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  • Programmed2Kill
    Banned
    • Jul 2002
    • 14644

    #151
    Re: Team USA vs. Lithuania...for the Bronze

    Originally posted by jordan0386
    ok...so the boys can shoot from 20'3...who's to say they can shoot consistently from 23'9


    Did you watch the games? They were hitting it from there, too!

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    • jordan0386
      Banned
      • May 2003
      • 9235

      #152
      Re: Team USA vs. Lithuania...for the Bronze

      where did sajurnas make that our point play from...tip toe on the 3 point line


      they were not five feet behind the line, gimme a break


      but look at the stats...only 11 percent of them have an impact in american ball....one out of every eleven intl players do something in the nba


      yea, thats closing a talent gap

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      • jordan0386
        Banned
        • May 2003
        • 9235

        #153
        Re: Team USA vs. Lithuania...for the Bronze

        where did sajurnas make that our point play from...tip toe on the 3 point line


        they were not five feet behind the line, gimme a break


        but look at the stats...only 11 percent of them have an impact in american ball....one out of every eleven intl players do something in the nba


        yea, thats closing a talent gap

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        • jordan0386
          Banned
          • May 2003
          • 9235

          #154
          Re: Team USA vs. Lithuania...for the Bronze

          two years ago, everyone talked about must having a quality big man to compete...a yr ago, the in thing to talk about was mixing up the playoffs, maybe a ncaa type thing...since the east was so dreadful...now the east takes the title...now everyone wants team ball and playing the right way

          we lose in a tournament, now everyone wants shooters and no athletism,no more slashing or back to the basket play...i wonder whats next


          "be careful what you wish for"

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          • jordan0386
            Banned
            • May 2003
            • 9235

            #155
            Re: Team USA vs. Lithuania...for the Bronze

            two years ago, everyone talked about must having a quality big man to compete...a yr ago, the in thing to talk about was mixing up the playoffs, maybe a ncaa type thing...since the east was so dreadful...now the east takes the title...now everyone wants team ball and playing the right way

            we lose in a tournament, now everyone wants shooters and no athletism,no more slashing or back to the basket play...i wonder whats next


            "be careful what you wish for"

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            • jLp_vAkEr0
              MVP
              • Sep 2002
              • 1506

              #156
              Re: Team USA vs. Lithuania...for the Bronze

              Originally posted by jordan0386
              two years ago, everyone talked about must having a quality big man to compete...a yr ago, the in thing to talk about was mixing up the playoffs, maybe a ncaa type thing...since the east was so dreadful...now the east takes the title...now everyone wants team ball and playing the right way

              we lose in a tournament, now everyone wants shooters and no athletism,no more slashing or back to the basket play...i wonder whats next


              "be careful what you wish for"
              To the ignorant... I give you : Steve Kerr



              Fall from Greece
              by Steve Kerr, Yahoo! Sports

              August 28, 2004

              As I watched Team USA lose to Argentina in the Olympic semifinals on Friday, one thought continually recurred in my mind: This was no upset.

              America didn't have its best team in Athens. Yes, Kobe, Shaq and KG probably would have made a difference. But Argentina's team was simply better than the team we put on the floor.

              They played with passion and poise, they worked beautifully without the ball, they passed and shot better, and I got the sense they would have beaten Team USA six out of 10 times.

              So the question American basketball fans are asking is, how did this happen? How did we invent a game, dominate it for over 100 years and suddenly forget how to play it?

              How can our national team go from utter dominance a mere 12 years ago to suddenly becoming a mediocre player on the national scene? (If you think we're anything more than mediocre, witness the fact that we finished in sixth place in the world championships two years ago and third in Athens).

              There are probably a lot of reasons for our Olympic failure, but the first thing we have to fix is the selection process.

              Ever since the original 'Dream Team' trampled the competition in Barcelona in 1992, selecting the national team has been nothing more than a popularity contest.

              The NBA was interested in promoting its league around the world, so Team USA was comprised of superstars.

              If a star player turned down the invitation, he was replaced by the next biggest star.

              The selection committee has been largely made up of NBA general managers and officials, who frequently are politicking their own players for marketing purposes. Selections were based on star status and exchanged favors, and since we were going to win anyway, nobody cared how the team was picked.

              That is about to change.

              It doesn't take James A. Naismith to figure out that Team USA desperately needed a shooter, and that guys like Brent Barry, Michael Redd or Wally Szczerbiak would have been valuable assets on this team. In the past those names would have never been mentioned. Now they will not only be considered, but recruited and coveted.

              But to place all the blame on the selection committee for the Olympic failure would be wrong. While I believe we could have fielded a more efficient squad, international basketball has improved so dramatically that it's no longer as simple as sending our best players.

              There are more than 80 foreign players in the NBA, so teams from around the world are extremely gifted. In fact, with Tim Duncan on the bench in foul trouble, it was difficult to view a disparity in talent between Team USA and Argentina.

              Manu Ginobili was the best player on the floor, and Andres Nocioni, who will play for the Bulls next season, punished the smaller American guards on the block in the first half.

              Luis Scola, for whom the Spurs hold draft rights, was a strong force inside. And late in the game, Walter Herrmann did his best Dr. J impersonation, swooping to the hole and closing out the Americans with his offensive aggressiveness.

              These guys were awfully good.

              But while the disparity in talent wasn't glaring, the style of play certainly was. I believe that the international teams are now playing the game better than we are.

              Tex Winter once taught me that the best players make their decision to drive, shoot or pass within one second of catching the ball. That creates offensive rhythm and continuity.

              The Argentineans rarely held onto the ball for more than a second or two as they passed, cut and shot us to death. The irony is that they ran a simple offense called the 'flex', which was a staple of American basketball 15 to 20 years ago.

              It involves a pattern of back screens and down screens that are difficult to defend, especially when all five players on the floor can shoot. The Argentineans spread the floor, set great screens and knocked down open shots – something the 'Dream Team' of 12 years ago did from day one.

              But the American game has deteriorated to the point where players are holding the ball for three or four seconds, over dribbling, dumping the ball into the post and not moving or setting screens. That is what Team USA did, and the lack of offensive continuity was glaring.

              The Americans' play was simply an extension of an NBA game, and it was exposed in a tournament where teams employed a more traditional – and more efficient – style.

              So will this Olympic loss spawn a new generation of players and coaches who are dedicated to working on their games and strategies and getting basketball back to what it was in this country just a decade ago?

              Probably not.

              The NBA game has become institutionalized, with teams playing the same way – running screen and rolls and isolations, feeding the ball to the best player and clearing everyone out.

              Teams are not going to run the 'flex' offense because many players can't shoot, and without shooters the defense doesn't have to honor screens and perimeter play, preferring to simply clog the lane.

              And younger players will continue to enter the league underdeveloped, having played hundreds of AAU games, but not doing what Magic Johnson and Larry Bird were doing 30 years ago – sweating in a gym all summer working on their skills.

              The NBA can learn a lot from the Olympic failure. The league could use more innovation and more coaches – like Don Nelson and Phil Jackson – who think 'outside the box' and value basketball skill over athleticism.

              Perhaps the league can help our young coaches at the junior high and high school levels to inspire kids to develop skills – especially away from the ball.


              Maybe we can adopt some of the international rules and apply them to the NBA. We could allow all-zone defenses, for example, or possibly widen the lane, or even – heaven forbid – call traveling.

              But no matter what we do, the USA will never return to the dominant state it enjoyed for so long. The international game is too good. There are great players all over the world. And our game is regressing.

              So even if we pick a better, more efficient team to send to Beijing in 2008, don't be surprised if we come home empty handed again.

              >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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              • jLp_vAkEr0
                MVP
                • Sep 2002
                • 1506

                #157
                Re: Team USA vs. Lithuania...for the Bronze

                Originally posted by jordan0386
                two years ago, everyone talked about must having a quality big man to compete...a yr ago, the in thing to talk about was mixing up the playoffs, maybe a ncaa type thing...since the east was so dreadful...now the east takes the title...now everyone wants team ball and playing the right way

                we lose in a tournament, now everyone wants shooters and no athletism,no more slashing or back to the basket play...i wonder whats next


                "be careful what you wish for"
                To the ignorant... I give you : Steve Kerr



                Fall from Greece
                by Steve Kerr, Yahoo! Sports

                August 28, 2004

                As I watched Team USA lose to Argentina in the Olympic semifinals on Friday, one thought continually recurred in my mind: This was no upset.

                America didn't have its best team in Athens. Yes, Kobe, Shaq and KG probably would have made a difference. But Argentina's team was simply better than the team we put on the floor.

                They played with passion and poise, they worked beautifully without the ball, they passed and shot better, and I got the sense they would have beaten Team USA six out of 10 times.

                So the question American basketball fans are asking is, how did this happen? How did we invent a game, dominate it for over 100 years and suddenly forget how to play it?

                How can our national team go from utter dominance a mere 12 years ago to suddenly becoming a mediocre player on the national scene? (If you think we're anything more than mediocre, witness the fact that we finished in sixth place in the world championships two years ago and third in Athens).

                There are probably a lot of reasons for our Olympic failure, but the first thing we have to fix is the selection process.

                Ever since the original 'Dream Team' trampled the competition in Barcelona in 1992, selecting the national team has been nothing more than a popularity contest.

                The NBA was interested in promoting its league around the world, so Team USA was comprised of superstars.

                If a star player turned down the invitation, he was replaced by the next biggest star.

                The selection committee has been largely made up of NBA general managers and officials, who frequently are politicking their own players for marketing purposes. Selections were based on star status and exchanged favors, and since we were going to win anyway, nobody cared how the team was picked.

                That is about to change.

                It doesn't take James A. Naismith to figure out that Team USA desperately needed a shooter, and that guys like Brent Barry, Michael Redd or Wally Szczerbiak would have been valuable assets on this team. In the past those names would have never been mentioned. Now they will not only be considered, but recruited and coveted.

                But to place all the blame on the selection committee for the Olympic failure would be wrong. While I believe we could have fielded a more efficient squad, international basketball has improved so dramatically that it's no longer as simple as sending our best players.

                There are more than 80 foreign players in the NBA, so teams from around the world are extremely gifted. In fact, with Tim Duncan on the bench in foul trouble, it was difficult to view a disparity in talent between Team USA and Argentina.

                Manu Ginobili was the best player on the floor, and Andres Nocioni, who will play for the Bulls next season, punished the smaller American guards on the block in the first half.

                Luis Scola, for whom the Spurs hold draft rights, was a strong force inside. And late in the game, Walter Herrmann did his best Dr. J impersonation, swooping to the hole and closing out the Americans with his offensive aggressiveness.

                These guys were awfully good.

                But while the disparity in talent wasn't glaring, the style of play certainly was. I believe that the international teams are now playing the game better than we are.

                Tex Winter once taught me that the best players make their decision to drive, shoot or pass within one second of catching the ball. That creates offensive rhythm and continuity.

                The Argentineans rarely held onto the ball for more than a second or two as they passed, cut and shot us to death. The irony is that they ran a simple offense called the 'flex', which was a staple of American basketball 15 to 20 years ago.

                It involves a pattern of back screens and down screens that are difficult to defend, especially when all five players on the floor can shoot. The Argentineans spread the floor, set great screens and knocked down open shots – something the 'Dream Team' of 12 years ago did from day one.

                But the American game has deteriorated to the point where players are holding the ball for three or four seconds, over dribbling, dumping the ball into the post and not moving or setting screens. That is what Team USA did, and the lack of offensive continuity was glaring.

                The Americans' play was simply an extension of an NBA game, and it was exposed in a tournament where teams employed a more traditional – and more efficient – style.

                So will this Olympic loss spawn a new generation of players and coaches who are dedicated to working on their games and strategies and getting basketball back to what it was in this country just a decade ago?

                Probably not.

                The NBA game has become institutionalized, with teams playing the same way – running screen and rolls and isolations, feeding the ball to the best player and clearing everyone out.

                Teams are not going to run the 'flex' offense because many players can't shoot, and without shooters the defense doesn't have to honor screens and perimeter play, preferring to simply clog the lane.

                And younger players will continue to enter the league underdeveloped, having played hundreds of AAU games, but not doing what Magic Johnson and Larry Bird were doing 30 years ago – sweating in a gym all summer working on their skills.

                The NBA can learn a lot from the Olympic failure. The league could use more innovation and more coaches – like Don Nelson and Phil Jackson – who think 'outside the box' and value basketball skill over athleticism.

                Perhaps the league can help our young coaches at the junior high and high school levels to inspire kids to develop skills – especially away from the ball.


                Maybe we can adopt some of the international rules and apply them to the NBA. We could allow all-zone defenses, for example, or possibly widen the lane, or even – heaven forbid – call traveling.

                But no matter what we do, the USA will never return to the dominant state it enjoyed for so long. The international game is too good. There are great players all over the world. And our game is regressing.

                So even if we pick a better, more efficient team to send to Beijing in 2008, don't be surprised if we come home empty handed again.

                >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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                • PdiddyPop
                  K*ngs *f th* D*nc*!
                  • Dec 2002
                  • 21768

                  #158
                  Re: Team USA vs. Lithuania...for the Bronze

                  here is a even better idea. Just let this thread *in the name of Usher* Just let it burn.
                  President of the Devils Den
                  (2009 Pre-Season NIT Champs/2010 ACC Co Reg Season/ACC Tournament/South Regional Champs/National Champs)

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                  • PdiddyPop
                    K*ngs *f th* D*nc*!
                    • Dec 2002
                    • 21768

                    #159
                    Re: Team USA vs. Lithuania...for the Bronze

                    here is a even better idea. Just let this thread *in the name of Usher* Just let it burn.
                    President of the Devils Den
                    (2009 Pre-Season NIT Champs/2010 ACC Co Reg Season/ACC Tournament/South Regional Champs/National Champs)

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                    • jordan0386
                      Banned
                      • May 2003
                      • 9235

                      #160
                      Re: Team USA vs. Lithuania...for the Bronze

                      The international game is too good.
                      so, if they was so good, why didnt they win in 2000, so...2 tourney wins and everything has to change, huh


                      if he is so down on the state of the game, homeboy never mentions it on his tnt telecasts...he has more energy than marv sometimes...so im STILL not buying it


                      How can our national team go from utter dominance a mere 12 years ago to suddenly becoming a mediocre player on the national scene?
                      just like every other foolish american, he is looking at our god like team...there will never be another team with jordan bird and magic on the floor, or even half as talented, so stop living in that world...sigh, guess it was a dream after all


                      look, all im saying is that we have lost the past two tournaments, and everyone wants things changed...why didnt you want change in 1998, 2000...and while we were winning before then


                      people are too hypocritical, especially those that broadcast the same game

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                      • jordan0386
                        Banned
                        • May 2003
                        • 9235

                        #161
                        Re: Team USA vs. Lithuania...for the Bronze

                        The international game is too good.
                        so, if they was so good, why didnt they win in 2000, so...2 tourney wins and everything has to change, huh


                        if he is so down on the state of the game, homeboy never mentions it on his tnt telecasts...he has more energy than marv sometimes...so im STILL not buying it


                        How can our national team go from utter dominance a mere 12 years ago to suddenly becoming a mediocre player on the national scene?
                        just like every other foolish american, he is looking at our god like team...there will never be another team with jordan bird and magic on the floor, or even half as talented, so stop living in that world...sigh, guess it was a dream after all


                        look, all im saying is that we have lost the past two tournaments, and everyone wants things changed...why didnt you want change in 1998, 2000...and while we were winning before then


                        people are too hypocritical, especially those that broadcast the same game

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