffer west and his team has a much better record and curry has steped up his play even more and james has so far had a worse season then the last 2 seasons and who had golden stat with the best record in the nba before the season started. I had golden stat has like a 6th, 7th seed before the season started. I cant give MVP to a player when his team has lost more games then they should and in less the have a great end to the season that is what is going to happened. James is the best player in the league but the best player doesn't have to always win it. James has 4 MVP but I think he should really only have 2. Kobe only has 1 and I think he should have 2. Nash has 2 I think he should only have one. Oneal only has 1 but really he was the most imponant player on his team like ever year he was on the lakers so he could have many more.

The season is far from over. I think you may just think bringing a bunch of new pieces in and running through the league is easier than it is. Either way, you shouldn't give someone an award based on your assumption of how they're going to do, and whether or not they proved you wrong. Hell, clearly the East isn't the cake walk many thought they'd be coming into the year at this point. If we're going to judge teams on where things are right now, then we also have to consider the level that ATL, Washington and Toronto are playing and say the East isn't a cakewalk this year. If we believe there will be a regression to the mean by season end, then we can't judge teams/players based on their record after 40 games. It's one or the other.

[24ct]

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Lol at Demarcus Cousins. MVP is not based on stats alone.
He's a candidate but he's not a front runner.

The only real ones are Harden and Curry.

Davis makes a Lebron James type case but his team isn't beating enough teams. He's not even on TV enough so you can go ahead and X him out.

When was the last time a player won MVP without his team playing on National TV weekly? Probaly 0...

No TV time probably doens't matter but you can use it to decipher who even has a chance. It's really only 2 guys at this point. And I think Harden wins based on him being the only legit offensive threat in Houston. Those other guys are ok but as stated Harden account for almost HALF of Houston's points.

He's also putting up similar numbers to Lebron when he won MVP with the Cavs so it's probably gonna be Harden...

[DKTF]

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I'm staying stubborn like bull. I will admit I didn't think he could maintain the level of play he came out of the gate with last year, and I think I have to say he has for the most part.



The season is far from over. I think you may just think bringing a bunch of new pieces in and running through the league is easier than it is. Either way, you shouldn't give someone an award based on your assumption of how they're going to do, and whether or not they proved you wrong. Hell, clearly the East isn't the cake walk many thought they'd be coming into the year at this point. If we're going to judge teams on where things are right now, then we also have to consider the level that ATL, Washington and Toronto are playing and say the East isn't a cakewalk this year. If we believe there will be a regression to the mean by season end, then we can't judge teams/players based on their record after 40 games. It's one or the other.

I know its not easy and that it takes time. Heck miam had some ups and downs there first year with james but they where not know 19-20, 39 games into the year like cavs where and I know east is better but still 19-20 with that kind of talent on there team? I don't know how ATL is doing has good has they are though. I thought they would only win like 35-40 games all year. The only way I can see james being a MVP is if the cav only lose like 5 more games all year. Curry on the another hand is in the amazingly tuff west and yet there recorded is great and I think they are doing better then like any one thought they would.

[wwharton]

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I know its not easy and that it takes time. Heck miam had some ups and downs there first year with james but they where not know 19-20, 39 games into the year like cavs where and I know east is better but still 19-20 with that kind of talent on there team? I don't know how ATL is doing has good has they are though. I thought they would only win like 35-40 games all year. The only way I can see james being a MVP is if the cav only lose like 5 more games all year. Curry on the another hand is in the amazingly tuff west and yet there recorded is great and I think they are doing better then like any one thought they would.

Miami had coach, system and championship winning player they were adding to. Cleveland has a coach new to not only the team but the NBA, and the best player(s) who have only known losing. James deferred to Wade... needs to have everyone in Cleveland defer to him. The situations are very different, AND Miami struggled the first year.

Most importantly, their 29-20 so there's no reason to keep talking about 19-20. Nobody voting for MVP at the end of the year is going to say "but after 39 games they were only 19-20."

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Most importantly, their 29-20 so there's no reason to keep talking about 19-20. Nobody voting for MVP at the end of the year is going to say "but after 39 games they were only 19-20."

But it's crazy how people are ready to give out the mvp 2 weeks into the season

[DKTF]

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Miami had coach, system and championship winning player they were adding to. Cleveland has a coach new to not only the team but the NBA, and the best player(s) who have only known losing. James deferred to Wade... needs to have everyone in Cleveland defer to him. The situations are very different, AND Miami struggled the first year.

Most importantly, their 29-20 so there's no reason to keep talking about 19-20. Nobody voting for MVP at the end of the year is going to say "but after 39 games they were only 19-20."

I understand those things and I am not saying that at the end of the year that people are going to say but they where 19-20 but my point is even before this 11 game wining streak really started and they where at that 19-20 people where already talking at that point like he was right there for MVP witch I think is crazy. Now if they keep winning a lot in the next say month or so then I can see him being in it again. They are now 30-20 after a win tonight. Now if they go like 14-2 there next 16 games to get to like 44-22 after that 19-20 start or something then we can talk. I think if pelicans can get into the play offs that AD could end up maybe getting MVP and if they could even some how get to like a 6th or 7th seed then I think he would have a great changes to get MVP but its going to be hard for them to get to 6th or 7th seed.

[ojandpizza]

Re: MVP of the season so far?

at that 19-20 people where already talking at that point like he was right there for MVP .

Who ever said that?


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[DKTF]

Re: MVP of the season so far?

Who ever said that?


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I think jalen rose did. I know I heard at least a few people say that.