2016 NBA Offseason Thread

[Sportsbuck]

re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

I think over the years the league has made a lot of well intentioned moves to try and create a league with parity. Unfortunately, it just hasn't been the case when it comes to who is competing for championships.

[wco81]

re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

Yeah I'm sure the rest of the Warriors will be carrying Durant, since he's not going to be pulling his weight.

[l3ulvl]

re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

Yeah I'm sure the rest of the Warriors will be carrying Durant, since he's not going to be pulling his weight.

well hey he has less weight to pull right?

ok I'm showing myself out for the night

[cima]

re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

Jason Carr, son of former Cav Austin Carr is saying that Wade to the Cavs is done. FWIW, he confirmed the K Love trade back before the media did.

Could be nothing but he claims it's done and will be announced tomorrow. We shall see.

[Justin7]

re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

Jason Carr, son of former Cav Austin Carr is saying that Wade to the Cavs is done. FWIW, he confirmed the K Love trade back before the media did.

Could be nothing but he claims it's done and will be announced tomorrow. We shall see.

Would wade just take the biggest paycut in the world or they doing a sign and trade type deal with miami? And do you believe this is actually true and will happen?

Sent from my SM-G900T using Tapatalk

[cima]

re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

Would wade just take the biggest paycut in the world or they doing a sign and trade type deal with miami? And do you believe this is actually true and will happen?

Sent from my SM-G900T using Tapatalk

I honestly don't know. LeBron could take a paycut for his buddy Wade, Wade could sign with one of the exceptions, Cavs have a trade exception...a few ways to make it happen but it wouldn't be easy.

I can see it happening for multiple reasons:

- Wade's tweet about relationships. Him and Bron are best friends and you know this **** Durant/GSW just pulled ain't sitting well with Bron. He may want to play with him now cause he knows Cavs roster as is now is at a disadvantage.

- He could leave to stick it to Riley. Wade wasn't a priority this offseason and was only offered $20 mil after Durant said nah. That may not sit well with him.

- They've made it known publicly that they want to play together again before their careers are over. Why wait until it's too late? Wade doesn't have much left but being 4th fiddle on Cleveland could prolong his career a bit and give him his best chance at ring #4.

This is just all speculation on my part. Won't be surprised at all if he re-signs with Miami. I just don't see why in the hell he'd go to Milwaukee or Denver unless he's really just about $$ at this point in his career. As far as the Cavs go, I'm only cool with this move if it doesn't cost JR Smith. Cavs need both of them for this to work.

[JohnDoe8865]

re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

Oh this is happening. Wade is going to Cleveland...

[Justin7]

re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

I honestly don't know. LeBron could take a paycut for his buddy Wade, Wade could sign with one of the exceptions, Cavs have a trade exception...a few ways to make it happen but it wouldn't be easy.

I can see it happening for multiple reasons:

- Wade's tweet about relationships. Him and Bron are best friends and you know this **** Durant/GSW just pulled ain't sitting well with Bron. He may want to play with him now cause he knows Cavs roster as is now is at a disadvantage.

- He could leave to stick it to Riley. Wade wasn't a priority this offseason and was only offered $20 mil after Durant said nah. That may not sit well with him.

- They've made it known publicly that they want to play together again before their careers are over. Why wait until it's too late? Wade doesn't have much left but being 4th fiddle on Cleveland could prolong his career a bit and give him his best chance at ring #4.

This is just all speculation on my part. Won't be surprised at all if he re-signs with Miami. I just don't see why in the hell he'd go to Milwaukee or Denver unless he's really just about $$ at this point in his career. As far as the Cavs go, I'm only cool with this move if it doesn't cost JR Smith. Cavs need both of them for this to work.

Wonder if they'd be nice to Miami and trade love for wade lol and look for another PF or C to replace since there is some decent bigs left. Not sure if cavs would want to trade love though, even tho ppl give him **** in the finals etc he was a big part/piece for them.

Sent from my SM-G900T using Tapatalk

[vtcha]

re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

Not sure if this works, but hypothetically speaking, would a sign-and-trade work?

I mean can Cavs stack Shump's contract with their $10.5 million trade exception? (Mind you I actually hope this is not the case. I'd love to see D-Wade team up with Bron again but not in return for Shump and that crappy contract lol)

[CMH]

re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

I don't get that logic at all. The Thunder beat a 67 win team in six. They were up 3-1 on the greatest regular season team of all time. There is no perfect team in the NBA....including the current champions. Even if they did "fail", some of the blame falls on Westbrook, some falls on coaching, some falls on management, and typically (especially on this board) most falls on the best player. Happened to Curry recently, happened to Lebron, and let's not even get into Kobe. Absolving KD from all the responsibility and saying his decision to leave is justified solely (or heck even somewhat) on OKC's mismanagement is ludicrous.

I don't know really why Durant chose to leave. Obviously, alot of it was based on winning and hey at the end of the day that may be all that matters. I personally don't fault him for that. But I don't fault fans who like to see probably the most universally admired star since a prime Tim Duncan or MJ overcome some adversity and finally beat a rival rather than joining them. That's part of what makes sport compelling.

Maybe we are having different discussions.

I don't absolve Durant of playing poorly in some losses. He played like crap in the backend of that Warriors Thunder series. He should take blame for that.

The discussion is fans saying he should stay loyal. And I'm explaining why that's ludicrous. Someone said the front office in OKC did great and a player couldn't ask for more.

A player can ask for more. Durant did. He met with Golden State. He's getting more.

OKC management failed him at their task. Durant played poorly here and there but it was clear that unless he scored 30+ a game in the post season he was not beating better built teams.

Stars want to be stars. Stars want to win. But nobody wants to go at it alone or feel alone.

We still don't know if Durant even wanted to play with Westbrook. That's the part being left out here too.

Anyway, I don't absolve Durant. But fans saying he's soft and unloyal completely miss the point of free agency and putting in work for a team for nearly a decade.

Durant was already loyal. Too damn loyal. It got him zero rings.

[CMH]

re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

My question is, what does this do for Durant's legacy. Even the Magic/Celtics didn't have 4 top 15 players in the lineup. Will he ever be looked at in the same light as Magic, Bird, etc.. Or will he be a Worthy, McHale, Pippen. Maybe he doesn't even care about that stuff, maybe he just wants to win.. But I can't see anyone looking at him in the same light as those guys unless he joins this team and is clear cut their best player.. But even then it's going to come off looking like "he's getting easier looks", since he doesn't offer much else at an elite level aside from his scoring. After all he's joining a team that just won a ring and 73 games, even if they win it all next year it'll be nearly impossible to gauge how much better he actually made them. I just feel as if even though he could win himself some rings that in the long run he might have actually hurt his legacy to an extent..




Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Let's be real OJ. Durant wasn't going to comfortably be listed with those names anyway because too many people think 80s and 90s basketball was like 50s baseball.

Try saying Durant could be a top 10 all time player. I'll jump in 20 pages later while you make 500 posts trying to argue with everyone going at you.

Edit. Let me be clear I don't necessarily disagree with either position on this.

[extremeskins04]

re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

The discussion is fans saying he should stay loyal. And I'm explaining why that's ludicrous. Someone said the front office in OKC did great and a player couldn't ask for more.

A player can ask for more. Durant did. He met with Golden State. He's getting more.

We still don't know if Durant even wanted to play with Westbrook. That's the part being left out here too.

Anyway, I don't absolve Durant. But fans saying he's soft and unloyal completely miss the point of free agency and putting in work for a team for nearly a decade.

Durant was already loyal. Too damn loyal. It got him zero rings.

It's not about the loyalty, it's about not chasing a ring with a team that is already stacked to the hilt. But I mean whatever, it's his legacy. I just feel like if he was with the Spurs, Clippers or another team and got a ring, that would be more of an "achievement" for his "legacy" in my opinion.

But again, it's just my opinion. I could care less if he stayed loyal to OKC, they haven't done much for him but damn atleast go to a team where when you DO win, they're not like "oh he won a ring with the Warriors, meh".

Like, no one is really going to be super impressed by him winning a ring with the Warriors when they were fully capable of doing it without him.

Also, other teams were willing to pay him more than the Warriors did. So there's that factor.

This move is also pretty terrible for the NBA as a whole. Like who is going to be able to compete with them. I'm sure the Cavs will probably be back to the finals this year but you have Lebron and D-Wade against Curry, Durant, Klay, Green? LOL yea..

[NDAlum]

re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

It's not about the loyalty, it's about not chasing a ring with a team that is already stacked to the hilt. But I mean whatever, it's his legacy. I just feel like if he was with the Spurs, Clippers or another team and got a ring, that would be more of an "achievement" for his "legacy" in my opinion.

But again, it's just my opinion. I could care less if he stayed loyal to OKC, they haven't done much for him but damn atleast go to a team where when you DO win, they're not like "oh he won a ring with the Warriors, meh".

Like, no one is really going to be super impressed by him winning a ring with the Warriors when they were fully capable of doing it without him.

Also, other teams were willing to pay him more than the Warriors did. So there's that factor.

This move is also pretty terrible for the NBA as a whole. Like who is going to be able to compete with them. I'm sure the Cavs will probably be back to the finals this year but you have Lebron and D-Wade against Curry, Durant, Klay, Green? LOL yea..

Man these guys are damned if they do damned if they don't. Let the man be free and do what he wants. This mentality of needing to climb to the top from the bottom is respected but isn't the end all be all.

Good for KD.

[extremeskins04]

re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

Man these guys are damned if they do damned if they don't. Let the man be free and do what he wants. This mentality of needing to climb to the top from the bottom is respected but isn't the end all be all.

Good for KD.

I can understand your point. I guess it's more of me comparing him to the other greats in the league, like Lebron of course and what his legacy has done for the NBA.

[CMH]

re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

It's not about the loyalty, it's about not chasing a ring with a team that is already stacked to the hilt. But I mean whatever, it's his legacy. I just feel like if he was with the Spurs, Clippers or another team and got a ring, that would be more of an "achievement" for his "legacy" in my opinion.

But again, it's just my opinion. I could care less if he stayed loyal to OKC, they haven't done much for him but damn atleast go to a team where when you DO win, they're not like "oh he won a ring with the Warriors, meh".

Like, no one is really going to be super impressed by him winning a ring with the Warriors when they were fully capable of doing it without him.

Also, other teams were willing to pay him more than the Warriors did. So there's that factor.

This move is also pretty terrible for the NBA as a whole. Like who is going to be able to compete with them. I'm sure the Cavs will probably be back to the finals this year but you have Lebron and D-Wade against Curry, Durant, Klay, Green? LOL yea..

His legacy will be fine so long as he has rings.

And don't count me in with anyone that wouldn't be impressed.

There's a side of the fan base that doesn't think Golden State deserved 2015. They didn't win in 2016.

So as far as I know, Durant isn't joining up with a championship team unless people want to suddenly take back their 2015 hate.

The Warriors need Durant and the narrative can easily be spun to say he brought them what they couldn't achieve without him.

I can understand your point. I guess it's more of me comparing him to the other greats in the league, like Lebron of course and what his legacy has done for the NBA.

The same legacy he ruined by going to Miami?

And none of the people talking about the "80s and 90s wouldn't have this nonsense" were comparing Durant to legends anyway. Blasphemy to them once you started.