2017 Western Conference Playoffs - 1st Round Discussion Thread

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  • DamnYanks2
    Hall Of Fame
    • Jun 2007
    • 20794

    #646
    Re: 2017 Western Conference Playoffs - 1st Round Discussion Thread

    Originally posted by Streets
    This was answered already...

    The supporting cast was great until they were forgotten.



    Takes and takes and takes and takes...
    There's a good reason the supporting cast is forgotten. Damn good reason.

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    • ProfessaPackMan
      Bamma
      • Mar 2008
      • 63852

      #647
      Re: 2017 Western Conference Playoffs - 1st Round Discussion Thread

      Originally posted by DamnYanks2
      Houston Bench-64 pts
      OKC Bench-22

      Harden 8 assists and 7 turnovers.

      Westbrook 14 assists and 5 turnovers.

      Just don't see how it's on Russ, erratic shooting or not. Nobody steps up for OKC.

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      You're fighting a losing battle so you might as well just drop it, lol.

      Especially considering who you're talking with...just leave it be
      #RespectTheCulture

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      • 3304Life
        MVP
        • Sep 2016
        • 3002

        #648
        Re: 2017 Western Conference Playoffs - 1st Round Discussion Thread

        This is the legacy of having an entire season where nobody but Westbrook has had the ball. Nobody has been hot all season. Instead of stroking his ego Donovan should've built a better offensive plan that involved improving his pieces rather than just letting Russell do what he wants. That way, they might have won fewer games and even missed the playoffs but I'd rather have that than reach the playoffs and have nobody able to do anything. It's no better, really.

        Westbrook can do more. He can put faith in his team mates and encourage them, and hope that eventually they'll hit shots. He absolutely doesn't trust them and that's part of the problem.


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        • Yeah...THAT Guy
          Once in a Lifetime Memory
          • Dec 2006
          • 17294

          #649
          Re: 2017 Western Conference Playoffs - 1st Round Discussion Thread

          Originally posted by DamnYanks2
          He had 14 assists. What more can you do? It's not his fault his team is braindead on offense, and his coach can't recognize he has the worst free throw shooter on the team out there.

          I get it, WB couldn't hit the side of a barn, but I don't think it really mattered anyway. That team is trash on offense, anyway you slice it.

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          He had 14 assists...2 in the 4th quarter.

          The first 3 quarters, he only took 25% of his team's shots. In the 4th, he took 58%. He clearly drastically changed his approach to the game in the 4th, and it was not for the better.
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          • ProfessaPackMan
            Bamma
            • Mar 2008
            • 63852

            #650
            Re: 2017 Western Conference Playoffs - 1st Round Discussion Thread

            Originally posted by 3304Life
            This is the legacy of having an entire season where nobody but Westbrook has had the ball. Nobody has been hot all season. Instead of stroking his ego Donovan should've built a better offensive plan that involved improving his pieces rather than just letting Russell do what he wants. That way, they might have won fewer games and even missed the playoffs but I'd rather have that than reach the playoffs and have nobody able to do anything. It's no better, really.

            Westbrook can do more. He can put faith in his team mates and encourage them, and hope that eventually they'll hit shots. He absolutely doesn't trust them and that's part of the problem.


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            I'm not sure if you're serious about that "miss the playoffs" part.

            Because there's not a coach or player in the world that would say "Hmm, I think it's better for us to miss the playoffs so I can use this season to either acquire better pieces or properly develop the ones I have". That strategy makes more sense for a team like the Sixers/Nets than it does any team that has a superstar who is good enough to carry a team to the playoffs.
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            • ojandpizza
              Hall Of Fame
              • Apr 2011
              • 29807

              #651
              Re: 2017 Western Conference Playoffs - 1st Round Discussion Thread

              Man OKC really ****ed up by not fouling and then fouling the shooter... either would have given a chance for Westbrook to at least have a shot at OT.


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              • jfsolo
                Live Action, please?
                • May 2003
                • 12965

                #652
                Re: 2017 Western Conference Playoffs - 1st Round Discussion Thread

                Originally posted by 3304Life
                This is the legacy of having an entire season where nobody but Westbrook has had the ball. Nobody has been hot all season. Instead of stroking his ego Donovan should've built a better offensive plan that involved improving his pieces rather than just letting Russell do what he wants. That way, they might have won fewer games and even missed the playoffs but I'd rather have that than reach the playoffs and have nobody able to do anything. It's no better, really.

                Westbrook can do more. He can put faith in his team mates and encourage them, and hope that eventually they'll hit shots. He absolutely doesn't trust them and that's part of the problem.

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                Next year Oladipo and Adams jump up to 20 plus million per year in salary each. Throw in Kanter's 17 mill and the rest of the team, and despite Gibson's 9 mill coming off the books(I think he bounces) they are already over next year's salary cap. With no space to bring in anyone of note,(It's my opinion that no star would want to go there now anyway, see Bryant, Kobe for historical precedent) he's going to need to figure something out.
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                • ojandpizza
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Apr 2011
                  • 29807

                  #653
                  Re: 2017 Western Conference Playoffs - 1st Round Discussion Thread

                  Originally posted by Streets
                  How does anyone else have a chance to "step up" though? Russ gets the ball, jacks up an off-balance three with a defender in his face seconds into the clock.



                  Harden gets the ball, walks it up, passes it around the peremiter, controls the tempo, and the person with the best look takes the shot. Very different mindset.


                  Your Westbrook narratives are so bad man. Like I understand not liking a dude, but you are Kash/Kobe level with this guy...


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                  • ProfessaPackMan
                    Bamma
                    • Mar 2008
                    • 63852

                    #654
                    Re: 2017 Western Conference Playoffs - 1st Round Discussion Thread

                    Originally posted by jfsolo
                    Next year Oladipo and Adams jump up to 20 plus million per year in salary each. Throw in Kanter's 17 mill and the rest of the team, and despite Gibson's 9 mill coming off the books(I think he bounces) they are already over next year's salary cap. With no space to bring in anyone of note,(It's my opinion that no star would want to go there now anyway, see Bryant, Kobe for historical precedent) he's going to need to figure something out.
                    I'd make a run at George.

                    Not saying they won't get him but it's better than sitting around and standing pat, especially when your best player can opt out after next season. Either way, they're going to have to do something.
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                    • ojandpizza
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Apr 2011
                      • 29807

                      #655
                      Re: 2017 Western Conference Playoffs - 1st Round Discussion Thread

                      Originally posted by 3304Life
                      This is the legacy of having an entire season where nobody but Westbrook has had the ball. Nobody has been hot all season. Instead of stroking his ego Donovan should've built a better offensive plan that involved improving his pieces rather than just letting Russell do what he wants.


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                      They are literally the worst shooting team in the league and for the most part (minus Vic) are full of players who can only produce when a playmaker can get them their shots. They haven't been hot all year because they don't have the personnel to get hot.

                      People keep ignoring that this was a team built to include Kevin Durant. They weren't built for these guys to get hot, they were built to have a player on the wing scoring 30 a night along with what Russ gives them. They are perfectly built for a Russ/KD duo. Hey have the lockdown defender, the pick and pop big, the around the rim finisher, but nobody to make up the slack from losing a third of their production offensively.

                      Outside of Kanter and McDermott there isn't a player on this team that you would actually draw up a play for. None of them are off ball players, none of them shooters aside from those 2. And neither of those 2 can cover enough ground defensively to even stay on the court against a team that spreads you out like Houston. That's the biggest reason I called sweep before this even started. They can't score with Houston, they simply can't.



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                      • Streets
                        Supreme
                        • Aug 2004
                        • 5787

                        #656
                        Re: 2017 Western Conference Playoffs - 1st Round Discussion Thread

                        Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
                        You're fighting a losing battle so you might as well just drop it, lol.

                        Especially considering who you're talking with...just leave it be
                        C'mon pack, you know that last line isn't necessary. Those type of jabs add nothing to the conversation.

                        NO ONE in here is changing their minds (that's both sides). If you feel Westbrook is playing with garbage then the fact that they shot great and were dominating when Russ shared the ball this series won't convince you otherwise.



                        Originally posted by DamnYanks2
                        Houston Bench-64 pts
                        OKC Bench-22

                        Harden 8 assists and 7 turnovers.

                        Westbrook 14 assists and 5 turnovers.

                        Just don't see how it's on Russ, erratic shooting or not. Nobody steps up for OKC.

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                        Harden played like crap and Houston's supporting cast was HUGE!

                        That has nothing to do with the fact that Russ also has more help than given credit for and has proven it many times this series. When he goes away from them and goes 1 on 5, they fall apart.


                        Originally posted by ojandpizza
                        Your Westbrook narratives are so bad man. Like I understand not liking a dude, but you are Kash/Kobe level with this guy...


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                        Believe it or not (not), I really like Westbrook. He's my favorite player not on my team. Mainly because he's fun to watch and is superhuman out there on the court. Dude is just entertaining. I've given Russ a lot of credit. Last game I praised him for playing with his team, letting them eat first, and gutting out a tough win. I even said OKC outplayed Houston most the series when Westbrook adopted that mindset. But yes, I will absolutely criticize the guy when he goes away from his teammates and starts throwing up terrible shots rather than going for the best possible shot. I get annoyed at the WB plays with garbage narrative especially when you can watch the games and see his teammates playing well when he includes them and they blow it when he excludes them. Lord help us if Russ ever figures it out. He's already great but could be next level with a little more trust down the stretch.

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                        • ojandpizza
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Apr 2011
                          • 29807

                          #657
                          Re: 2017 Western Conference Playoffs - 1st Round Discussion Thread

                          Originally posted by jfsolo
                          (It's my opinion that no star would want to go there now anyway, see Bryant, Kobe for historical precedent) he's going to need to figure something out.

                          Why would this be comparable to Kobe and why would no other star what to play with the player who literally accounts for more of his teams assists than any player in the last 20ish seasons has?

                          A player who needs to dribble and ISO all game, like another Durant, realistically might never win the anything. But for someone who can move, who can shoot, who can flourish without taking multiple dribbles, for example Klay Thomson type of player, Westbrook would literally be the best player in the league for them to play with.



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                          • Boltman
                            L.A. to S.D. to HI
                            • Mar 2004
                            • 18283

                            #658
                            Re: 2017 Western Conference Playoffs - 1st Round Discussion Thread

                            Y'all wrong for trying to defend Russ' teammates, they trash and everyone knows.

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                            • DamnYanks2
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Jun 2007
                              • 20794

                              #659
                              Re: 2017 Western Conference Playoffs - 1st Round Discussion Thread

                              Lol I don't see it Streets, there is a reason Westbrook takes it upon himself. He has limited contributors.

                              If Westbrook leaves the game for five minutes, OKC gets even more stagnant, and can't figure out how to get off a good shot.

                              Harden has guys all over the perimeter that can just light it up, not to mention Gordon and Lou can create.

                              Westbrook doesn't have shooters point blank. Oladipo and Roberson out there at the same time, it's a nightmare.

                              Houston is the superior team by far, that's all I'm saying. Harden is great and makes that thing go, but it's undeniable he has better pieces, and a better system.

                              That's all.

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                              • dubcity
                                Hall Of Fame
                                • May 2012
                                • 17874

                                #660
                                Re: 2017 Western Conference Playoffs - 1st Round Discussion Thread

                                That was an ugly game from both MVP candidates. Just bad.

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