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Re: 2017 Offseason Thread
So enjoy being capped out with no draft picks with just Paul George and Ingram? You need more than 1 All Star caliber player to compete.
They wouldn't even be as good as the Knicks were when they traded for Carmelo. They should just wait it out for one season to get Paul George."Ma'am I don't make the rules up. I just think them up and write em down". - Cartman
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Re: 2017 Offseason Thread
The Indiana Pacers are getting out of the Paul George business. Well, more accurately, he told them he’s getting out of the Pacers business in the summer of 2018, so Indiana is now hunting around looking for trade partners to get something before he walks.
Most of the speculation has focused on Cleveland going after him to pair with LeBron James, or the Lakers making a move to get him because he wants to come there as a free agent in 2018 anyway.
Pacers GM Kevin Pritchard isn’t limiting himself — he’s going to talk to 29 other teams, and the one with the best offer wins. That simple. It’s all bottom line. Pritchard doesn’t care where George wants to go, stuck in a bad situation the Pacers are gong to get the best deal they can and do it quickly.
Pacers asking teams for ideas on potential PG trades, per sources, as they have for a while. Ideally: 2 firsts+starter. Teams obv skittish.
— David Aldridge (@daldridgetnt) June 19, 2017
Sense from teams talking to IND is that Pacers intend to move fast on a PG deal.
— Zach Lowe (@ZachLowe_NBA) June 19, 2017
That best deal may not come from Cleveland or Los Angeles, there may be a team that thinks with a year in their culture they can win him over the long term and are willing to pay a little more for the opportunity — although probably not as much as the Pacers are asking.
Still, let’s take a closer look at the two teams most rumored.
The Lakers have little incentive to put together a deal that gives up something of value because George’s people have already let it be known he plans to go there as a free agent next summer. Why spend now?
For those asking about PG, the Lakers have shown no inclination yet of surrendering anything for a player they can get in free agency.
— Ramona Shelburne (@ramonashelburne) June 18, 2017
The one reason for the Lakers to get involved — fear that George will sign somewhere like Cleveland, like it, and decide to stay. Even with that risk, the Lakers don’t want to give up much — they could try to dump one of the bad Luol Deng/Timofey Mozgov contracts, plus throw in someone they see fitting long term (such as Julius Randle), but the Lakers don’t have picks to throw around, they don’t have a tradable first rounder until 2020.
It makes sense for Cleveland to try and get in the sweepstakes — they need an upgrade, and better play on the wings, to compete with Golden State. The Cavs are as win now as it gets and should go all in here. They may, and they have no concern about just renting George, reports Dave McMenamin of ESPN:
The Cavs are willing to enter into trade talks for George without any assurances he will commit to a long-term deal in Cleveland, a source familiar with the Cavs’ thinking told ESPN. Cleveland is confident its championship culture and overall atmosphere could sway George to want to stay after playing out the 2017-18 season on the final year of his deal.
The bigger question for the Cavaliers: What can they give up that Indiana wants? They don’t have young players on the bench the rebuilding Pacers want, and it’s years befoe Cleveland has picks they can send out. They also are not trading away Kyrie Irving.
The name that comes up? Kevin Love. First off, this is not fair to Love who has worked hard and improved his game each year he has been in Cleveland — and he played hard and as well as could be expected in the Finals. The problem is, the Warriors are a beast, one that Love does not match up well against. The questions are, would the Cavs deal Love, and would Indy think Love and filler works for them? Trade George and the Pacers are in rebuilding mode, they would need to flip Love to get the kind of young player and picks needed to get on that path.
If another team comes with a better offer, the Pacers will take it. They are trying to make the best of a terrible situation, they don’t care where the offer comes from. They may even be a little patient, but the market for a rent-a-player is never all that high.
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I say trade for George now. People keep saying no because they don't want to lose the "young core" but the young core hasn't done anything for them.
Why wait a year and possibly lose out on him? Yeah he said he wants to be in Los Angeles but what if he goes somewhere else and changes his mind? Why take that chance?
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What are you even talking about? Capped out? The Lakers are on the hook for 83 million right now before PG. The cap is 101 million next season. If all that goes from their side in a trade is say Randle and picks they're salary after the trade would be around 98.41 million next season. Without factoring in Randle's salary or whatever PG would re-up for with the Lakers, their 2018/19 salary would be as of right now 40,935,866. Even if he signed a deal that started him around 25 million that season that's still only 65 million dollars in salaries for a year that the cap is more than likely going to be about 104 million.
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If Indy wants to trade PG to Cleveland on a rental they're going to have to be able to take a Thompson+Shump trade or something. Swapping Love for PG doesn't make Cleveland any better, and they aren't trading that asset for a 1 year rental. Surely not.
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George could still leave in FA next summer the same way he could decide to stay in Cleveland or wherever if he ends up getting traded there.
Lakers are on the record saying they aren't trading any of the young core for him and I tottally respect that. Now if they can work up a deal involving Clarkson or even Randle I'd be ok too.Comment
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If the Lakers want George they absolutely need to trade for him now. If a contender lands him he can keep signing these 1+1 year type of deals and stick around for a few seasons and still end up in LAL whenever he decides he wants to. But if he gets on a contender and is competing for championships I guarantee he sticks around for longer than just 1 season.
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Could Toronto possibly put something together for him?
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If you can guarantee he's coming in a year, sure. You can't do that though so by waiting you're adding a ton of variables to the situation. He could go to the Cavs, decide he likes playing with Bron and for chips and stay. Indy could refuse to trade him, he could make All NBA next year and decide that he'd rather take the DPE deal that's worth about 70ms more. He could go to Boston and, rightfully, come to the conclusion that their future is brighter and decide to stay. These are just the foreseeable things that could happen. Stuff could happen that we haven't even thought of yet.NFL - Vikings
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Re: 2017 Offseason Thread
In hindsight, the Melo trade, in and of itself, wasn't that bad. It gets painted with a broad brush because a)the Nuggets won 57 games the next season and b) the Knicks subsequent moves were all terrible.
Mosgov
Gallinari
Raymond Felton
Wilson Chandler
the pick that eventually turned into Dario Saric
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