Does Michael Jordan's name have the same impact as before?

[ojandpizza]

Re: Does Michael Jordan's name have the same impact as before?

Lol I'm not even arguing the Lakers would win. I'm saying, it's not a disrespect to Michael Jordan if a man was to say I think this "insert all time great team" could beat Chicago in a series.



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[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: Does Michael Jordan's name have the same impact as before?

without even using my own opinion, my point of view is pretty much proven by the media, ESPN, etc.

The fact that you watch a Kobe highlight reel, LeBron highlight reel, hell even Magic highlight reel, and 10 comments down "they aren't as good as Jordan though" even if the video has nothing to do with Jordan, the fact that every time Kobe strung together 5 good games ESPN "Jordan", KD scores a ton "Jordan", Curry wins a scoring title "Jordan" LeBron wins his first ring "Jordan", a team wins 10 in a row "96 Bulls", a team adds a big 3 or whatever "96 Bulls"..Lets compare to Jordan. That proves my point.

On the flip side, people that don't have your POV can be pretty much be proven right by going to YouTube and also using those same ESPN Video Highlights and articles from the Media as well.

I thought you were done with this anyway especially since your point was/is being "contorted" and being "lost in translation"? ****, I don't even know what you're point is NOW because it's a different argument being made.

Just let this one go so people don't end up more confused, lol.

[ojandpizza]

Re: Does Michael Jordan's name have the same impact as before?

On the flip side, people that don't have your POV can be pretty much be proven right by going to YouTube and also using those same ESPN Video Highlights and articles from the Media as well.

I thought you were done with this anyway especially since your point was/is being "contorted" and being "lost in translation"? ****, I don't even know what you're point is NOW because it's a different argument being made.

Just let this one go so people don't end up more confused, lol.

Flip side of what? my point isn't specifically what's being said in the videos, my point is that 30 years later it's everything in comparison to who and to which team? The same guy, that's what everyone on the Jordan side or against it, gravitates everything to. I'm not taking a side, I'm not arguing for or against Jordan. My argument in itself has basically nothing to do with him as a player.

If you think I'm making different arguments then yes it was obviously being lost in translation. My stand is the same.

[King_B_Mack]

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[AlexBrady]

Re: Does Michael Jordan's name have the same impact as before?

Lol I'm not even arguing the Lakers would win. I'm saying, it's not a disrespect to Michael Jordan if a man was to say I think this "insert all time great team" could beat Chicago in a series.



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Maybe Wilt's '67 Sixers could take down the 96 Bulls. I can't see any other team doing it though.

[Fresh Tendrils]

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Is OJ arguing that because Jordan is the GOAT any comparison is merely for entertainment purposes and holds no real weight in reality?

I think he wants the chance to write dissertations on Jordan vs whomever and it be legitimate.

[wwharton]

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Is OJ arguing that because Jordan is the GOAT any comparison is merely for entertainment purposes and holds no real weight in reality?

I think he wants the chance to write dissertations on Jordan vs whomever and it be legitimate.

Man I have no idea what he's arguing or who he's arguing against here, lol.

[areobee401]

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NBA media day is in one week, training camp in eight days. The NBA season begins in 36 days.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Man just say you think this convo is silly man, lol.

[King_B_Mack]

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Man just say you think this convo is silly man, lol.

Seriously. Cause off-season, early season, mid season, end of season don't mean a damn thing for a Jordan convo, especially not one ending up comparing someone to him.


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[MrDubya]

Re: Does Michael Jordan's name have the same impact as before?

I do feel like anytime someone brings up a great player, and says that they did x, y or z better than MJ did in his heyday, they are almost universally met with some variation of "No, shut up. MJ is God and can do no wrong" response. It can be quite annoying, actually.


Nobody can ever live up to his 'standard', regardless of how good they are in their own right, which I do agree with.

[wwharton]

Re: Does Michael Jordan's name have the same impact as before?

I do feel like anytime someone brings up a great player, and says that they did x, y or z better than MJ did in his heyday, they are almost universally met with some variation of "No, shut up. MJ is God and can do no wrong" response. It can be quite annoying, actually.


Nobody can ever live up to his 'standard', regardless of how good they are in their own right, which I do agree with.

Why does every great accomplishment a great player makes have to be compared to Jordan? It's usually not as simple as stats so it's annoying that there needs to be a comparison at all, opening the door for pointing out negative things that may correctly explain why that player doesn't match up to MJ... but whether it does or does not, the conversation just takes shine off the great accomplishment the player made in the first place.

[MrDubya]

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Why does every great accomplishment a great player makes have to be compared to Jordan? It's usually not as simple as stats so it's annoying that there needs to be a comparison at all, opening the door for pointing out negative things that may correctly explain why that player doesn't match up to MJ... but whether it does or does not, the conversation just takes shine off the great accomplishment the player made in the first place.

I agree in part, that it takes shine off the player, but it will always be a thing. Great players are compared to other great players. I'm just saying I understand that portion of the argument that oj made.

[wwharton]

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I agree in part, that it takes shine off the player, but it will always be a thing. Great players are compared to other great players. I'm just saying I understand that portion of the argument that oj made.

Yeah but you explain away this side while making a point about the other side. They go hand in hand. I think it's annoying that a young(er) player can't do something great without being compared to the GOAT... you think it's annoying that when a player is compared, the GOAT is heavily defended. If you accept that it's "just a thing" to compare to Jordan then you should accept that when that happens Jordan will be defended.

[ojandpizza]

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The biggest difference between what is often said and your response is that a player doesn't have to BE the greatest of all time, have the best resume, or whatever to be able to do a particular thing as well as Jordan, to replicate his on court performance.

If LeBron, Kobe, KD, Steph, whoever string together a 20 game span of a amazing offensive play and they compare it to a 20 game amazing span that Jordan had, and it's actually comparable, we don't need to hear "oh they aren't Jordan, why a Jordan comparison, they arent 6/6 in the finals, they don't have 10 scoring titles, they don't have 5 MVPs".. Nobody has to lose their **** over it. Everyone knows Jordan's accomplishments, we know what he's done to give him that "GOAT" status, we know why he's there. Simply using him as a comparison isn't necessarily a statement to mean someone is better than him, or equal to him, or even close to him. It's not a disrespect to Jordan, if anything it's the opposite that 20 years later he's STILL the measuring stick for great scoring performances, and it definitely doesn't take anything away from the player in the comparison either. Just makes the people arguing against things that aren't even in the conversation to begin with look silly.

Again.. when J-Kidd got Magic comparisons, LeBron has gotten them too, Westbrook has gotten some Big-O love, Dirk has gotten Bird ones, nobody gives their complaints. IT'S A JORDAN THING.

So for example, when Curry has an MVP year scoring 32 per 36 minutes, on better than 50% from the field, with an eFG% and TS% that smash Jordan's best marks, and an ORtg that ties Jordan's best year, and his team wins 73 games... Who else should an offensive year like that be compared to? Who, other than kids who don't know any better, ever even tried to make a statement that Curry would/should be ranked anywhere near Jordan... Nobody. But for last season, why wouldn't that get some Jordan-level offensive comparisons? Who else would you compare it to? Or do all great offensive outputs need to be compared to Alex English (simply because he scored 30 a game) or something so we don't step on any feelings?..

Sticking to the Curry comparison, I know "all he does is shoot 3's" or whatever the knockdown response has to be. But on any Jordan comparison stat, chart, article, whatever it happens to be, I'm sure nowhere on it does it say "Steph Curry plays exactly the way Jordan plays".. The point is Curry is a perimeter scorer as was Jordan, the point of the comparisons is to show that he was just as effective as a perimeter scorer during such and such time as Jordan was during such and such time. Jordan changed the standard that you needed to be built around a team with a great big man to build a team to compete for championships. Until we have a team build their championship level squad around a great big man where it makes no sense for a Jordan-like comparison, that's who greatness as an elite offensive output is going to be measured against. And there sure as hell isn't anything wrong with that, from either side of the comparison.