Brent Barry rips analytics detractors “some people need to get out of their cave.”

[ojandpizza]

Re: Brent Barry rips analytics detractors “some people need to get out of their cave.

TBH I think the whole "analytics" thing is meaningless anyways. Basketball is about getting a group of guys and finding ways to make them successful. All the tweaking, trading, and fitting "needs" is more common sense than analytics, IMO anyways.


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[rdnk]

Re: Brent Barry rips analytics detractors “some people need to get out of their cave.

Also, despite having better stats, there is a reason Russell has more rings than Wilt Chamberlain.

He had a better team? He had an all time great coach? Basketball is a team game.

As an analytics guy, my guess is the Sixers are probably using a combination of metrics and scouting, like most reasonable teams would. Analytics is just another tool, just like scouting. However, I think they're just gunning for superstars. This is why they took Embiid over someone safer. They received the Lakers pick in return for MCW. The Lakers are awful, and the pick is top 5 protected this year, top 3 protected in 2016 and 2017 and unprotected after that. I would have kept MCW however; I personally am a big fan of his. The Bucks are building something special.

[Ufsports2]

Re: Brent Barry rips analytics detractors “some people need to get out of their cave.

Wilt played with as many HOFers as Russel and Red wouldn't have lasted a season coaching Wilt because no one ever lasted long. The point I was trying to make is if you just look at stats like his 100 point game, you'd assume Wilt was better

[NYJets]

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Try not to get deep into stats talk. Especially with basketball. Some people who never played organized basketball think stats are the end of all worlds. There is a guy in the 2k forums who is down right a ******* about ratings (Rashidi). He throws stats and numbers out there. And believes those are the facts. I think they should be used as a guide or helper. But not the final word.

But you are talking about some guy on the 2K forums. The people and teams that use them in the NBA don't think they are the end all be all.

The Barkley's of the world are arguing against arguments that nobody involved with the NBA are actually making.

[OSUFan_88]

Re: Brent Barry rips analytics detractors “some people need to get out of their cave.

I get annoyed when people say that it must be one or the other.

Analytics gives you a platform to analyse what makes a player so good and what a player could be more efficient in doing so.

Scouting for talent will always be there. Analytics just gives you a better idea of what a player can do best and should do best.

[CMH]

Re: Brent Barry rips analytics detractors “some people need to get out of their cave.

Analytics looking at defense.

http://grantland.com/features/department-of-defense/

The article probably tells most observers something they already know. Chris Paul is a good defender? No duh. Roy Hibbert contests the most shots in the league? Obviously, that's Indiana's entire goal on defense.

But, it's one thing to say it; it's another thing to show statistical evidence of it when there aren't any stats that tell you the above.

This isn't analytics telling people they are wrong by saying "I can see that on the court." This is analytics saying, "Great, and now we helped you with your argument by creating a stat that tells you what you saw."

It's a world where both can live together. That's beautiful.

[CMH]

Re: Brent Barry rips analytics detractors “some people need to get out of their cave.

Carlisle has been credited properly for that, has he not?

It's been mentioned but you still do get fans that say, "No team that uses analytics has won a championship." I think that's because the Rockets are mostly connected to Moreyball and so the assumption is the Rockets are the only analytical team.

But that's also because there's a misunderstanding of analytics. I think some of that is to be blamed on science geeks that don't know how to express their position properly so it comes off as, "I'm smart and can read advanced math and you can't, so you just don't get it." No one responds well to being told they are wrong or stupid.

Anyway, I think there are guys here (I hope I can be one of them) that can help communicate that misunderstanding so we all can agree that both sides work together, and besides, most analysts are only trying to prove what the eye already sees.

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: Brent Barry rips analytics detractors “some people need to get out of their cave.

I don't even think CP is that good of a defender anymore. Certainly not as good as his NO Days.

And we all know about Hibbert and his "Defense" as well.

[ojandpizza]

Re: Brent Barry rips analytics detractors “some people need to get out of their cave.

I don't even think CP is that good of a defender anymore. Certainly not as good as his NO Days.

He's still really good, just not quick enough for the Lightning quick guards, pretty every playoff matchup he'll have lol


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[redsrule]

Re: Brent Barry rips analytics detractors “some people need to get out of their cave.

Good article on this topic- http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...nba-stats-wave

[CMH]

Re: Brent Barry rips analytics detractors “some people need to get out of their cave.

Good article on this topic- http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...nba-stats-wave

Love the comments.

"I don't feel like reading all of this."
"The Rockets haven't won with numbers."
"You can't build a team entirely on numbers."

Explains a lot.

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[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: Brent Barry rips analytics detractors “some people need to get out of their cave.

That article isn't saying anything we haven't already known by now.

[Real2KInsider]

Re: Brent Barry rips analytics detractors “some people need to get out of their c...

Try not to get deep into stats talk. Especially with basketball. Some people who never played organized basketball think stats are the end of all worlds. There is a guy in the 2k forums who is down right a ******* about ratings (Rashidi). He throws stats and numbers out there. And believes those are the facts. I think they should be used as a guide or helper. But not the final word.

Sup

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