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  • Skins4Life
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    • Jul 2002
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    Stern officially not fining the Pistons organization




    Word to wise guys

    Stern treatment for foul fans



    Here's a heads-up to all the hotheads out in Detroit and Indianapolis who live to heckle players and coaches and freely use profanity: Starting Jan. 1, you had better watch your language.

    While David Stern continues to take steps to introduce a code of conduct for fans in the wake of the Detroit riot, league officials say that rules presently on the books governing fans' language and behavior are going to be enforced as never before, starting on New Year's Day.


    "We do have rules on the books about how to deal with fans who use excessive profanity," deputy commissioner Russ Granik said Friday. "We've had fans taken out of the arenas who have gone over the line. But we have to take a whole new look at everything."


    This is not a league-wide problem. It's mostly a Detroit problem, with Indiana and Sacramento also needing some tighter security. Stern says, "I'm not singling out any one city" and in announcing the suspensions Nov. 21, he failed to do that by not penalizing the Pistons. He should have hit them with a $1 million fine for negligence and a litany of previous problems, all involving failure to keep their fans in line. It's hard to imagine that Stern allowed his long-standing relationship with Detroit owner Bill Davidson to cloud his judgment, but he missed a chance to force the Pistons to clean up the inappropriately named Palace.


    "I considered it," Stern said of a fine. "But I thought it was more important to penalize the players."


    Having done that, he has turned his attention to security, league-wide. Detroit, Indiana and Sacramento are the first arenas where the present "one-warning system" really needs to be enforced. It's been on the books, but rarely used. But it's at the top of the list of rules that are going to be enforced, according to those familiar with the league's security plans.


    When fans get out of line verbally with players, coaches or refs, rules state that they are to be given one warning by a security person to "cease and desist." That occurred in last month's Knicks-Celtics game at the Garden, when a fan who was sitting next to the Celtics bench and was riding Gary Payton pretty hard was given a warning. He complied. If he had not, and had been approached by security a second time, he would have been removed from the arena.


    Under the current rules, a second ejection from the arena in the same season results in the ticket-holder losing his seat for the remainder of the season. In a case where a season-ticket holder has given tickets to a friend and the friend is guilty of breaking the heckling/profanity rules, the season-ticket holder would still be the one penalized.


    The enforcement of those rules is what Stern talked about when he handed down the suspensions and said that security must be "aggressive" to make sure that fans "don't react badly."


    They never react that badly in 90% of the league's arenas, anyway. But just the same, the Garden has beefed up its security in the lower bowl down at courtside in an effort to prevent any trouble. During Knicks games, green-jacketed security guards now sit at the foot of every aisle leading down to the court, even those across from the benches. During play, they sit with their backs to the court, watching fans. During stoppages, they have been instructed to walk up the stairs to the area where fans can first enter the lower-bowl seats. There, they refuse to let anyone down who doesn't have a ticket.


    While those measures should go a long way to preventing trouble in New York, one area in which the league is sure to encounter resistance from its own teams involves beer sales. Some arenas, like the Meadowlands, cut off sales after three quarters. "Forget about cutting back on beer sales," said one league official. "That's where these teams make their money. They're not going to cut back when they can charge $7.50 (a beer) in some places."

    Kidd's odds and end


    With Jason Kidd returning to action, the meter is officially running on when the Nets deal him to a new team. Handicapping where Kidd will be sent before the Feb. 24 trading deadline:


    Team (Odds):

    Minnesota (5-1)
    Comment: T-Wolves might have to get a third team involved, so that the Nets come away with the young starter they seek.


    Dallas (7-1)
    Comment: Mavs have more assets than any team, starting with Devin Harris, Marquis Daniels and Josh Howard, but aren't in love with Kidd's long-term deal.


    Portland (12-1)
    Comment: Blazers want Kidd more than Kidd wants Portland.


    Denver (15-1)
    Comment: Nets have to think long and hard whether they'd take Andre Miller and Nene.


    Sacramento (40-1)
    Comment: If you're the Kings and time is running out in the Chris Webber era, would you give up Peja Stojakovic? Heck, why not?


    Lakers (50-1)
    Comment: A Kobe-Kidd backcourt doesn't begin to address the lack of a superstar up front.


    Slam Dunks



    Herb Brown, Atlanta assistant and older brother of Larry, had his new book, "Let's Talk Defense!" hit bookstores recently. "It's my view on how to play defense - just what we're not doing," said Brown with a laugh. "I haven't gotten it across to our guys." With that collection of Hawks, who can? . . . Already without Jamal Mashburn and Baron Davis, the Hornets were well on their way down Lottery Road. Now they have also lost their center Jamaal Magloire, for three months with a broken finger. He had played in 11 games, averaging 14 points and nine rebounds. . . . The fact that the NBA has gone to federal court to make sure the suspensions of Ron Artest, Stephen Jackson and Jermaine O'Neal stand up tells you how critical this case is to David Stern.

    It's hard to imagine that Jerry West is going to stick around with the Grizzlies after this season, with his power base shrinking. West, who had total power with the Lakers, is clearly not in charge in Memphis. Sources say he wanted to hire Eric Musselman as head coach to succeed Hubie Brown. Despite Musselman's losing record (75-89) with the Warriors, West is one of Musselman's biggest backers. But Grizzlies owner Michael Heisley wanted Mike Fratello to get the job. In a compromise that West can't like, Musselman is Fratello's No. 1 assistant.

    Charlotte's Steve Smith has seen a lot of great big men in 14 seasons. Does Smith think rookie Emeka Okafor can be a foundation player for the Bobcats? "Back when I came in, and you were the first or second pick overall, you could do everything. You were supposed to do everything. Now, it's different. It remains to be seen if he can dominate like a Kevin Garnett or a Tim Duncan. . . . He can score, but it's not the typical big-man way, where he draws the double-team and commands the double-team."
    I thought these two lines were classic


    It's mostly a Detroit problem, with Indiana and Sacramento also needing some tighter security. Stern says, "I'm not singling out any one city

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    He doesn't want to single out any one city? You just did you stupid f*ck! Somebody needs to get the NBA a press agent to save Stern from himself.
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  • stAte
    Pro
    • Feb 2004
    • 591

    #2
    Re: Stern officially not fining the Pistons organization

    Originally posted by Skins4Life

    He doesn't want to single out any one city? You just did you stupid f*ck! Somebody needs to get the NBA a press agent to save Stern from himself.
    This teaches the cities that getting involved with the opposing players can end up benefitting your team. So why not go for it? Stupid message sent by Stern.
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    • stAte
      Pro
      • Feb 2004
      • 591

      #3
      Re: Stern officially not fining the Pistons organization

      Originally posted by Skins4Life

      He doesn't want to single out any one city? You just did you stupid f*ck! Somebody needs to get the NBA a press agent to save Stern from himself.
      This teaches the cities that getting involved with the opposing players can end up benefitting your team. So why not go for it? Stupid message sent by Stern.
      FAN OF: Georgetown Hoyas, DC United, Cincinnati Bengals, St. Louis Cardinals, West Ham United, Arkansas State Indians, and Memphis Grizzlies

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      • bergie56
        T*rg*t F**ld
        • Mar 2004
        • 3984

        #4
        Re: Stern officially not fining the Pistons organization

        This is rediculous. Detroit has benefitted so much from this, they had their largest competition reduced to nothing and they are getting off scot free. They should be fined for not having proper security and should be held liable for something. David Stern is a joke

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        • bergie56
          T*rg*t F**ld
          • Mar 2004
          • 3984

          #5
          Re: Stern officially not fining the Pistons organization

          This is rediculous. Detroit has benefitted so much from this, they had their largest competition reduced to nothing and they are getting off scot free. They should be fined for not having proper security and should be held liable for something. David Stern is a joke

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          • Streets
            Supreme
            • Aug 2004
            • 5787

            #6
            Re: Stern officially not fining the Pistons organization

            Originally posted by bergie56
            This is rediculous. Detroit has benefitted so much from this, they had their largest competition reduced to nothing and they are getting off scot free. They should be fined for not having proper security and should be held liable for something. David Stern is a joke
            Pacers = 10-7
            Pistons = 8-8

            The Pistons are a joke right now.

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            • Streets
              Supreme
              • Aug 2004
              • 5787

              #7
              Re: Stern officially not fining the Pistons organization

              Originally posted by bergie56
              This is rediculous. Detroit has benefitted so much from this, they had their largest competition reduced to nothing and they are getting off scot free. They should be fined for not having proper security and should be held liable for something. David Stern is a joke
              Pacers = 10-7
              Pistons = 8-8

              The Pistons are a joke right now.

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              • stAte
                Pro
                • Feb 2004
                • 591

                #8
                Re: Stern officially not fining the Pistons organization

                Originally posted by bergie56
                This is rediculous. Detroit has benefitted so much from this, they had their largest competition reduced to nothing and they are getting off scot free. They should be fined for not having proper security and should be held liable for something. David Stern is a joke
                Exactly. If I were another organization I would almost want to follow suit. I mean would it not help Orlando if they could get both Dwayne Wade and Shaw out for a long time? It's sadly in their best interest because of David Stern
                FAN OF: Georgetown Hoyas, DC United, Cincinnati Bengals, St. Louis Cardinals, West Ham United, Arkansas State Indians, and Memphis Grizzlies

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                • stAte
                  Pro
                  • Feb 2004
                  • 591

                  #9
                  Re: Stern officially not fining the Pistons organization

                  Originally posted by bergie56
                  This is rediculous. Detroit has benefitted so much from this, they had their largest competition reduced to nothing and they are getting off scot free. They should be fined for not having proper security and should be held liable for something. David Stern is a joke
                  Exactly. If I were another organization I would almost want to follow suit. I mean would it not help Orlando if they could get both Dwayne Wade and Shaw out for a long time? It's sadly in their best interest because of David Stern
                  FAN OF: Georgetown Hoyas, DC United, Cincinnati Bengals, St. Louis Cardinals, West Ham United, Arkansas State Indians, and Memphis Grizzlies

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                  • Skins4Life
                    MVP
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 2286

                    #10
                    Re: Stern officially not fining the Pistons organization

                    After re-reading the article, it was the writer, not Stern, who singled out Detroit, Indiana, and Sacramento.

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                    • Skins4Life
                      MVP
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 2286

                      #11
                      Re: Stern officially not fining the Pistons organization

                      After re-reading the article, it was the writer, not Stern, who singled out Detroit, Indiana, and Sacramento.

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                      • Shaver
                        Legend
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 10148

                        #12
                        Re: Stern officially not fining the Pistons organization

                        He should have hit them with a $1 million fine for negligence and a litany of previous problems, all involving failure to keep their fans in line. It's hard to imagine that Stern allowed his long-standing relationship with Detroit owner Bill Davidson to cloud his judgment, but he missed a chance to force the Pistons to clean up the inappropriately named Palace.
                        This "writer" is a tool. There are ZERO documented incidents at the Palace prior to that Friday. The Palace was voted by the players the best arena to play at (not including your own) last season. Even Artest's alleged previous time of getting hit with something in Detroit was never reported.

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                        • Shaver
                          Legend
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 10148

                          #13
                          Re: Stern officially not fining the Pistons organization

                          He should have hit them with a $1 million fine for negligence and a litany of previous problems, all involving failure to keep their fans in line. It's hard to imagine that Stern allowed his long-standing relationship with Detroit owner Bill Davidson to cloud his judgment, but he missed a chance to force the Pistons to clean up the inappropriately named Palace.
                          This "writer" is a tool. There are ZERO documented incidents at the Palace prior to that Friday. The Palace was voted by the players the best arena to play at (not including your own) last season. Even Artest's alleged previous time of getting hit with something in Detroit was never reported.

                          Bandwagon hoppin' fraud...slow sports day at the NY Daily...
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                          • Skins4Life
                            MVP
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 2286

                            #14
                            Re: Stern officially not fining the Pistons organization

                            Originally posted by Clay_OS
                            This "writer" is a tool. There are ZERO documented incidents at the Palace prior to that Friday. The Palace was voted by the players the best arena to play at (not including your own) last season. Even Artest's alleged previous time of getting hit with something in Detroit was never reported.

                            Bandwagon hoppin' fraud...slow sports day at the NY Daily...
                            Really? I never knew that. I remember reading some guys did a sports tour of all the stadiums in the NBA and I thought conseco did well but I never really heard much more than that.

                            As for security, I think it is unfair to say that there wasnt enough. In hindsight security leaves to watch the fans in the parking lot when there is a blow out, so I dont think its fair to blame them. I do think someone has to be responsible for all those people that got on the court so easily, but like has been said many times that was a crazy incident and had to be a pain inthe *** to control.

                            As for the fine, I still think the Pistons should be forced to play a home game with out any fans or something like that. I just dont see the deterent that will stop the next set of drunken fans from following suit.

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                            • Skins4Life
                              MVP
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 2286

                              #15
                              Re: Stern officially not fining the Pistons organization

                              Originally posted by Clay_OS
                              This "writer" is a tool. There are ZERO documented incidents at the Palace prior to that Friday. The Palace was voted by the players the best arena to play at (not including your own) last season. Even Artest's alleged previous time of getting hit with something in Detroit was never reported.

                              Bandwagon hoppin' fraud...slow sports day at the NY Daily...
                              Really? I never knew that. I remember reading some guys did a sports tour of all the stadiums in the NBA and I thought conseco did well but I never really heard much more than that.

                              As for security, I think it is unfair to say that there wasnt enough. In hindsight security leaves to watch the fans in the parking lot when there is a blow out, so I dont think its fair to blame them. I do think someone has to be responsible for all those people that got on the court so easily, but like has been said many times that was a crazy incident and had to be a pain inthe *** to control.

                              As for the fine, I still think the Pistons should be forced to play a home game with out any fans or something like that. I just dont see the deterent that will stop the next set of drunken fans from following suit.

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