2018 Off-Season Thread

[jeebs9]

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I hope he wins Coach of the Year now lmao

Imagine if the Jazz fired Jerry for losing to Jordan twice

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That's exactly what I was saying this morning!! I don't get this basketball world of fire first think second. And here is the kicker for me. (I don't think this is going to happen). But if the Boston gets in the same situation as the Raptors. Then what? Brad Stevens is a bad coach too? That's why I have so much respect for ownership like the Spurs, Utah and Steelers. You got to be behind the coach. But if your winning. You can't decide everything on losing. **** happens....

Yes there is another side to this coin like the Warriors going from Mark Jackson to Steve Kerr. Steve Kerr has obviously brought the Warriors to another level that Jackson couldn't.

[jeebs9]

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I agree, I can understand the basketball world being upset about his firing but it was one of those things that had to happen and it's only the first domino to fall IMO. Unfortunately I hear Ujiri has high interest in "drumroll" Mike Budenholzer UGH. If that's the new coach i'd be one upset fan.



C'mon man, they're not exactly the same thing. Except for one series (and even in that series there were blowouts) the Raptors have been run over by LeBron like they were made out of paper mache. As a fan of those Jazz teams they were at least very competitive and if it wasn't for a couple bad calls and better FT shooting one of those teams could've beaten the Bulls.

But hasn't Boston been run over too?

[SPTO]

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But hasn't Boston been run over too?

Good point but I doubt they will this year. Even if they do I don't think they nearly have the same traumatic experience. Secondly, Casey has been in Toronto since 2011 sometimes the voice gets a bit stale in the room. I'm not exactly thrilled that Casey is gone but at the same time it's probably for the best long term.

[Majingir]

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Fans have wanted Casey gone for a few years now, not just after this series.

He was brought in as a defensive specialist, but it seems like many times, that's what Raptors suck at. Still wouldn't mind one of Lowry/Ibaka traded as well in this offseason.

I'd imagine Stackhouse would be a leading candidate to take over. Although...

https://www.tsn.ca/report-raptors-have-interest-in-budenholzer-1.1082621

All those "Raptors are just another Atlanta Hawks" jokes won't stop if this signing happens.

[SPTO]

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Fans have wanted Casey gone for a few years now, not just after this series.

He was brought in as a defensive specialist, but it seems like many times, that's what Raptors suck at. Still wouldn't mind one of Lowry/Ibaka traded as well in this offseason.

I'd imagine Stackhouse would be a leading candidate to take over. Although...

https://www.tsn.ca/report-raptors-have-interest-in-budenholzer-1.1082621

All those "Raptors are just another Atlanta Hawks" jokes won't stop if this signing happens.

If the Budenholzer thing becomes reality i'm taking a sabbatical from this team for a while. My hopes are completely pinned on Stackhouse. It makes too much sense.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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But hasn't Boston been run over too?

Let me start by saying I don't think Casey was the team's biggest issue and I don't think the new coach will do any better with the Raptors than Casey did.

But, everyone agrees that Boston is an extremely well-coached team. There are a lot of very intelligent basketball analysts that think Toronto has been poorly coached, at least in the playoffs.

Personally, I think the Raptors are a fatally flawed team (in terms of any title aspirations), but if I had to guess, Masai Ujiri knows the team, as constructed, isn't good enough to win a title. He also knows his options to significantly improve the roster's talent is close to zero and knows that if he blows it up, he'll be fired before he has a chance to build it back up. Firing the coach is the best way for him to bring a major shakeup to the team with a chance of improving them in the short-term.

Maybe I'm wrong and there's a magic DeRozan trade out there that will improve the Raptors chances, but I don't really see it personally.

Anyways, I went off on a bit of a tangent, but my main point is that everyone knows Stevens is an amazing coach and Boston is still in the process of building that roster up. Neither of those things is true in the case of Toronto; this set of players has likely peaked overall (obviously some of the young guys could improve, but you figure Ibaka and Lowry are likely to regress a bit too) and there have been questions about Casey as a coach for each of the past 3 or 4 years.

[inkcil]

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If you don't agree with the Casey firing then ask yourself this:

If you are an up and coming team in the East do you want him coaching your team? Should Sixers hire him (if they fire Brown) to get past LeBron and Boston? Should the Pistons? What about the Bucks? Would you have him replace Brooks in Washington? How about Indiana? Would Casey had pushed LeBron to 7 games if he was the coach of the Pacers?

[Majingir]

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Lebron to Dwane Casey:


Coaches fired after losing to Lebron:
Michael Curry in 09(swept 4-0)
Vinny Del Negro in 10(lost 4-1)
Jim Boyland in 13(swept 4-0)
Tim Thibodeau in 15(lost 4-2)
Dwane Casey in 18(swept 4-0)

[ProfessaPackMan]

2017-2018 Off-Season Thread

If the Budenholzer thing becomes reality i'm taking a sabbatical from this team for a while. My hopes are completely pinned on Stackhouse. It makes too much sense.

This makes no sense at all.

You’d rather bypass the guy who’s proven he can actually coach and develop talent with an actual system because of “Well, he coached the Hawks and they have a history of being mediocre so I’ll pass”? And go with the Assistant who for all we know is a Casey Clone because...?

I hope he wins Coach of the Year now lmao

Imagine if the Jazz fired Jerry for losing to Jordan twice

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I mean y’all did choose this guy over Sloan though.



Luckily y’all found an idiot to dump him on and replaced him with 7 good years of Hayward, which in turn translated into few good/great years of Mitchell.

Y’all some lucky mofos, lol

[cima]

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Casey's firing was long overdue, it's the simple definition of insanity. They need a new voice and they need better veteran leaders.

Can't keep rewarding dudes (letting them keep their jobs) when they aren't producing results. He had 7 years to try and he didn't get the job done. His playoffs resume is very unimpressive, compiling a 21-30 record overall in the 4 seasons he's coached his team to the playoffs.

At the same time, players are apart of the problem too. Lowry and DeRozan are not guys that should be leading the team, you don't get the nickname "Trash Bros" for no good reason.

[Majingir]

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Whoever is the coach next season, if there isn't any different results in the playoffs, then all the guys with expiring deals should be traded. Sure they do have big contracts, but I'm sure it'd be much easier to deal those guys with 1 year remaining on their contract.

Turn that 3 year window into a 2 year window + 1 year rebuild if needed.

[cima]

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Warriors in talk w/ Klay Thompson for team-friendly contract extension that would keep him off the market. https://theathletic.com/350689/2018/...ff-the-market/

Seriously, **** these guys and their sacrificing, lol. He'd be leaving $50 mil on the table!

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Warriors News per ProBasketballTalk:

Klay Thompson wants to stay with the Warriors. More specifically, he wants to stay with the dominant Warriors who have Stephen Curry, Kevin Durant and Draymond Green.

So, Thompson might put his money where his mouth is this summer.

Marcus Thompson of The Athletic:

According to multiple sources, Thompson and the Warriors have already engaged in discussions regarding a contract extension.

Thompson is already under contract next season at $18,988,725.

The largest extension he could sign, starting July 1 through the following June 30, would be worth $102,083,386 over five years ($25,520,846 annually). He could earn far more if he makes an All-NBA team this season, but with James Harden, Damian Lillard, Jimmy Butler, Russell Westbrook, Chris Paul, Victor Oladipo, Stephen Curry and DeMar DeRozan at guard, that’s highly unlikely.

If Thompson let his current contract expire then re-signs with Golden State in 2019 free agency, his max projects to be about $188 million over five years (about $38 million annually). That’s about $86 million more overall and $12 million more annually than an extension this offseason.

By signing an extension this summer, he’d also forfeit the chance to earn a super-max contract as a 2019 free agent. That projects to be worth about $219 million over five years (about $44 million annually) – about $117 million more overall and $18 million more annually than an extension this offseason.

For what it’s worth, Thompson’s max with another team in 2019 free agency projects to be about $139 million over four years (about $35 million annually). So, he definitely has the leverage to get far more from Golden State than an extension this summer would allow.

Thompson signing an extension now would be a major gift to Warriors owners Joe Lacob and Peter Guber, following Durant taking his own discount last summer. Why would Thompson (and Durant, at least his salary reduction below his Non-Bird amount) so willingly grant this favor to these billionaires?

Golden State has Bird Rights for all its stars. It’d be costly to keep those four together, especially considering the luxury tax, but no Collective Bargaining Agreement rule will break up this team. Thompson could put the burden on ownership to pay up. His talent gives him leverage.

And Lacob and Guber might have the means. The Warriors’ revenue is through the roof, and they’re moving into a sparkling new arena in San Francisco.

But not only did the Warriors build a team of great players, they apparently found the great players willing to make major financial sacrifices. That’ll only infuriate the rest of the league even more.

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Kyle Lowry on the decision to dismiss to Casey:

“They made a decision -- and for me, as a leader in the organization -- it’s my job to support the decision that (President) Masai (Ujiri) and GM Bobby (Webster) made.”

[jeremym480]

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If the Budenholzer thing becomes reality i'm taking a sabbatical from this team for a while. My hopes are completely pinned on Stackhouse. It makes too much sense.

No love for Assistant Coach Drake?

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