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  • marshall750
    Banned
    • Sep 2003
    • 482

    #16
    Re: Shaq calls Kobe a clown

    Let me first say, Kobe is my favorite player, and I love Shaq too.

    But any bets on how long it will be before Wade and Shaq start feuding?

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    • marshall750
      Banned
      • Sep 2003
      • 482

      #17
      Re: Shaq calls Kobe a clown

      Let me first say, Kobe is my favorite player, and I love Shaq too.

      But any bets on how long it will be before Wade and Shaq start feuding?

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      • ludacris06
        Banned
        • Sep 2003
        • 1527

        #18
        Re: Shaq calls Kobe a clown

        Man, thats so childish. If you are arrested for somthing, why are you calling someone else out for somthing that has nothing to do with you?

        What is wrong with Kobe? The rapping about killing and messing with woman, and now this ... Kobe doesn't sound like a good person. I think he might have raped that young lady.

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        • ludacris06
          Banned
          • Sep 2003
          • 1527

          #19
          Re: Shaq calls Kobe a clown

          Man, thats so childish. If you are arrested for somthing, why are you calling someone else out for somthing that has nothing to do with you?

          What is wrong with Kobe? The rapping about killing and messing with woman, and now this ... Kobe doesn't sound like a good person. I think he might have raped that young lady.

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          • nkhera1
            All Star
            • Oct 2003
            • 5913

            #20
            Re: Shaq calls Kobe a clown

            penny was pretty good here until he got injured, so i think he could have done pretty well without shaq
            Just wait till Arsenal moves into Emirates Stadium.

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            • nkhera1
              All Star
              • Oct 2003
              • 5913

              #21
              Re: Shaq calls Kobe a clown

              penny was pretty good here until he got injured, so i think he could have done pretty well without shaq
              Just wait till Arsenal moves into Emirates Stadium.

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              • Dynasty4Kobe
                MVP
                • Apr 2003
                • 2769

                #22
                Re: Shaq calls Kobe a clown

                Originally posted by TarHeelMan
                Kobe gonna end up like Penny then, a broke down has been after leaving Shaq..... LOL
                Why does anyone knock on Penny all the time? Penny was a good player with Shaq and he was a good player without Shaq, unfortunatly he faced big time injuries, and wasn't the same after that.

                You guys are acting as if athletes arn't suppose to get injured, and if they do, they should be able to bounce back 100%. Injuries and surgeries are no joke, especially the ones that they go through. And knee injuries are the absolute worse for the long run . . .

                As for the Shaq thing, this is Shaq. Shaq is funny. The NBA needs a guy like Shaq. People (looking directly at the media) make waaay to much out of stuff like this.


                EDIT:
                Here's an excerpt I found at clublakers.com. It's from the book, "Mindgames: Phil Jackson's Long Strange Journey" by Roland Lazenby.

                Still, Jackson's initial disappointment over not getting Pippen led him to forecast a 5-5 start for his team in November. And that came before an October 13 injury forced Bryant to miss the first 15 games on the schedule. Yet even a setback such as Bryant's broken wrist proved to be a blessing. It allowed the coaches to mold the team indentity, then to add Bryant's frenetic energy to the equation in December, like some sort of super-octane fuel.

                It would also allow time for the rift between Bryant and O'Neal to begin healing. On that issue, Jackson wasted little time. "I'm going to stop some of the gossiping, stop some of the rumormongering among the personnel here," he promised that first day.

                At the time, Jackson and his coaches didn't realize just how deep a divide they faced. After the season, Winter would confide that he was shocked by the level of hatred O'Neal expressed for Bryant when the coaches first arrived on the scene. "There was alot of hatred in his heart," Winter said, adding that O'Neal didn't hesitate to vent his feelings in team meetings. "He was saying really hateful things," Winter explained. "Kobe just took it and kept going."

                O'Neal's main message to anyone who would listen, including management, was that the team could not win a championship with Bryant. West had been strong in pushing aside O'Neal's desire to remove Bryant from the team, but there were signs that management had heard the message so often that they, too, entertained doubts. During the offseason, former O'Neal teammate Penny Hardaway had contacted O'Neal about joining the Lakers. The center jumped at the opportunity and phoned management. The implied message was that Bryant should be traded, but management declined that move.

                During the season, as the coaches worked to heal the rift between the players, Winter explained that it had been clear that if the coaches' efforts didn't work that "a move would have to be made if they can't play together." The team wasn't about to trade the massive O'Neal, which meant that Bryant would have to go. Like West, though, the coaching staff saw Bryant as a Jordan-like player. His hands were smaller than Jordan's, but the athletic ability, the intelligence, the desire, were prodigious. What wasn't clear was whether Bryant would grow to possess the alpha male nature that made Jordan so dominant in his late twenties. Bryant was still so young, it was hard to evaluate him for that. He certainly possessed the work ethic and drive.

                But Jackson put off the temptation to form a close relationship with Bryant. The coach correctly read that O'Neal's nature craved such a relationship, and Jackson turned just about all of his undivided attention to his relationship with O'Neal. The coach would later explain that the center did not have the same inquisitiveness as Jordan, and the conversations he had with O'Neal were not as expansive. Still, they spent much time talking. Early in the season, Bryant would point out that he had yet to sit down for an in-depth conversation with Jackson. Bryant kept expecting that conversation to occur. But it never would. Jackson kept his time for O'Neal. Some of the coaching staff pointed out that Bryant could have approached the coach about such a talk, but the young guard had such a strong sense of team issues that he seemed happy to let Jackson focus his efforts on soothing the center's harsh feelings.

                For much of the healing between the center and the guard, Jackson and Winter relied on their triangle. The main idea was that because the offense was so structured, it would make the relationship between O'Neal and Bryant smoother on the court. Still, the coaches found there was so much residual anger on the part of O'Neal and other veterans against Bryant that Jackson had to spend months counseling O'Neal on how to get over it. The danger, said Winter, was that O'Neal seemed to influence the entire team against Bryant. So he and Jackson worked regularly on changing that attitude. "The coaches voiced to us that they weren't seeing the same things we were seeing when they watched film and when they watched what was going on," Derek Fisher explained. "They didn't see the same selfishness or one-on-one play that we saw. What I tried to tell some of the other guys is that this is our fourth year now- me, Shaq, Robert, Rick, Travis- so we still had issues that we had dealt with before this year."

                And those issues were still cooking on the team agenda, Fisher said. "It was kind of similar to a relationship between a man and a woman where you get upset with all of these things from the past that come up. That's really where alot of this stuff stemmed from. The coaches saw that alot of this stuff would come in due time. But we were so impatient because we felt we had dealt with it before." For a time, it seemed that no matter what Bryant did, O'Neal and other teammates wanted to find fault with it. Winter revealed that he finally put together a videotape to prove to O'Neal that Bryant was doing just what he was supposed to do. "I think Kobe is bending over backwards to get the ball in to Shaq," Winter would confide as the season progressed. "If there's a problem there- and I think we'll work it out- it's that I don't think Shaq appreciates what Kobe is trying to do to help his game."

                And so it became easy for the coaches to take Bryant's early injury as a blessing. The guard's absence allowed the team's entire focus to fall upon O'Neal, which worked nicely into Jackson's plans. He had named O'Neal captain and spent considerable time talking through a new approach to the game. Jackson wanted more leadership, conditioning, and defense out of O'Neal. As Winter explained, Jackson knew that O'Neal was motivated by scoring points, so he gave the center more scoring opportunities as long as he fulfilled the rest of his obligations. Jackson also regularly called O'Neal's hand if he failed to do the right thing.
                -----------------------


                This is just another side to the story. We read a lot of articles saying that Kobe did not get along with Phil. The book says that Phil gave Shaq his attention because Shaq needed. Kobe never got the conversations from Phil that Shaq got.

                Articles always say that Kobe didn't get along with his teammates. The books says that Kobe tried to make Shaq happy, but it was simple, Shaq did not like Kobe. His hate spread around the locker room. The fact that he came out of high school with so much much hype and endorsements didn't make the veterans around him like him any more.

                It is also ironic that people come out and say, "Kobe, that little bitch, got Shaq traded." Then the book tells us that Shaq tried to get Kobe traded for Penny . . .
                Last edited by Dynasty4Kobe; 10-01-2004, 06:23 PM.

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                • Dynasty4Kobe
                  MVP
                  • Apr 2003
                  • 2769

                  #23
                  Re: Shaq calls Kobe a clown

                  Originally posted by TarHeelMan
                  Kobe gonna end up like Penny then, a broke down has been after leaving Shaq..... LOL
                  Why does anyone knock on Penny all the time? Penny was a good player with Shaq and he was a good player without Shaq, unfortunatly he faced big time injuries, and wasn't the same after that.

                  You guys are acting as if athletes arn't suppose to get injured, and if they do, they should be able to bounce back 100%. Injuries and surgeries are no joke, especially the ones that they go through. And knee injuries are the absolute worse for the long run . . .

                  As for the Shaq thing, this is Shaq. Shaq is funny. The NBA needs a guy like Shaq. People (looking directly at the media) make waaay to much out of stuff like this.


                  EDIT:
                  Here's an excerpt I found at clublakers.com. It's from the book, "Mindgames: Phil Jackson's Long Strange Journey" by Roland Lazenby.

                  Still, Jackson's initial disappointment over not getting Pippen led him to forecast a 5-5 start for his team in November. And that came before an October 13 injury forced Bryant to miss the first 15 games on the schedule. Yet even a setback such as Bryant's broken wrist proved to be a blessing. It allowed the coaches to mold the team indentity, then to add Bryant's frenetic energy to the equation in December, like some sort of super-octane fuel.

                  It would also allow time for the rift between Bryant and O'Neal to begin healing. On that issue, Jackson wasted little time. "I'm going to stop some of the gossiping, stop some of the rumormongering among the personnel here," he promised that first day.

                  At the time, Jackson and his coaches didn't realize just how deep a divide they faced. After the season, Winter would confide that he was shocked by the level of hatred O'Neal expressed for Bryant when the coaches first arrived on the scene. "There was alot of hatred in his heart," Winter said, adding that O'Neal didn't hesitate to vent his feelings in team meetings. "He was saying really hateful things," Winter explained. "Kobe just took it and kept going."

                  O'Neal's main message to anyone who would listen, including management, was that the team could not win a championship with Bryant. West had been strong in pushing aside O'Neal's desire to remove Bryant from the team, but there were signs that management had heard the message so often that they, too, entertained doubts. During the offseason, former O'Neal teammate Penny Hardaway had contacted O'Neal about joining the Lakers. The center jumped at the opportunity and phoned management. The implied message was that Bryant should be traded, but management declined that move.

                  During the season, as the coaches worked to heal the rift between the players, Winter explained that it had been clear that if the coaches' efforts didn't work that "a move would have to be made if they can't play together." The team wasn't about to trade the massive O'Neal, which meant that Bryant would have to go. Like West, though, the coaching staff saw Bryant as a Jordan-like player. His hands were smaller than Jordan's, but the athletic ability, the intelligence, the desire, were prodigious. What wasn't clear was whether Bryant would grow to possess the alpha male nature that made Jordan so dominant in his late twenties. Bryant was still so young, it was hard to evaluate him for that. He certainly possessed the work ethic and drive.

                  But Jackson put off the temptation to form a close relationship with Bryant. The coach correctly read that O'Neal's nature craved such a relationship, and Jackson turned just about all of his undivided attention to his relationship with O'Neal. The coach would later explain that the center did not have the same inquisitiveness as Jordan, and the conversations he had with O'Neal were not as expansive. Still, they spent much time talking. Early in the season, Bryant would point out that he had yet to sit down for an in-depth conversation with Jackson. Bryant kept expecting that conversation to occur. But it never would. Jackson kept his time for O'Neal. Some of the coaching staff pointed out that Bryant could have approached the coach about such a talk, but the young guard had such a strong sense of team issues that he seemed happy to let Jackson focus his efforts on soothing the center's harsh feelings.

                  For much of the healing between the center and the guard, Jackson and Winter relied on their triangle. The main idea was that because the offense was so structured, it would make the relationship between O'Neal and Bryant smoother on the court. Still, the coaches found there was so much residual anger on the part of O'Neal and other veterans against Bryant that Jackson had to spend months counseling O'Neal on how to get over it. The danger, said Winter, was that O'Neal seemed to influence the entire team against Bryant. So he and Jackson worked regularly on changing that attitude. "The coaches voiced to us that they weren't seeing the same things we were seeing when they watched film and when they watched what was going on," Derek Fisher explained. "They didn't see the same selfishness or one-on-one play that we saw. What I tried to tell some of the other guys is that this is our fourth year now- me, Shaq, Robert, Rick, Travis- so we still had issues that we had dealt with before this year."

                  And those issues were still cooking on the team agenda, Fisher said. "It was kind of similar to a relationship between a man and a woman where you get upset with all of these things from the past that come up. That's really where alot of this stuff stemmed from. The coaches saw that alot of this stuff would come in due time. But we were so impatient because we felt we had dealt with it before." For a time, it seemed that no matter what Bryant did, O'Neal and other teammates wanted to find fault with it. Winter revealed that he finally put together a videotape to prove to O'Neal that Bryant was doing just what he was supposed to do. "I think Kobe is bending over backwards to get the ball in to Shaq," Winter would confide as the season progressed. "If there's a problem there- and I think we'll work it out- it's that I don't think Shaq appreciates what Kobe is trying to do to help his game."

                  And so it became easy for the coaches to take Bryant's early injury as a blessing. The guard's absence allowed the team's entire focus to fall upon O'Neal, which worked nicely into Jackson's plans. He had named O'Neal captain and spent considerable time talking through a new approach to the game. Jackson wanted more leadership, conditioning, and defense out of O'Neal. As Winter explained, Jackson knew that O'Neal was motivated by scoring points, so he gave the center more scoring opportunities as long as he fulfilled the rest of his obligations. Jackson also regularly called O'Neal's hand if he failed to do the right thing.
                  -----------------------


                  This is just another side to the story. We read a lot of articles saying that Kobe did not get along with Phil. The book says that Phil gave Shaq his attention because Shaq needed. Kobe never got the conversations from Phil that Shaq got.

                  Articles always say that Kobe didn't get along with his teammates. The books says that Kobe tried to make Shaq happy, but it was simple, Shaq did not like Kobe. His hate spread around the locker room. The fact that he came out of high school with so much much hype and endorsements didn't make the veterans around him like him any more.

                  It is also ironic that people come out and say, "Kobe, that little bitch, got Shaq traded." Then the book tells us that Shaq tried to get Kobe traded for Penny . . .

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                  • Chewingthehardfacts
                    MVP
                    • Sep 2004
                    • 807

                    #24
                    Re: Shaq calls Kobe a clown

                    LOL at Shaq's comment
                    XBOX 360 is my God

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                    • Chewingthehardfacts
                      MVP
                      • Sep 2004
                      • 807

                      #25
                      Re: Shaq calls Kobe a clown

                      LOL at Shaq's comment
                      XBOX 360 is my God

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                      • p2xgamers
                        All Star
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 4735

                        #26
                        Re: Shaq calls Kobe a clown

                        Originally posted by Chewingthehardfacts
                        LOL at Shaq's comment
                        Indeed. But Kobe had it coming.
                        Lifelong Bengals and Buckeyes fan...yeah...

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                        • p2xgamers
                          All Star
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 4735

                          #27
                          Re: Shaq calls Kobe a clown

                          Originally posted by Chewingthehardfacts
                          LOL at Shaq's comment
                          Indeed. But Kobe had it coming.
                          Lifelong Bengals and Buckeyes fan...yeah...

                          My Blog

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                          • Cataschism
                            Animals as L e a d e r s
                            • Jun 2003
                            • 928

                            #28
                            Re: Shaq calls Kobe a clown

                            Ive always hated Shaq, and this reinforces it. He should just let this kind of sh!t die.
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                            • Cataschism
                              Animals as L e a d e r s
                              • Jun 2003
                              • 928

                              #29
                              Re: Shaq calls Kobe a clown

                              Ive always hated Shaq, and this reinforces it. He should just let this kind of sh!t die.
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                              • ZigZag
                                MVP
                                • Sep 2002
                                • 2668

                                #30
                                Re: Shaq calls Kobe a clown

                                SHAQ IS GANGSTA....


                                CAN YOU DIG IT!!!!!! CAN YOU DIG IT!!!!!

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