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Players less skilled or is the defense better.
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Re: Players less skilled or is the defense better.
Originally posted by nbasuperstar40Not true, I seen these players shoot in person and i know they can shoot, FROM experiance, when your playing tenenious D, you are alot more tired on the offensive end of the court. PLAYING GREAT Defense is ALOT harder then GREAT OFFENSE.
BTW that bogus statement about tenacious D... which player is this you're talking about?Comment
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Re: Players less skilled or is the defense better.
Originally posted by nbasuperstar40Not true, I seen these players shoot in person and i know they can shoot, FROM experiance, when your playing tenenious D, you are alot more tired on the offensive end of the court. PLAYING GREAT Defense is ALOT harder then GREAT OFFENSE.
BTW that bogus statement about tenacious D... which player is this you're talking about?Comment
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Re: Players less skilled or is the defense better.
Originally posted by KDREPlayers dont shoot as well now.
Their aren't as many mid range shooters as it used to be.
Players, lots of them lack basic fundamentals.
There are players in the L now who would never have been able to stand with the likes of the 70-80's players. They would simply not make the team.
You can name players now off the head who are no more than athletic freaks or tall, who can't shoot a lick, or play very well, but get paid big money.
JVG doesnt have a decent O system, yet claim its the D. no way... Teams also ran more back then.
BAM! Right there!Comment
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Re: Players less skilled or is the defense better.
Originally posted by KDREPlayers dont shoot as well now.
Their aren't as many mid range shooters as it used to be.
Players, lots of them lack basic fundamentals.
There are players in the L now who would never have been able to stand with the likes of the 70-80's players. They would simply not make the team.
You can name players now off the head who are no more than athletic freaks or tall, who can't shoot a lick, or play very well, but get paid big money.
JVG doesnt have a decent O system, yet claim its the D. no way... Teams also ran more back then.
BAM! Right there!Comment
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Re: Players less skilled or is the defense better.
Originally posted by Yosemite DanWhile the game doesn't look as pretty as it once did I think that the best teams from the 80's would not compete well with the best teams of today. The rough and tumble Pistons of the early 90's started the trend that is the style of play today. They weren't the most talented team up front but opposing teams would pay a price in the paint. The Celts and the Lakers played a fundamentally sound game back then but I think if they played now they would be bounced around quite a bit because players now are stronger and wider and the guards faster. Could you really see Kareem and McHale being as successful now as they were then with the amount of abuse they would be subjected to from the behemoths around them.
Even Jordan packed on 20 pounds of muscle to use the extra strength to compete in the 90's. The lankier Jordan of the 80's would have a hard time being as successful.
If it's debatable that today's player is more skilled there can be no doubt that today's player is more athletic. I hate to admit it being a big fan of the golden 80"s but they look like they play in slow motion compared to now. Some of those Dr J highlight plays that I used to marvel at are done on a nightly basis these days.
I guess there isn't any sport today where the athletes aren't superior to their predecessors as strength and conditioning are very important now to athletes.
As for the olympic team it was more of a case of a group of individuals rather than working as a team. If the U.S had picked thier best niche players instead of Nike spokesman they would have won handily.Comment
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Re: Players less skilled or is the defense better.
Originally posted by Yosemite DanWhile the game doesn't look as pretty as it once did I think that the best teams from the 80's would not compete well with the best teams of today. The rough and tumble Pistons of the early 90's started the trend that is the style of play today. They weren't the most talented team up front but opposing teams would pay a price in the paint. The Celts and the Lakers played a fundamentally sound game back then but I think if they played now they would be bounced around quite a bit because players now are stronger and wider and the guards faster. Could you really see Kareem and McHale being as successful now as they were then with the amount of abuse they would be subjected to from the behemoths around them.
Even Jordan packed on 20 pounds of muscle to use the extra strength to compete in the 90's. The lankier Jordan of the 80's would have a hard time being as successful.
If it's debatable that today's player is more skilled there can be no doubt that today's player is more athletic. I hate to admit it being a big fan of the golden 80"s but they look like they play in slow motion compared to now. Some of those Dr J highlight plays that I used to marvel at are done on a nightly basis these days.
I guess there isn't any sport today where the athletes aren't superior to their predecessors as strength and conditioning are very important now to athletes.
As for the olympic team it was more of a case of a group of individuals rather than working as a team. If the U.S had picked thier best niche players instead of Nike spokesman they would have won handily.Comment
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Re: Players less skilled or is the defense better.
Originally posted by nbasuperstar40Not true, I seen these players shoot in person and i know they can shoot, FROM experiance, when your playing tenenious D, you are alot more tired on the offensive end of the court. PLAYING GREAT Defense is ALOT harder then GREAT OFFENSE.Comment
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Re: Players less skilled or is the defense better.
Originally posted by nbasuperstar40Not true, I seen these players shoot in person and i know they can shoot, FROM experiance, when your playing tenenious D, you are alot more tired on the offensive end of the court. PLAYING GREAT Defense is ALOT harder then GREAT OFFENSE.Comment
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Re: Players less skilled or is the defense better.
Of course defense is better today. There is little motion on offense. When you have more players concentrating on an isolation offense, you don't need to do too much on defense but collapse on the ball-handler and clog the lane.
In the 80's, teams ran the ball and passed frequently. You couldn't just concentrate on one player because the ball was always in someone else's hand.
Just watch the NBA today. Teams find an open man either on an offensive rebound or through ball movement. But, you see teams waste their shot clock when they run iso with their best scorer because the scorer is trying to get open the entire time.
Wasting shot clock leads to fewer possessions. Fewer possessions equals lower scores.
In addition, because players are reluctant to pass the ball they attempt three pointers. Watch basketball in the 80's and look at where the guards stood when moving the ball around. Now watch the guards in today's game. They have moved farther back because they use the three point line as a guide to where they are suppose to stand on offense. How can you expect to have a good flow on offense when the guards concentrate themselves in one region? Then you rid of the mid-range jump shot because defenders just stand in-between the three point line and the paint.
I will agree that shooting percentages are affected by tighter D, but I won't agree that defense is the sole reason why players are poor shooters. Players in the 80's shot better because they drove the lane and moved the ball around to find an open shooter. If the players of today cared more about team instead of their individual stats, we'd see better shooting percentage as well."It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace
"You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob NeyerComment
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Re: Players less skilled or is the defense better.
Of course defense is better today. There is little motion on offense. When you have more players concentrating on an isolation offense, you don't need to do too much on defense but collapse on the ball-handler and clog the lane.
In the 80's, teams ran the ball and passed frequently. You couldn't just concentrate on one player because the ball was always in someone else's hand.
Just watch the NBA today. Teams find an open man either on an offensive rebound or through ball movement. But, you see teams waste their shot clock when they run iso with their best scorer because the scorer is trying to get open the entire time.
Wasting shot clock leads to fewer possessions. Fewer possessions equals lower scores.
In addition, because players are reluctant to pass the ball they attempt three pointers. Watch basketball in the 80's and look at where the guards stood when moving the ball around. Now watch the guards in today's game. They have moved farther back because they use the three point line as a guide to where they are suppose to stand on offense. How can you expect to have a good flow on offense when the guards concentrate themselves in one region? Then you rid of the mid-range jump shot because defenders just stand in-between the three point line and the paint.
I will agree that shooting percentages are affected by tighter D, but I won't agree that defense is the sole reason why players are poor shooters. Players in the 80's shot better because they drove the lane and moved the ball around to find an open shooter. If the players of today cared more about team instead of their individual stats, we'd see better shooting percentage as well."It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace
"You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob NeyerComment
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Can somebody tell me why scoring is up so far this year?Last edited by mvb34; 11-27-2004, 02:12 PM.Comment
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Re: Players less skilled or is the defense better.
Can somebody tell me why scoring is up so far this year?Comment
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Re: Players less skilled or is the defense better.
Originally posted by mvb34Can somebody tell me why scoring is up so far this year?Comment
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Re: Players less skilled or is the defense better.
Originally posted by mvb34Can somebody tell me why scoring is up so far this year?Comment
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