The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

[ojandpizza]

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I can see how it helps them defensively, but I find it a little ironic that they'd bench a healthy (if he's cleared to play) Love when people where claiming his injury last year aswell as Kyrie's were part of the reason the Cavs didn't make it.

Though coming off the bench is still much different than not being available at all.

Maybe GS loses without Livingston in game 1.. You don't necessarily have to be a starter to wins. Even if they only played a combined 20 minutes, having Love/Frye at your disposal off the bench is better than running the starters into the ground or forcing minutes onto James Jones.

[Vni]

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Though coming off the bench is still much different than not being available at all.

Maybe GS loses without Livingston in game 1.. You don't necessarily have to be a starter to wins. Even if they only played a combined 20 minutes, having Love/Frye at your disposal off the bench is better than running the starters into the ground or forcing minutes onto James Jones.

Yeah you're right.

Although I wont be surprised if Love starts next game. It's still a possibility as Lue said he hasn't given it much thoughts yet (sure).

[King_B_Mack]

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Cleveland's bench is going to have to step it up moving forward as well. Weren't they scoreless through the first 3 quarters of the game last night? That's not going to cut it for the remainder of the series against GS. You gotta believe at some point Steph and Klay are going to get it going and Steph will stop getting into foul trouble.

[Vni]

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Cleveland's bench is going to have to step it up moving forward as well. Weren't they scoreless through the first 3 quarters of the game last night? That's not going to cut it for the remainder of the series against GS. You gotta believe at some point Steph and Klay are going to get it going and Steph will stop getting into foul trouble.

I think the switching defense of the warriors is starting to hurt Curry's performences. He gets in foul troubles when he has to guard bigger guys in the post.

[The 24th Letter]

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Though coming off the bench is still much different than not being available at all.

Maybe GS loses without Livingston in game 1.. You don't necessarily have to be a starter to wins. Even if they only played a combined 20 minutes, having Love/Frye at your disposal off the bench is better than running the starters into the ground or forcing minutes onto James Jones.

My biggest thing is Bron putting pressure on Green, I thought that article posted earlier was spot on....I think one of the biggest mistakes teams make is letting Dray make plays at the top of the key with a lot of space...I think KD invading his space was a big part of his struggles last series...I just wouldn't feel comfortable with Love on Barnes for those stretches...we see what a guy with a pull up jumper did to him last series....but maybe he's up to it

[cima]

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Cleveland's bench is going to have to step it up moving forward as well. Weren't they scoreless through the first 3 quarters of the game last night? That's not going to cut it for the remainder of the series against GS. You gotta believe at some point Steph and Klay are going to get it going and Steph will stop getting into foul trouble.

All the more reason to have Love come off the bench.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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All I know is one team is 1 win away from shutting up all this "Bring Love off the bench/he's hurting the defense/Richard Jefferson changes the dynamic/Trade Kyrie/etc" nonsense.

And the other team is 1 loss away from catching the "Curry is pulling a 2011 Finals Lebron/Is he really the best player in the league/he a fake MVP/If Klay was dark enough, he'd have 30 by now/etc".

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This series win has sparked the worse conversation. It's boring as all get up.

[Cavsfan4life]

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I wouldn't bench Love over 1 game honestly. I think more of it has to do with the team doing less thinking and more playing if that makes any sense. LBJ defending Green can still happen, and you can put Love on Bogut or Barnes.

[Vni]

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This series win has sparked the worse conversation. It's boring as all get up.

Give us some better to talk about then.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Keep knocking em down while you're hot.

LeBron, whose jumper has degraded since his return to Cleveland, made as many shots outside 10 feet in a three-minute stretch of Game 3 as he had in any other entire playoff game this year. LeBron finished 5-for-9 from outside 10 feet, the first time this postseason he has made most of his attempts from that range and a huge step up from his 1-for-6 performance in Game 2.



When LeBron is hitting from outside, he and his teammates are that much harder to defend. The spacing improves and ball moves better.

But these occurrences have been increasingly rare the last two years.

Here’s LeBron’s effective field-goal percentage each season (regular season and playoffs combined):



Early in LeBron’s career, his jumper was a deficiency. He worked hard to turn it into a weapon, and now he’s back somewhere near where he started.

It’s not just his percentage. LeBron looks less confident in his jumper, and he sometimes passes up open looks – disrupting the offense’s flow. Because he’s so used to launching those attempts, he doesn’t always immediately drive or pass when he gets the ball outside the paint with space. He often hesitates, a tentativeness that leads to turnovers.

LeBron has gotten to the rim more to compensate, and the tradeoff can be positive. Shots in the restricted area are his most efficient. But sometimes, those are unavailable, and the ability to make jumpers becomes crucial.

If he has found a groove now, the Cavs might be onto something.

If he regresses to what appears to be his new mean, the Warriors will have a much easier time clamping down.

[cima]

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I wouldn't bench Love over 1 game honestly. I think more of it has to do with the team doing less thinking and more playing if that makes any sense. LBJ defending Green can still happen, and you can put Love on Bogut or Barnes.

Love being on the floor at all is going to be a defensive liability. It does not matter who you put him on, GS will find him and attack him. I don't see how that's not so evident to all of you. I'm also baffled as to why so many people are against the change when some of the greatest coaches ever have changed their lineups in the Finals. You guys are literally suggesting to go back to what WASN'T working as opposed to sticking with the only thing that did work.

[ojandpizza]

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Cleveland's bench is going to have to step it up moving forward as well. Weren't they scoreless through the first 3 quarters of the game last night? That's not going to cut it for the remainder of the series against GS. You gotta believe at some point Steph and Klay are going to get it going and Steph will stop getting into foul trouble.

Shumpert hit I 3 at some point, towards the end of the 3rd or start of the 4th. That was their first bench points lol.

[Cavsfan4life]

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Love being on the floor at all is going to be a defensive liability. It does not matter who you put him on, GS will find him and attack him. I don't see how that's not so evident to all of you. I'm also baffled as to why so many people are against the change when some of the greatest coaches ever have changed their lineups in the Finals. You guys are literally suggesting to go back to what WASN'T working as opposed to sticking with the only thing that did work.

Thats the thing, he isnt as bad defensively as he is made out to be. He has handle switches just fine and he hasnt been burned by anyone really. People forget in games 1 and 2, the entire team was bad on both ends, not just Love.

Now Im supposed to believe that missing Love in game 3 led to, Kyrie playing more decisive offensively and more effort defensively, JR not hesitating and getting good shots, Tristan rebounding and actually being a plus offensively, and LBJ being a lot better defensively and efficient offensively, including hitting some jumpers. Im supposed to believe Richard Jefferson in 2016 let all of that happen in a game 3 at home, where if they dont win its pretty much series is over? Ill pass lol

[cima]

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Thats the thing, he isnt as bad defensively as he is made out to be. He has handle switches just fine and he hasnt been burned by anyone really. People forget in games 1 and 2, the entire team was bad on both ends, not just Love.

Now Im supposed to believe that missing Love in game 3 led to, Kyrie playing more decisive offensively and more effort defensively, JR not hesitating and getting good shots, Tristan rebounding and actually being a plus offensively, and LBJ being a lot better defensively and efficient offensively, including hitting some jumpers. Im supposed to believe Richard Jefferson in 2016 let all of that happen in a game 3 at home, where if they dont win its pretty much series is over? Ill pass lol

I hate having to repeat myself, but domino effect! It's not as much the addition of Richard Jefferson as it's the absence of Kevin Love that made the difference. It could be Iman Shumpert too, it's just a more athletic wing that plays good D in place of a less athletic big man who doesn't play good D. It's honestly that simple. Go watch Games 1 and 2 again, when Love is on the floor, there is less ball movement because he doesn't always make quick decisions and holds the ball.