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  • DJ_Solis
    MVP
    • Jan 2014
    • 2216

    #2866
    Re: 2015 Offseason Thread

    Originally posted by ojandpizza
    All that means is that the Mavs played better defensively with Chandler on the floor than off, more so than the Clippers with Jordan on or off.

    Not an equal comparison because they don't have the same teammates. But yeah a defensive line up of Rondo, Ellis, Parsons, Drik is pretty damn bad. It's easy to see why their defense took a bigger jump with him on the court than the Clippers squad with DJ on the court.


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    Shouldn't that help in DeAndre's case, as well though? Seeing as his backups were Spencer Hawes and Big Baby, one would guess that would make DeAndre's numbers look incredible.


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    • ojandpizza
      Hall Of Fame
      • Apr 2011
      • 29807

      #2867
      Re: 2015 Offseason Thread

      Originally posted by 23
      OJ I dont care about your stats.



      The point is Tyson Chandler's defense has netted someone a championship and DeAndre's hasn't



      When he learns not to get owned by guys like Marc Gasol and Draymond Green consistently then we can have a conversation.



      Stop trying to use numbers to convince me this guy is some kind of monumental upgrade defensively when he couldn't stop Tim Duncan from pulliing the same move on him over and again.

      You mean all those off balance awkward shots Duncan hit? He was playing great straight up defense and not fouling. Duncan hit tough shots. He did the same against Bosh when Bosh was playing great defense on him, it's Tim Duncan.

      It's not like he killed him anyways. He averaged 17&11 to Jordan's 13&13

      Again what did Tyson do this year?

      My stats mean nothing but you using one series as a body of work that represents the last two seasons now is more logical?

      And Draymond Green?????

      The last time he played Gasol in a playoff game was 3 years ago before the Clippers had Doc. Jordan was pretty much useless under Del Negro and played almost half as many minutes as he does now. Everyone knows how much better he played when Doc actually molded him into a defender. But I guess what happened 3 and 4 years ago is the best indication for what's happening next year? Nothing's changed I guess.

      Deandre and Tyson head to head the past two seasons.

      Deandre: 13.3ppg, 17.3rpg, 2bpg
      Tyson: 10ppg, 12rpg, 1bpg

      Both verse Marc last year:
      20ppg, 7rpg - Gasol
      7.25ppg, 10.74rpg -Tyson

      14.25ppg, 7rpg - Gasol
      10.5ppg, 14.5 rpg - DJ

      Both verse Duncan last year:
      9.3ppg, 11rpg -Duncan
      8ppg, 10.3rpg - Tyson

      18ppg, 10.5rpg - Duncan
      12.5ppg, 15.25rpg - DJ

      Both against Anthony Davis:
      30ppg, 12rpg - Davis
      8ppg, 6.6rpg - Tyson

      26ppg, 7.5rpg - Davis
      10ppg, 17rpg - Jordan

      Again it's not even just stats, Tyson is getting older and slower. Deandre runs the floor better, he rebounds better, he blocks more shots, he hedges better, covers more ground defensively.. None of that is stat based.. But still somehow less relevant that things that happened 3+ years ago.

      If Carlile can take an above average defender who had never made a defensive team at the age of 28 and molded him into one of the best help defenders in the league, why can't he do the same (or more) with a guy who's two years younger, already coming off a defensive first team, who's a better shot blocker and a better defensive rebounder?


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      • 23
        yellow
        • Sep 2002
        • 66469

        #2868
        Re: 2015 Offseason Thread

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        • ojandpizza
          Hall Of Fame
          • Apr 2011
          • 29807

          #2869
          Re: 2015 Offseason Thread

          Originally posted by DJ_Solis
          Shouldn't that help in DeAndre's case, as well though? Seeing as his backups were Spencer Hawes and Big Baby, one would guess that would make DeAndre's numbers look incredible.


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          He played with the best defensive point guard in the league. And Dallas was a bottom 5 defensive team last year. So without Chandler is was an even bigger blow. Blake > Dirk, Barnes > Parsons, Monta and JJ wash.


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          • 23
            yellow
            • Sep 2002
            • 66469

            #2870
            Re: 2015 Offseason Thread

            Originally posted by ojandpizza
            You mean all those off balance awkward shots Duncan hit? He was playing great straight up defense and not fouling. Duncan hit tough shots. He did the same against Bosh when Bosh was playing great defense on him, it's Tim Duncan.

            It's not like he killed him anyways. He averaged 17&11 to Jordan's 13&13

            Again what did Tyson do this year?

            My stats mean nothing but you using one series as a body of work that represents the last two seasons now is more logical?

            And Draymond Green?????

            The last time he played Gasol in a playoff game was 3 years ago before the Clippers had Doc. Jordan was pretty much useless under Del Negro and played almost half as many minutes as he does now. Everyone knows how much better he played when Doc actually molded him into a defender. But I guess what happened 3 and 4 years ago is the best indication for what's happening next year? Nothing's changed I guess.

            Deandre and Tyson head to head the past two seasons.

            Deandre: 13.3ppg, 17.3rpg, 2bpg
            Tyson: 10ppg, 12rpg, 1bpg

            Both verse Marc last year:
            20ppg, 7rpg - Gasol
            7.25ppg, 10.74rpg -Tyson

            14.25ppg, 7rpg - Gasol
            10.5ppg, 14.5 rpg - DJ

            Both verse Duncan last year:
            9.3ppg, 11rpg -Duncan
            8ppg, 10.3rpg - Tyson

            18ppg, 10.5rpg - Duncan
            12.5ppg, 15.25rpg - DJ

            Both against Anthony Davis:
            30ppg, 12rpg - Davis
            8ppg, 6.6rpg - Tyson

            26ppg, 7.5rpg - Davis
            10ppg, 17rpg - Jordan

            Again it's not even just stats, Tyson is getting older and slower. Deandre runs the floor better, he rebounds better, he blocks more shots, he hedges better, covers more ground defensively.. None of that is stat based.. But still somehow less relevant that things that happened 3+ years ago.

            If Carlile can take an above average defender who had never made a defensive team at the age of 28 and molded him into one of the best help defenders in the league, why can't he do the same (or more) with a guy who's two years younger, already coming off a defensive first team, who's a better shot blocker and a better defensive rebounder?


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            Lemme know when Dre takes them here



            Until then im not beating off to your numbers game.

            We're here to talk about the offseason. You're bringing more useless arguments man.

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            • Teddy_Long
              MVP
              • Jul 2003
              • 2458

              #2871
              Re: 2015 Offseason Thread

              were the clippers cap situation that bad where they couldn't pursue tyson or lopez as an alternative in case jordan sign with the mavs?

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              • AC
                Win the East
                • Sep 2010
                • 14951

                #2872
                Re: 2015 Offseason Thread

                I don't really agree with attributing a championship to one player's defense
                "Twelve at-bats is a pretty decent sample size." - Eric Byrnes

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                • JazzMan
                  SOLDIER, First Class...
                  • Feb 2012
                  • 13547

                  #2873
                  Re: 2015 Offseason Thread

                  DeAndre Jordan is the most overrated player in the league, IMO.
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                  • Cyros
                    ULTRAAAA!!!!
                    • Jun 2003
                    • 12628

                    #2874
                    Re: 2015 Offseason Thread

                    Originally posted by JazzMan
                    DeAndre Jordan is the most overrated player in the league, IMO.
                    Is this a Rudy Gobert thing?
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                    • KSOR24
                      Pro
                      • Jul 2011
                      • 949

                      #2875
                      Re: 2015 Offseason Thread

                      Originally posted by 23
                      Lemme know when Dre takes them here



                      Until then im not beating off to your numbers game.

                      We're here to talk about the offseason. You're bringing more useless arguments man.
                      What does team success have to do with anything lol. Stats are way more relevant when comparing two players head to head.
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                      • Teddy_Long
                        MVP
                        • Jul 2003
                        • 2458

                        #2876
                        Re: 2015 Offseason Thread

                        mavs should try and get lawson

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                        • 23
                          yellow
                          • Sep 2002
                          • 66469

                          #2877
                          Re: 2015 Offseason Thread

                          Lets not forget this is the offseason thread. Throwing out empty stats is a distraction from the topic at hand to bed honest

                          If you wanna argue just go in the off topic thread.

                          We're all fine and dandy until someone wants to come in here playing bootleg analytics. Lets stick to signings and what they bring.

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                          • redsrule
                            All Star
                            • Apr 2010
                            • 9396

                            #2878
                            Re: 2015 Offseason Thread

                            Originally posted by 23
                            Lets not forget this is the offseason thread. Throwing out empty stats is a distraction from the topic at hand to bed honest

                            If you wanna argue just go in the off topic thread.

                            We're all fine and dandy until someone wants to come in here playing bootleg analytics. Lets stick to signings and what they bring.
                            You mean talking about signings? That is what the thread should be for. Not everyone posting Woj 800 times because most people have twitter.
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                            • RedSceptile
                              MVP
                              • Jun 2011
                              • 3680

                              #2879
                              Re: 2015 Offseason Thread

                              Dre you be sounding like Charles Barkley bruh LOL.

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                              • 23
                                yellow
                                • Sep 2002
                                • 66469

                                #2880
                                Re: 2015 Offseason Thread

                                Originally posted by redsrule
                                You mean talking about signings? That is what the thread should be for. Not everyone posting Woj 800 times because most people have twitter.
                                Meaning its free agency not yet another lame comparison topic. Not all of us care about that

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