Shaq vs. Hakeem, unfair comparison.

[jplaya2023]

Re: Shaq vs. Hakeem, unfair comparison.

last I checked, MJ didn't have great rebounding, or shotblocking, in relation to any center, MJ didn't even average more than a block, or 6 rebounds.

MJ was one of the best rebounding guards in NBA history. MJ has the record of guards for most blocks in a season had like 131 blocks in 1 season, for a guard thats incedible. Mj averaged 32-8-8 one season almost a triple double numbers shaq has never done in his career. Shaq is the MDE but he isnt the best theres a difference my friend.

[jplaya2023]

Re: Shaq vs. Hakeem, unfair comparison.

last I checked, MJ didn't have great rebounding, or shotblocking, in relation to any center, MJ didn't even average more than a block, or 6 rebounds.

MJ was one of the best rebounding guards in NBA history. MJ has the record of guards for most blocks in a season had like 131 blocks in 1 season, for a guard thats incedible. Mj averaged 32-8-8 one season almost a triple double numbers shaq has never done in his career. Shaq is the MDE but he isnt the best theres a difference my friend.

[jplaya2023]

Re: Shaq vs. Hakeem, unfair comparison.

Why not? Shaq rebounds as well as them, blocks shots, is more intimidating, shoots a higher percentage, has more rings then Wilt, who played w/Baylor, West, etc. Won more than Hakeem, is a better scorer than Hakeem by the numbers, and Russell wasn't even good offensively, and won 11 rings cuz he played w/ 3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!3! !!!!!!!!!!!!!Hall of Famers, and Shaq is triple teamed every game of his prime, Hakeem was maybe doubled, but not tripled every time he touched the ball. Shaq could also beat them one on one, if they played together, cuz Shaq in his prime was so much bigger and stronger, he'd overpower and dunk on them every time. Shaq is simply too big and strong for them to handle. 7'1", 350, and can dunk over anyone. He could get LOW position on all 4 of them, so deep he'd shoot a hook, dunk or layup every time. even Wilt, the biggest and strongest of the 3, weighed 275 pounds, Shaq would even overpower Wilt. Wilt's frame, is Way smaller than Shaq's, Shaq weighed more than Wilt did his first year in the league, Shaq came in at 295 lbs, he was like 19-20 yrs old, and bigger than Wilt ever was. Shaq, at age 25-26, hung 43 pts, 17 rebounds on Hakeem. There you have it.

shaq admitted akeem was better than him
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[jplaya2023]

Re: Shaq vs. Hakeem, unfair comparison.

Why not? Shaq rebounds as well as them, blocks shots, is more intimidating, shoots a higher percentage, has more rings then Wilt, who played w/Baylor, West, etc. Won more than Hakeem, is a better scorer than Hakeem by the numbers, and Russell wasn't even good offensively, and won 11 rings cuz he played w/ 3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!3! !!!!!!!!!!!!!Hall of Famers, and Shaq is triple teamed every game of his prime, Hakeem was maybe doubled, but not tripled every time he touched the ball. Shaq could also beat them one on one, if they played together, cuz Shaq in his prime was so much bigger and stronger, he'd overpower and dunk on them every time. Shaq is simply too big and strong for them to handle. 7'1", 350, and can dunk over anyone. He could get LOW position on all 4 of them, so deep he'd shoot a hook, dunk or layup every time. even Wilt, the biggest and strongest of the 3, weighed 275 pounds, Shaq would even overpower Wilt. Wilt's frame, is Way smaller than Shaq's, Shaq weighed more than Wilt did his first year in the league, Shaq came in at 295 lbs, he was like 19-20 yrs old, and bigger than Wilt ever was. Shaq, at age 25-26, hung 43 pts, 17 rebounds on Hakeem. There you have it.

shaq admitted akeem was better than him
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[rbruns]

Re: Shaq vs. Hakeem, unfair comparison.

so if shaq admits that erik dampier is better, you'll believe that too? Or only if it supports your argument. Oh, MJ's blocks total is good, but Tmac had about that many one of his first 3 seasons. And MJ was blocking 2 guards in an era when 2 guards were about 6'4" on average, and many were white and couldn't jump. Like a Craig Ehlo, or Danny Ainge. So that stat is puffed up by the fact 2 guards weren't like Lebron, Tmac, Kobe, J Rich, Vince Carter, Dwayne Wade, Paul Pierce, etc. etc. etc.

And don't use one season, use every season to judge MJ. His career average of 6 rebounds is already being exceeded by Lebron, age 19, who's averaging 6.8 boards. Age 19.

And lastly, use can use any excuse you want, the fact is, Russell couldn't play offense like Shaq, Wilt couldn't win like Shaq, and Hakeem simply couldn't handle Shaq in his prime, as Shaq hung 43 and 17 on Hakeem at age 25, and Shaq was in his prime at about age 29. So there. **close thread**

[rbruns]

Re: Shaq vs. Hakeem, unfair comparison.

so if shaq admits that erik dampier is better, you'll believe that too? Or only if it supports your argument. Oh, MJ's blocks total is good, but Tmac had about that many one of his first 3 seasons. And MJ was blocking 2 guards in an era when 2 guards were about 6'4" on average, and many were white and couldn't jump. Like a Craig Ehlo, or Danny Ainge. So that stat is puffed up by the fact 2 guards weren't like Lebron, Tmac, Kobe, J Rich, Vince Carter, Dwayne Wade, Paul Pierce, etc. etc. etc.

And don't use one season, use every season to judge MJ. His career average of 6 rebounds is already being exceeded by Lebron, age 19, who's averaging 6.8 boards. Age 19.

And lastly, use can use any excuse you want, the fact is, Russell couldn't play offense like Shaq, Wilt couldn't win like Shaq, and Hakeem simply couldn't handle Shaq in his prime, as Shaq hung 43 and 17 on Hakeem at age 25, and Shaq was in his prime at about age 29. So there. **close thread**

[Dice]

Re: Shaq vs. Hakeem, unfair comparison.

so if shaq admits that erik dampier is better, you'll believe that too? Or only if it supports your argument. Oh, MJ's blocks total is good, but Tmac had about that many one of his first 3 seasons. And MJ was blocking 2 guards in an era when 2 guards were about 6'4" on average, and many were white and couldn't jump. Like a Craig Ehlo, or Danny Ainge. So that stat is puffed up by the fact 2 guards weren't like Lebron, Tmac, Kobe, J Rich, Vince Carter, Dwayne Wade, Paul Pierce, etc. etc. etc.

And don't use one season, use every season to judge MJ. His career average of 6 rebounds is already being exceeded by Lebron, age 19, who's averaging 6.8 boards. Age 19.

And lastly, use can use any excuse you want, the fact is, Russell couldn't play offense like Shaq, Wilt couldn't win like Shaq, and Hakeem simply couldn't handle Shaq in his prime, as Shaq hung 43 and 17 on Hakeem at age 25, and Shaq was in his prime at about age 29. So there. **close thread**

Now if your bringing MJ and making a stink about how 2-guards in his era weren't atheletic then let's look at Shaq's competition IN HIS PRIME. Who did he have to compete with while he was in his prime. Vlade Divac? Give me a break! Alonzo Mourning? More of a 4 than a 5. Mutombo? Same as Russell, all defense no offense. Olajuwon? Like you said, by the time Shaq was in his prime Hakeem was over the hill. SHAQ HAS NO HALL OF FAME COMPETITION. Maybe, just maybe, Mourning might go to the HOF but to me it's borderline.

Now Mike had Drexler, Dumars, Reggie Miller. All HOF players. And I haven't even mentioned all the guards that he had to compete with like Magic, Isiah, Stockton just to name a few. And all are HOF.

Shaq has no HOF competition. AND IF YOU MENTION DAVID ROBINSON HE WAS WASHED UP BY THE TIME SHAQ ENTERED HIS PRIME. So please don't include him.

[Dice]

Re: Shaq vs. Hakeem, unfair comparison.

so if shaq admits that erik dampier is better, you'll believe that too? Or only if it supports your argument. Oh, MJ's blocks total is good, but Tmac had about that many one of his first 3 seasons. And MJ was blocking 2 guards in an era when 2 guards were about 6'4" on average, and many were white and couldn't jump. Like a Craig Ehlo, or Danny Ainge. So that stat is puffed up by the fact 2 guards weren't like Lebron, Tmac, Kobe, J Rich, Vince Carter, Dwayne Wade, Paul Pierce, etc. etc. etc.

And don't use one season, use every season to judge MJ. His career average of 6 rebounds is already being exceeded by Lebron, age 19, who's averaging 6.8 boards. Age 19.

And lastly, use can use any excuse you want, the fact is, Russell couldn't play offense like Shaq, Wilt couldn't win like Shaq, and Hakeem simply couldn't handle Shaq in his prime, as Shaq hung 43 and 17 on Hakeem at age 25, and Shaq was in his prime at about age 29. So there. **close thread**

Now if your bringing MJ and making a stink about how 2-guards in his era weren't atheletic then let's look at Shaq's competition IN HIS PRIME. Who did he have to compete with while he was in his prime. Vlade Divac? Give me a break! Alonzo Mourning? More of a 4 than a 5. Mutombo? Same as Russell, all defense no offense. Olajuwon? Like you said, by the time Shaq was in his prime Hakeem was over the hill. SHAQ HAS NO HALL OF FAME COMPETITION. Maybe, just maybe, Mourning might go to the HOF but to me it's borderline.

Now Mike had Drexler, Dumars, Reggie Miller. All HOF players. And I haven't even mentioned all the guards that he had to compete with like Magic, Isiah, Stockton just to name a few. And all are HOF.

Shaq has no HOF competition. AND IF YOU MENTION DAVID ROBINSON HE WAS WASHED UP BY THE TIME SHAQ ENTERED HIS PRIME. So please don't include him.

[rbruns]

Re: Shaq vs. Hakeem, unfair comparison.

Dumars getting into the Hall is no lock. For one thing, he's not great on offense, he benefitted immensely playing next to Isiah. Defensively, he's very good, MJ said he's toughest 1 on 1. But notice he's only 6'3"? That is a caricature of the 2 guards of the 80's. Small. Today's men would post Dumars every play. Dumars benefited from Detroit's TEAM defense. Dumars is borderline Hall, and would get posted up to death in today's era of 6'7" two guards. without Laimbeer, Rodman, etc. to cover for him, he'd be exposed as a good, but not great defender, due to lack of stature. And Reggie Miller is a very good offensive player, only due to shooting. Reggie could not create for others, look at his assist numbers, and the fact he didn't penetrate b/c he had average finishing ability, and a average 1st step. Defensively, Reggie was AVERAGE defensively. He had average foot speed, laterally did not move well, and at 6'7" and 135 lbs, was simply not strong enough to defend today's powerful athletes like lebron, Kobe, Maggette, Q-Rich, etc. They would demolish Reggie, notice Reggie has not been a regular on the All Defense team in the last 12 or so years. He's simply to frail. Reggie will get in the Hall, for being a good shooter, and hitting timely shots, but he's weak defensively, and like I said, other than shooting, he doesn't contribute in other ways. Probably b/c he couldn't benchpress his Nikes. And he was not that athletic. Think a slightly better shooting Kyle Korver, with a bit more athleticism.

[rbruns]

Re: Shaq vs. Hakeem, unfair comparison.

Dumars getting into the Hall is no lock. For one thing, he's not great on offense, he benefitted immensely playing next to Isiah. Defensively, he's very good, MJ said he's toughest 1 on 1. But notice he's only 6'3"? That is a caricature of the 2 guards of the 80's. Small. Today's men would post Dumars every play. Dumars benefited from Detroit's TEAM defense. Dumars is borderline Hall, and would get posted up to death in today's era of 6'7" two guards. without Laimbeer, Rodman, etc. to cover for him, he'd be exposed as a good, but not great defender, due to lack of stature. And Reggie Miller is a very good offensive player, only due to shooting. Reggie could not create for others, look at his assist numbers, and the fact he didn't penetrate b/c he had average finishing ability, and a average 1st step. Defensively, Reggie was AVERAGE defensively. He had average foot speed, laterally did not move well, and at 6'7" and 135 lbs, was simply not strong enough to defend today's powerful athletes like lebron, Kobe, Maggette, Q-Rich, etc. They would demolish Reggie, notice Reggie has not been a regular on the All Defense team in the last 12 or so years. He's simply to frail. Reggie will get in the Hall, for being a good shooter, and hitting timely shots, but he's weak defensively, and like I said, other than shooting, he doesn't contribute in other ways. Probably b/c he couldn't benchpress his Nikes. And he was not that athletic. Think a slightly better shooting Kyle Korver, with a bit more athleticism.