2018-19 Transaction Thread

[King_B_Mack]

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Losing Ariza and Luc was huge for them. You can't expect to lose your perimeter defense and replacing it with Melo is going to help them. Offense isn't their issue. Having 3 non-defenders on the wing for extended periods is always a recipe for diaster.

As for Melo, yes Money has been his priority over winning. He got his money and Olympic rings so he is good. And pretty much a shoe-in for HoF since everyone pretty much makes it in

Of course you can't expect that, but that's exactly what people did. Not necessarily anybody here, but there were a **** ton of people that were acting like 'Houston would have beat Golden State with Melo last year.' There were some legit comments out there as if just plugging Melo in would get the same results but with Melo's scoring.

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Its like my man signed a 10 game contract with the Rockets, now he's gone.

[The 24th Letter]

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[3304Life]

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I like Kyle but that’s another 7mil off the books and a nice pickup for Philly, should replace Covington’s outside shooting at least.

[illwill10]

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Of course you can't expect that, but that's exactly what people did. Not necessarily anybody here, but there were a **** ton of people that were acting like 'Houston would have beat Golden State with Melo last year.' There were some legit comments out there as if just plugging Melo in would get the same results but with Melo's scoring.

Losing CP3 was one of the main reasons they lost that series. I felt in last few years, a good opposing PG always gives Curry problems. Curry isn't a "bad" defender, but they have enough perimeter defenders to hide him. When he has to spend energy actually having to defend guards, it affects his offense.
If I'm a contender, I don't want Melo. Just not a "winning" player. Unless you feel his offense-only game can help, then I wouldn't give less minutes to people that can affect multiple aspects of game just for a occassional 15-20 point games.

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I like that. Gives them a veteran knock down shooter who doesn't demand the ball.
But Simmons would definitely have to play 4 alot more. Playing/defending the PF is different in this era. Nowadays most 4s are either Stretch bigs or small ball 4s. So really to defend as a 4, you have to main be able to guard/switch on perimeter and defend in high post. I can see them going alot of lineups with Simmons/Fultz- Reddick-Butler-Shooter-Embiid.
I'm just not always sold on big 3s when the three of them are ball-dominant. One of their games usually suffers because they pretty much become spot up shooters. Look at the LeBron Big 3s. Bosh and Love became 3rd options. 3rd and 4th options are usually off ball shooters. I see JoJo snd Jimmy being primary scorers, while Simmons continue to use PnR and close looks. What helps him is that Jimmy would command best perimeter defender. So Ben could take advantage of height advantage over PGs or 2nd or 3rd best perimeters. They just need more shooters

[Junior Moe]

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Crazy how not so long ago we were discussing whether Melo would/should start. So where realistically could Melo land? He's not the Melo of old but he can help a 2nd unit somewhere. I know this has to humble him some. On 2K I may stick him on the Heat. Idk

[illwill10]

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Crazy how not so long ago we were discussing whether Melo would/should start. So where realistically could Melo land? He's not the Melo of old but he can help a 2nd unit somewhere. I know this has to humble him some. On 2K I may stick him on the Heat. Idk

Miami might be his best option. He doesn't fit with contenders. Miami is stuck in between. They're probably not good enough to make playoffs, but not bad enough to tank. Don't really have a primary scorer off the bench.
His best bet might be to retire at years end.

[illwill10]

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Curious to see what Suns and Magic does with their PG situation. Easy to think Rozier, but don't think their willing to trade him due to uncertainty with Kyrie.
If I'm them, I'm looking at 3 PGs. Dinwiddie, Pat Beverly, and TJ McConnell. I like TJ. He's a tough scrappy player. Good on Ball defender, and seems to come through in clutch. He just doesn't get in rotation. With Shamet coming along and Zhaire coming back in few months, it doesn't seem good for him. I think a good trade would be TJ for Ryan Anderson. Not sure how Anderson's health or if if his contract is still bad. But it fits a need for both teams. Suns get a quality PG and 76ers get a stretch big.

[Jeffx]

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Of course you can't expect that, but that's exactly what people did. Not necessarily anybody here, but there were a **** ton of people that were acting like 'Houston would have beat Golden State with Melo last year.' There were some legit comments out there as if just plugging Melo in would get the same results but with Melo's scoring.

I have to LOL @ all the Carmelo sycophants (on social media) who called me a "*****" when I said Houston got worse when they signed him. Like illwill10 said, he's not a winning player. Carmelo has always been more concerned about stats and his "brand/legacy".

[King_B_Mack]

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So the reported final trade offers for Jimmy according to The Athletic.

Rockets: Eric Gordon, Nene and two 1st Rounders

Pelicans: Niko Mirotic and a 1st Rounder

Thibs has been a complete disaster in the front office. To not get a 1st rounder of any kind for Jimmy is nuts. I'd have taken those 4 firsts from Houston when that came up. Depending on when that 1st was for the Niko deal would have been cool even though I'm not that high on Niko.

[ojandpizza]

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Not getting a first is definitely a blow for them, but I like their haul better than either of those. They should theoretically have received two starter level players from this deal and if moving Butler really needed to replace him with a defensive minded wing like Covington. Neither of those other options gave them something they really need, and I'm sure they weren't wanting to pay Niko, especially since Thibs is going to roll with Taj regardless.

If there really was 4 firsts on the table at some point that should have been their move though. Even if they didn't want 4 future firsts having those in your pocket gives tons of flexibility moving forward. One of the most trade-able assets you can have is first round picks. They would have likely still got Gordon since that's what made the money fit, and if they really didn't want him they could have moved him as well.

[ojandpizza]

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On this whole Melo thing...

Ariza is a good defender, but that move swapping him for Melo is not what's wrong with this team. He's a good defender like I said, but people acting like he's the type of defender that takes you from the best team in the league to out of the playoffs and changes your whole identity, that's a laughable level of overrating that guy.

The team as a whole isn't playing with the fire they had last year, Harden has missed games, Gordon has missed games, CP3 has missed games, Ennis has missed games, MCW has missed games, Green has missed a game. Harden, CP3, and especially Eric Gordon all started the season in shooting slumps.. All of that adds up, that's not at the fault of losing Ariza or at the fault of adding Melo.

Melo may be about himself, or stubborn in changing his play-style. But there has been nothing at all negative about him from players, coaches, anything. Watching them play, he definitely isn't out there causing them to fall apart while he's on the floor or doing anything detrimental to their success directly. You could even say that in couple of these early games he's been their best player while on the floor.

Obviously he might not be the best example of what this team actually needs, but all this nonsense about him being the reason they are worse or that swapping Ariza for Ennis has just completely turned the defensive identity of this team upside down is pretty harsh on Melo as a player/person and a massive overrating of the caliber of player Ariza is. Melo and/or Ariza isn't why half the team is shooting bricks and can't stay healthy.

[illwill10]

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The haul for Butler from Philly wasn't bad, but it could have been better. Essentially, they gave up Lavine, Dunn, Lauri, Butler, and Patton for Gibson, RoCo, Saric, Bayless, and a 2022 2nd round. Should have gotten at least 1 first round out of it instead of a current 9th or 10th grader who will be a 2nd rounder.

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So what did Melo do exactly that made the Rockets want to drop him?

[jeebs9]

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So what did Melo do exactly that made the Rockets want to drop him?

That's the million dollar question. I saw a video that showed all the defensive breakdowns because of Melo. And all the bad shots he took. Like pump faking a 3 into a mid range jumper.

But I think what Wade said is partial true. You can't blame him on the Rockets slow start.

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