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  • jeremym480
    Speak it into existence
    • Oct 2008
    • 18198

    #3691
    Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

    Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
    I knew what was up when that report about Cavs players telling Jimmy Butler not to come to Cleveland came out.

    You got a team with Lebron James, that's a guarantee NBA Finals trip every year, and it's players telling you NOT to come? They know what's up with next year and now Kyrie has as well.

    Golden State got the whole league shook. Like they're 50 Cent and the rest of the NBA is Ja Rule back in 2002.
    What sucks for Bulls fans is that Kyrie was probably the one to tell Butler not to force his way to Cleveland because he wanted to join Butler in Chicago next offseason. That's speculation, but if that was the case (which I think it was since Minnesota is on his list) then GarPax really screwed up.
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    • Hassan Darkside
      We Here
      • Sep 2003
      • 7561

      #3692
      Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

      Perhaps pertinent to this convo is someone on Reddit with a lot of time on their hands estimated how valuable LeBron is to the Cavs (Spoilered for Length):

      Spoiler

      "TL;DR: Dan Gilbert suffered a $40m loss, $27m of that coming from luxury taxes last season. Lebron increased team revenue by $88M from the highest grossing year without him to today. Outside of the stadium Lebron is responsible for $18,265,500 in spending during the season in downtown Cleveland, and $113,400,000 during playoffs. Dan Gilbert owns the Cavaliers and is the largest investor into downtown Cleveland to the tune of over $1B and 12 businesses.
      Lebron has brought in about $219,665,500 a year just by coming back home.

      Why would Dan Gilbert and the organization hop, jump, and skip to please Lebron, even to the point of paying exorbitant luxury taxes to sign his friends? Well, the proof is in the numbers. No king has been this profitable since Midas."
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      • ProfessaPackMan
        Bamma
        • Mar 2008
        • 63852

        #3693
        Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

        The city of Cleveland got their first professional sports championship in 50+ years.

        They'll take mediocre teams/attendance if that's was the payoff for finally winning one, especially in the fashion they got it.
        #RespectTheCulture

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        • jeebs9
          Fear is the Unknown
          • Oct 2008
          • 47565

          #3694
          Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

          Originally posted by King_B_Mack
          Maybe....now just hear me out. Maybe he's tired of being LeBron's trash teammate when they lose and then an after thought to Bron when they win. Just throwing that out there.


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          This is the only thing I could think of myself. But I don't know where these kind of thoughts can come from. Because the other side of this is basically going back to losing. If he's traded to the Knicks they ****ing suck. Heat lose too much even though Spo got them to the 9th spot. Spurs make sense... But what do they have to trade.

          I'm confused.... I seriously need a drink. Like someone said already. The only person who benfits from this trade are the Warriors.
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          • ProfessaPackMan
            Bamma
            • Mar 2008
            • 63852

            #3695
            Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

            Originally posted by Hassan Darkside
            Perhaps pertinent to this convo is someone on Reddit with a lot of time on their hands estimated how valuable LeBron is to the Cavs (Spoilered for Length):

            Spoiler

            "TL;DR: Dan Gilbert suffered a $40m loss, $27m of that coming from luxury taxes last season. Lebron increased team revenue by $88M from the highest grossing year without him to today. Outside of the stadium Lebron is responsible for $18,265,500 in spending during the season in downtown Cleveland, and $113,400,000 during playoffs. Dan Gilbert owns the Cavaliers and is the largest investor into downtown Cleveland to the tune of over $1B and 12 businesses.
            Lebron has brought in about $219,665,500 a year just by coming back home.

            Why would Dan Gilbert and the organization hop, jump, and skip to please Lebron, even to the point of paying exorbitant luxury taxes to sign his friends? Well, the proof is in the numbers. No king has been this profitable since Midas."
            Translation: There will be no tears shed for Dan Gilbert whatsoever.
            #RespectTheCulture

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            • wco81
              Banned
              • Jul 2002
              • 3305

              #3696
              Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

              Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
              The city of Cleveland got their first professional sports championship in 50+ years.

              They'll take mediocre teams/attendance if that's was the payoff for finally winning one, especially in the fashion they got it.
              What, having the league intervene so they wouldn't lose 4-1?

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              • wco81
                Banned
                • Jul 2002
                • 3305

                #3697
                Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

                Originally posted by jeebs9
                This is the only thing I could think of myself. But I don't know where these kind of thoughts can come from. Because the other side of this is basically going back to losing. If he's traded to the Knicks they ****ing suck. Heat lose too much even though Spo got them to the 9th spot. Spurs make sense... But what do they have to trade.

                I'm confused.... I seriously need a drink. Like someone said already. The only person who benfits from this trade are the Warriors.
                Other EC contenders won't benefit?

                The team to which he's traded won't benefit?

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                • King_B_Mack
                  All Star
                  • Jan 2009
                  • 24450

                  #3698
                  Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

                  Originally posted by jeremym480
                  What sucks for Bulls fans is that Kyrie was probably the one to tell Butler not to force his way to Cleveland because he wanted to join Butler in Chicago next offseason. That's speculation, but if that was the case (which I think it was since Minnesota is on his list) then GarPax really screwed up.


                  We didn't have nothing to trade anyway, but this is exactly the type of thing I was talking about not wanting them to trade Butler. That and I don't believe those two idiots are capable of pulling off this rebuild.


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                  • ojandpizza
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                    • Apr 2011
                    • 29807

                    #3699
                    Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

                    Originally posted by jeebs9
                    That's why none of this makes any sense at all!!



                    Knicks have nothing

                    Wolves read the above

                    Heat have value. But are they stupid enough to gut the team for one player

                    Spurs same as the above line. And Pops isn't going to let him dribble the air out of the ball.



                    LeBron is saying he's coming back no matter who his teammates lol



                    Look if Kyrie is traded to a West team I'm going to throw up.


                    Heat would be gutting the team by trading a couple of non all-stars to get an All Star? I disagree with that.

                    Originally posted by King_B_Mack
                    Maybe....now just hear me out. Maybe he's tired of being LeBron's trash teammate when they lose and then an after thought to Bron when they win. Just throwing that out there.


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                    Ain't nobody called Kyrie trash though.



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                    • jeebs9
                      Fear is the Unknown
                      • Oct 2008
                      • 47565

                      #3700
                      Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

                      Originally posted by wco81
                      Other EC contenders won't benefit?

                      The team to which he's traded won't benefit?
                      Kyrie gets traded to any teams the Warriors are just going to run East over. Kyrie isn't a power move in my opinion. He's not going to overwhelming change a team. He's a iso player that has the ball in his hands a lot. What team is going to go to the Championship with that kind of play. I'm not saying he's a bad player. Like OJ said. Kyrie is one of 4 players that take 30 shots a game. Going to another team and lose or barely make the playoffs.
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                      • ProfessaPackMan
                        Bamma
                        • Mar 2008
                        • 63852

                        #3701
                        Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

                        This just gave some life to the Offseason(as far message boards talking about this) for another day or two at most, since we were just pulling into the "Dead Zone" portion of the NBA Offseason.
                        #RespectTheCulture

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                        • King_B_Mack
                          All Star
                          • Jan 2009
                          • 24450

                          #3702
                          Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

                          Originally posted by ojandpizza
                          Heat would be gutting the team by trading a couple of non all-stars to get an All Star? I disagree with that.




                          Ain't nobody called Kyrie trash though.



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                          Nobody has specifically singled out Kyrie and called him trash, but it's implied every time they lose that LeBron is trying to do everything by himself. The narrative of this past Finals turned into LeBron out there trying to beat the super Warriors by himself. Kyrie is a man with pride like everybody else even if people don't mean him, that's probably how he's taking it.


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                          • Jeffx
                            MVP
                            • Jan 2007
                            • 3045

                            #3703
                            Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

                            Originally posted by ojandpizza
                            What stumps me is the "bigger role" comment. They literally let him do whatever he wants when he has the ball, LeBron included. The dude will try to cross his man 4 or 5 times before shooting and is likely the league leader in half court dribbles. He's one of only like 4 players to take 20 shots a night last year. How much more usage can you possibly get when all you're a threat to do is dribble and shoot? Even Westbrook, Harden are making twice as many plays for other players. Does this dude just really want to be the ultimate ball-hog type of player? Go be a worse version of Iverson/Kobe somewhere? And he thinks that will fly with Pop? lol
                            Exactly. It'll fly here in NY of course, but in San Antonio? Pop will shut that down real quick.

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                            • jeebs9
                              Fear is the Unknown
                              • Oct 2008
                              • 47565

                              #3704
                              Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

                              Originally posted by ojandpizza
                              Heat would be gutting the team by trading a couple of non all-stars to get an All Star? I disagree with that.




                              Ain't nobody called Kyrie trash though.



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                              What I'm saying is that Kyrie would be in a losing situation again. He would go from playoff finals team to Team that might make it to playoffs. He also be playing wit Waiters again.
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                              • Boltman
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                                • Mar 2004
                                • 18283

                                #3705
                                Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

                                I can't wait to see how this all pans out.

                                Cleveland about to go back to Craig Ehlo, Brad Daugherty era.

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