What do you think of this "stop flopping" idea?

[Boge]

You're caught flopping, you get a 1 game suspension. The fines don't seem to work. I can't imagine this not working, and I actually can't understand why they wouldn't want something this sever. You want to stop it from happening? You have to take extreme measures.

Obviously they would be thoroughly reviewed after the games and when in doubt, there wouldn't be a suspension.

Aside from some that are in the bad habbit of it and would have to learn the hard way, I think it would catch on quick. There's no way anyone would flop during the playoffs. That's way too costly to risk.

[ojandpizza]

Re: What do you think of this "stop flopping" idea?

Start calling the fouls that cause the player to flop to begin with if you want to stop it. Obviously that's not every flop, but easily the majority.

Example being Bledsoe the other night. Elbow in the face, no call, so he exaggerates and flails himself to the ground.

I don't particularly mind when players "flop" when it's because the ref can't do his job correctly. Sure it looks stupid, we laugh, the internet has jokes, etc. but I can't say I wouldn't do the same if I wasn't getting the call otherwise.


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[Boge]

Re: What do you think of this "stop flopping" idea?

I think it's more difficult to call everything right. Sometimes the refs have bad angles. There are three of them. They can't watch everything at the same time. There are bound to be missed calls. I'm sure it's not (usually) intentional when a ref doesn't make a call or doesn't call it in a players favor. Every call goes for someone and against someone. It's never something both parties are happy to have. It's something that the NBA, it's players and it's fans will always have to deal with.

I do think the flopping can drastically be reduced though. If any calls are the ones we don't need to go wrong in the NBA, it's the flops.

[ojandpizza]

Re: What do you think of this "stop flopping" idea?

Definitely, the refs can't possibly call everything correctly at the speed the game is being played. Especially with only 3 of them on the court. But my point is, you can't suspend a player for flopping because a ref missed a call. A lot of these flops are because they didn't get a whistle they felt they deserved.


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[wwharton]

Re: What do you think of this "stop flopping" idea?

I have a problem with the extreme BS flopping for calls acting. But OJ is right, before that even became a real thing, players exaggerated fouls to "help" refs. There's a reason big guys like Shaq and Lebron seem to not get all the calls they deserve... some hits don't look like they phase them at all, so refs don't call it or even see it. Exaggerating a hit is considered a flop in that situation, and I have no problem with players continuing to do it.

Only outside review after the game can separate these from the flops people complain about... and even that is subjective. Really the answer is for players to stop trying to game the system. It used to be just pointing the other direction when you knew the ball went out on you. Have some integrity.

[Boge]

Re: What do you think of this "stop flopping" idea?

Some players will never have any integrity. That's just who they are. It's not fair to allow them to abuse the hectic job of a referee in forcing them to make the call.

They're already doing reviews and fining them for it. I just think they need to make the punishment much more impactful to the player and the team in order to stop them from doing it.

[Blzer]

Re: What do you think of this "stop flopping" idea?

An MLB player check swings on a two-strike pitch in the dirt, and while awaiting the appeal on the swing proceeds to first base as a result of the possible drop-third strike. The catcher gathers the ball and throws the ball to first base in time. All the meanwhile, the corner base umpire signals that the batter swung around. The batter-runner throws a fit, saying he didn't swing. The umpire questions why he then ran in the first place. The batter stated he wanted to cover his arse in case an umpire called the play wrong, and that him running should not have influenced his call to begin with.

This is an anecdote for what would happen if you suspended NBA players for flopping on calls that were actually fouls. The player would try and cover his end to make the official aware that a foul was made, because if he does not then he might not make the call at all. You don't want this to come at the expense of a suspension, especially if the league determines that a foul wasn't actually made on the play.

Flopping is an art form that is only special if you get away with it, even on a slow-motion replay. But, like counting cards in blackjack or picking signs in baseball, it's so heavily frowned upon that if you are caught, there are still repercussions. It's a silly act, and should not be part of this sport. I agree with the suspensions, and forewarn players that even if they suspend only on actual non-fouls that they should be certain certain certain that a foul occurs when they feel they need to direct attention to themselves with a flop. However, the foul should probably also be obvious enough to call at that point.

Flopping has to stop, though. I love the idea of suspending them. It's becoming an encouraged act in youth leagues.

[Boge]

Re: What do you think of this "stop flopping" idea?

There is flopping where a player exaggerated the contact of an actual foul. I understand that and wouldn't call for a suspension on such a flop. Then there are those where players aren't even touched, but they straight up fake the contact. We've seen this from players where they weren't even touched, but they act like they just got hit in the face and the ref calls a foul. Those are the flops that straight up need to stop and I don't see it happening unless a real punishment is in place, like a suspension. This is basketball, not theater.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rF5E4bzEqm8

You see a few moments in here where the defender PRETENDS to get hit in the face resulting in a foul call. These can be critical game deciding calls and the refs should not be put in the position to make those decisions, not if they have to make the call right then and there without a review. Those flops should result in a suspension in my opinion.

How else would you propose to keep players from flopping?

[ojandpizza]

Re: What do you think of this "stop flopping" idea?

In the grand scheme of things I don't think many players are really going to care if they have to sit one game. But this would never fly because it would lose teams/the league money. If you suspend Curry, LeBron, Westbrook for a game then that game instantly draws less revenue.


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[redsox4evur]

Re: What do you think of this "stop flopping" idea?

In the grand scheme of things I don't think many players are really going to care if they have to sit one game. But this would never fly because it would lose teams/the league money. If you suspend Curry, LeBron, Westbrook for a game then that game instantly draws less revenue.


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I agree completely OJ and to further expand on OJ's What happens when you have the inevitable time where one of your superstars is hurt? For example now (Love and Durant) and you have 2 of Curry, Green, Klay, Kyrie or Lebron go down with this 1 game suspension who is now going to want to watch or attend this game? I sure as hell wouldn't. I mean we as fans get pissed when these guys all take a night off because of rest. But now we are supposed be OK with a guy being suspended over a bull rule and another guy being out because he is injured?

[33JAF]

Re: What do you think of this "stop flopping" idea?

Just make an All NBA flop team each year, and then next season they all have to wear some kind of pink patch on their jersey to signify their floppiness.

[Smallville102001]

Re: What do you think of this "stop flopping" idea?

You're caught flopping, you get a 1 game suspension. The fines don't seem to work. I can't imagine this not working, and I actually can't understand why they wouldn't want something this sever. You want to stop it from happening? You have to take extreme measures.

Obviously they would be thoroughly reviewed after the games and when in doubt, there wouldn't be a suspension.

Aside from some that are in the bad habbit of it and would have to learn the hard way, I think it would catch on quick. There's no way anyone would flop during the playoffs. That's way too costly to risk.

How long have you been watching NBA? Since they started fining flopping is way way down. Before you couldn't go a single game with out seeing like at least 3-4 really bad flops. I would say flopping is down like 1000% the last few years night and day difference. Also refs have gotten better the last few years to but NBA refs are still the worst in any sport. If the refs where much better and not stupid enough to fall for flopping then there wouldn't be flopping in the first place.

[Smallville102001]

Re: What do you think of this "stop flopping" idea?

In the grand scheme of things I don't think many players are really going to care if they have to sit one game. But this would never fly because it would lose teams/the league money. If you suspend Curry, LeBron, Westbrook for a game then that game instantly draws less revenue.


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I disagree because when a player is suspended they don't get paid for that game and with how much guys are playing 1 game pay check is a lot more money then like a 10000 fine or something. Also the talk in here about how refs are not going to get ever call right drives me nuts. Yes it is true some calls are going to be missed because they are human but NBA refs are much worse then MLB, NFL and also worse then NHL and there are hard calls to make in those sports to and its not just NBA where you don't have the good angle sometimes. Yet those other sports they get the right call way more often then NBA.

[VDusen04]

Re: What do you think of this "stop flopping" idea?

There is flopping where a player exaggerated the contact of an actual foul. I understand that and wouldn't call for a suspension on such a flop. Then there are those where players aren't even touched, but they straight up fake the contact. We've seen this from players where they weren't even touched, but they act like they just got hit in the face and the ref calls a foul. Those are the flops that straight up need to stop and I don't see it happening unless a real punishment is in place, like a suspension. This is basketball, not theater.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rF5E4bzEqm8

You see a few moments in here where the defender PRETENDS to get hit in the face resulting in a foul call. These can be critical game deciding calls and the refs should not be put in the position to make those decisions, not if they have to make the call right then and there without a review. Those flops should result in a suspension in my opinion.

How else would you propose to keep players from flopping?

I think your clarification here is very important. "Flopping" often ends up being an umbrella term for any sort of perceivable suspicion of exaggerated contact.

Even with that distinction in mind, I'm not sure I see a ton of insane-o-flops like that these days. I think the rule created a few years ago to curb some of the exaggerations even helped cut back on a lot of what we were seeing back then.

This topic reminds me though... all that talk about how there was going to be no way to properly eliminate Hack-a-Shaq from the game, how are we feeling about where we stand these days?

[Boge]

Re: What do you think of this "stop flopping" idea?

I don't have any original ideas for the hack-a-player. I think it's an interesting strategy that doesn't seem all that effective though. It works against them about as often as it works for them. I don't mind it myself. It extends games, what, 10 minutes? No bid deal. They've changed the rule now to no intentional fouling in the last 2 minutes of every quarter for this season. They could make that in effect the entire quarter, but then we end up falling on the refs for "bad calls" all over again. It might just be a trial and error thing they'll have to figure out year to year until something works.