Does Michael Jordan's name have the same impact as before?

[Majingir]

Re: Does Michael Jordan's name have the same impact as before?

lol, when I read the title of this thread at first, I thought it said "Does Michael Jordan's meme have the same impact as before?"

[Mr.Ace]

Re: Does Michael Jordan's name have the same impact as before?

His name doesn't have the same impact, and that is just natural.

When I was growing up I gave little damns about Wilt or Bill, there was NO WAY they could be as good as Dream, or later Shaq... As you grow older you start to look bigger picture and see how amazing lots of players were from each era.. I do believe MJ would eat in today's NBA but that's a different discussion...

A good example about how his name doesn't have the impact is: I live in Japan now. I dabble in coaching JHS kids and they know LBJ, Curry, KD and so on... But only a few know MJ outside of the shoe brand...

[wwharton]

Re: Does Michael Jordan's name have the same impact as before?

His name doesn't have the same impact, and that is just natural.

When I was growing up I gave little damns about Wilt or Bill, there was NO WAY they could be as good as Dream, or later Shaq... As you grow older you start to look bigger picture and see how amazing lots of players were from each era.. I do believe MJ would eat in today's NBA but that's a different discussion...

A good example about how his name doesn't have the impact is: I live in Japan now. I dabble in coaching JHS kids and they know LBJ, Curry, KD and so on... But only a few know MJ outside of the shoe brand...

Fair point but your example doesn't hold much weight. How big was the NBA in Japan during Jordan's playing days? It'd be interesting if you asked the same aged Japanese kids about Kobe in 10 years. I bet they'll know him.

[Mr.Ace]

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Fair point but your example doesn't hold much weight. How big was the NBA in Japan during Jordan's playing days? It'd be interesting if you asked the same aged Japanese kids about Kobe in 10 years. I bet they'll know him.

I don't want to act like my experience can be the evidence but people my age know 30+ plus know MJ... He was a household name. The NBA isn't HUGE here but when kids join school teams it becomes their life until they work... Any kid playing follows the NBA but and knows the current stars... in five years only the most serious students of the game will know Kobe while many kids will want Jordan shoes...

Oddly Kobe had little impact in Japan despite being named after a city... He major in China

[wwharton]

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I don't want to act like my experience can be the evidence but people my age know 30+ plus know MJ... He was a household name. The NBA isn't HUGE here but when kids join school teams it becomes their life until they work... Any kid playing follows the NBA but and knows the current stars... in five years only the most serious students of the game will know Kobe while many kids will want Jordan shoes...

Oddly Kobe had little impact in Japan despite being named after a city... He major in China

Your experience is fine for this discussion. Did you grow up in Japan? I'm trying to understand if you were there when Jordan was at his peak, to get a gauge of how popular he was there at the time.

Jordan's brand has kept him relevant for quite some time, and Kobe doesn't have that. But Kobe's peak came at a time when the game was going international... and he's somewhat of a product of that as you mentioned. It's also a time where coverage, news, etc. is available globally. These are basically what I'm basing my opinion on.

In Jordan's prime, being a student of the game really meant being a fanatic if you were trying to find information, news, stats, video in different areas. Now it means typing in the right url in the browser on your phone, checking your twitter feed or even just turning on your tv.

[Mr.Ace]

Re: Does Michael Jordan's name have the same impact as before?

Your experience is fine for this discussion. Did you grow up in Japan? I'm trying to understand if you were there when Jordan was at his peak, to get a gauge of how popular he was there at the time.

Jordan's brand has kept him relevant for quite some time, and Kobe doesn't have that. But Kobe's peak came at a time when the game was going international... and he's somewhat of a product of that as you mentioned. It's also a time where coverage, news, etc. is available globally. These are basically what I'm basing my opinion on.

In Jordan's prime, being a student of the game really meant being a fanatic if you were trying to find information, news, stats, video in different areas. Now it means typing in the right url in the browser on your phone, checking your twitter feed or even just turning on your tv.

I have been here for 13 years so I didn't see with my own eyes MJ's peak.. but have seen Kobe, LBJ and Curry's here.. And I can say Kobe had the weakest peak from what I have seen.

Jordan pretty brought the game here from what I gathered... sure some people knew Bird and Magic but Mike they were really putting ads and on TV shows..

https://www.yahoo.com/news/time-michael-jordan-appeared-japanese-214041045.html?ref=gs

Not to say other players don't show up on TV here... But I don't see many hoop stars in media here like MJ was.

[wwharton]

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I have been here for 13 years so I didn't see with my own eyes MJ's peak.. but have seen Kobe, LBJ and Curry's here.. And I can say Kobe had the weakest peak from what I have seen.

Jordan pretty brought the game here from what I gathered... sure some people knew Bird and Magic but Mike they were really putting ads and on TV shows..

https://www.yahoo.com/news/time-michael-jordan-appeared-japanese-214041045.html?ref=gs

Not to say other players don't show up on TV here... But I don't see many hoop stars in media here like MJ was.

Makes sense... even about Kobe considering where social media was when he began his career. I'd still bet Kobe is remembered more 15 years from now than MJ 15 years after his retirement. If we're still around here then, we can bump this thread lol

[Mr.Ace]

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Makes sense... even about Kobe considering where social media was when he began his career. I'd still bet Kobe is remembered more 15 years from now than MJ 15 years after his retirement. If we're still around here then, we can bump this thread lol

I have a hard time believing that Kobe will be remembered like MJ was/is... now LBJ I can really see being remembered like that. But like you said we will have to bump the thread in like 15 to 20 years to find out.. lol

[MrDubya]

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I have a hard time believing that Kobe will be remembered like MJ was/is... now LBJ I can really see being remembered like that. But like you said we will have to bump the thread in like 15 to 20 years to find out.. lol

^This, I definitely agree with, and not just because he's one of my favorite players. Between the two, I always thought LBJ was the more complete player. Kobe has more hardware now, but LeBron gives you everything (rebounding, scoring, assisting, defense and leadership).

[wwharton]

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^This, I definitely agree with, and not just because he's one of my favorite players. Between the two, I always thought LBJ was the more complete player. Kobe has more hardware now, but LeBron gives you everything (rebounding, scoring, assisting, defense and leadership).

This doesn't really mean much in regard to the current discussion. First, because I purposely picked Kobe and not LBJ because it should be a given that LBJ will be remembered 15 years from now. His entire career is in the new information age. Kobe was picked because the bulk of his career was before the new social media age, like Jordan... but it spans into today's age, and his marketing strategy was international from the beginning. Let's not forget, we're talking about if kids in Japan will know who he is, not kids in the US.

[Mr.Ace]

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Part of why MJ is remembered is because of his shoes and clothes.. The dude's name means basketball for some kids... want to be serious about hoops buy Js..

LBJ also has a strong line of shoes and clothes.. while Kobe doesn't really...

[wwharton]

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Part of why MJ is remembered is because of his shoes and clothes.. The dude's name means basketball for some kids... want to be serious about hoops buy Js..

LBJ also has a strong line of shoes and clothes.. while Kobe doesn't really...

This part is true... I was speaking more on being remembered as a player, but in terms of branding MJ and LBJ definitely have a leg up.

[Mr.Ace]

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This part is true... I was speaking more on being remembered as a player, but in terms of branding MJ and LBJ definitely have a leg up.

That's kind of what keeps the MJ legend going... The myth/legend that he was SO good (and he damn near was) that even today's stars pay homage to him by wearing his gear.

[CaseIH]

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Of course his name won't have the same impact because as time goes by the number of NBA fans who never saw him play increases.

I laugh off the "modern players are so much more athletic" nonsense - we're in an era where we've had the least-athletic MVP's ever (Nash, Curry). If those guys can win MVPs then why would any star from the 80s or 90s struggle?

Also amusing that in 20 years these same folks will be defending LeBron against kids being born right now, kids who'll say LeBron was only as good as he was because the level of athleticism in the league was so low when we played.

This is also the first stretch where a ton of former players are knocking current players and teams and that's 100% because of the over-the-top rule changes. Hell, Magic & Bird were calling MJ the greatest ever before they even retired. You aren't seeing older guys saying stuff like that now and it's not because they're jealous or they're haters - it's because the game is far more geared towards offense now than when they played. It's more of an entertainment product than when they played. They are justified in questioning some of the legitimacy of it.

Very well said. There is something called basketball IQ that keeps a lot of this generation down, and if they had played in a more physical era they wouldnt be getting all the hype they get in todays game. You see it in football too, now days, majority of NFL QB's can look like Dan Marino on any given game. I also dont buy into the stronger crap, because that all it is, all because you see more ripped guys today, doesnt always mean they are the strongest, looks can be deceiving, heck back in the day I had kids who lifted wieghts in my school, that you would have thought were stronger than me, they looked it to the point that I figured they were stronger than me, but when we would start to actually lift, I would outdo them. I didnt need weights and muscle milk, because I was a farmer, and when practice was over they went home and loafed watched cartoons, or whatever they did, I went home and worked till bedtime. So the stronger theory I will call BS on any day. Is their more players today as a whole as in teams that are more athletic yeah, I would say so, but to say this great from yesteryear couldnt hang with todays players is ignorant, and just shows their lack of knowledge of the history of that sport.

[Gramps91]

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I don't think there'll never be another Jordan. Kobe and LeBron are great sure. No disrespect to them (though I've always thought LeBron was full of himself, and still do) but Jordan led a team to 6-0 in the finals. I sincerely believe that if he hadn't retired to baseball they would have went 8-0 in that time period. Just insane. Of course he couldn't do it without Pippen but what did Kobe do without Shaq or Pau. What has LeBron done without Ray Allen or Kyrie. No one can do it by themselves. But I've NEVER seen a dude play with that do or die passion like Jordan did. Kobe played very close to it. LeBron has only very recently had a couple games like it (mainly this past finals).

What gets me is that LeBron played a phenomenal performance in the past finals, indeed. However, people are now saying he's GOAT based off ONE great Finals performance. Have people forgotten LeBron in all the other Finals he's played in. Jordan had and undefeated record of 6-0 in the Finals and was amazing in every single one. I know only Finals performances aren't everything and LeBron is no doubt a phenomenal athlete and top 10 player of all time but I feel like Jordan's name is really getting thrown under the bus.