Can we stop comparing to MJ, please?

[SuperFreak84]

Re: Can we stop comparing to MJ, please?

You people around here ask for stats.....
Jordan's MVP years, % of TOTAL team points, rebounds and assists:

87-88: 33,3% + 12,3% + 22,5%
90-91: 28,6% + 14,0% + 25,7%
91-92: 26,6% + 14,1% + 21,4%
95-96: 28,8% + 14,8% + 17,3%
97-98: 29,7% + 12,9% + 14,5%

Kobe's 2004-05 season (so far): 29% + 15,2% + 34,6%

Comparing:
Only twice in 5 MVP years did Jordan surpass Kobe's points %-wise;
Never did he equal Kobe's rebound %;
Never did he even come close to Kobe's assist %.

Now...
Is Kobe playing THAT bad?
Is he THAT selfish?

Twist away....

[SuperFreak84]

Re: Can we stop comparing to MJ, please?

You people around here ask for stats.....
Jordan's MVP years, % of TOTAL team points, rebounds and assists:

87-88: 33,3% + 12,3% + 22,5%
90-91: 28,6% + 14,0% + 25,7%
91-92: 26,6% + 14,1% + 21,4%
95-96: 28,8% + 14,8% + 17,3%
97-98: 29,7% + 12,9% + 14,5%

Kobe's 2004-05 season (so far): 29% + 15,2% + 34,6%

Comparing:
Only twice in 5 MVP years did Jordan surpass Kobe's points %-wise;
Never did he equal Kobe's rebound %;
Never did he even come close to Kobe's assist %.

Now...
Is Kobe playing THAT bad?
Is he THAT selfish?

Twist away....

[Kashanova]

Re: Can we stop comparing to MJ, please?

how do you want mj to rebound over longly, rodman, and pippen? how much rebounding was he doing before this year. who are the rebounding monster on the lakers this year?

ok so the years that kobe has more % of the points in

jordan avg more then he did and with a far less % then what kobe has interesting

90-91-31.5
91-92-30.1
95-96-30.4

now the rebound jordan always had strong rebounders around him and still managed to get a good number

87-87 Oakley had about 13 boards a game
90-91 there where at least three players other then jordan that avg more then 6 boarda a game
91-92- pippen and grant combined for 17 boards a game
95-95 kukoc, pippen, and longley avg combined round 15 boards and rodman had 14
97-98 4 players combined for 18 and rodman had 15

now the highest on kobes team is 10 after that 7 then 5 and that leaves mostly the rest to kobe so that figures why the % is so high compare to jordan

the assists is a pretty easy one kobe doesnt have a real point guard atkins doesnt pass the ball much and only avg 4 assists so it pretty easy to get that much assists with butler there odom and other players

jordan never passed the ball much but he did when he had to never forced anything in those mvp years and he didnt have a point guard either but he had other players that can pass the ball kukoc, pippen was an underrated passer, harper would pass sometimes so that could be why jordan never avg so high in those years but he did avg 8 rebs one yr and 8 ast the same yr he avg 32 points plus shot 53% and only had 2.6 to's a game around there so what kobe is doing this year is nothing jordan didnt do before and didnt do better then he is

[Kashanova]

Re: Can we stop comparing to MJ, please?

how do you want mj to rebound over longly, rodman, and pippen? how much rebounding was he doing before this year. who are the rebounding monster on the lakers this year?

ok so the years that kobe has more % of the points in

jordan avg more then he did and with a far less % then what kobe has interesting

90-91-31.5
91-92-30.1
95-96-30.4

now the rebound jordan always had strong rebounders around him and still managed to get a good number

87-87 Oakley had about 13 boards a game
90-91 there where at least three players other then jordan that avg more then 6 boarda a game
91-92- pippen and grant combined for 17 boards a game
95-95 kukoc, pippen, and longley avg combined round 15 boards and rodman had 14
97-98 4 players combined for 18 and rodman had 15

now the highest on kobes team is 10 after that 7 then 5 and that leaves mostly the rest to kobe so that figures why the % is so high compare to jordan

the assists is a pretty easy one kobe doesnt have a real point guard atkins doesnt pass the ball much and only avg 4 assists so it pretty easy to get that much assists with butler there odom and other players

jordan never passed the ball much but he did when he had to never forced anything in those mvp years and he didnt have a point guard either but he had other players that can pass the ball kukoc, pippen was an underrated passer, harper would pass sometimes so that could be why jordan never avg so high in those years but he did avg 8 rebs one yr and 8 ast the same yr he avg 32 points plus shot 53% and only had 2.6 to's a game around there so what kobe is doing this year is nothing jordan didnt do before and didnt do better then he is

[SPTO]

Re: Can we stop comparing to MJ, please?

"sigh" I sometimes wish Michael Jordan never existed. When did this whole comparing every phenom to MJ thing start? Was it with Grant Hill and then steamrolled on?

[SPTO]

Re: Can we stop comparing to MJ, please?

"sigh" I sometimes wish Michael Jordan never existed. When did this whole comparing every phenom to MJ thing start? Was it with Grant Hill and then steamrolled on?

[SuperFreak84]

Re: Can we stop comparing to MJ, please?

how do you want mj to rebound over longly, rodman, and pippen? how much rebounding was he doing before this year. who are the rebounding monster on the lakers this year?

ok so the years that kobe has more % of the points in

jordan avg more then he did and with a far less % then what kobe has interesting

90-91-31.5
91-92-30.1
95-96-30.4

now the rebound jordan always had strong rebounders around him and still managed to get a good number

87-87 Oakley had about 13 boards a game
90-91 there where at least three players other then jordan that avg more then 6 boarda a game
91-92- pippen and grant combined for 17 boards a game
95-95 kukoc, pippen, and longley avg combined round 15 boards and rodman had 14
97-98 4 players combined for 18 and rodman had 15

now the highest on kobes team is 10 after that 7 then 5 and that leaves mostly the rest to kobe so that figures why the % is so high compare to jordan

the assists is a pretty easy one kobe doesnt have a real point guard atkins doesnt pass the ball much and only avg 4 assists so it pretty easy to get that much assists with butler there odom and other players

jordan never passed the ball much but he did when he had to never forced anything in those mvp years and he didnt have a point guard either but he had other players that can pass the ball kukoc, pippen was an underrated passer, harper would pass sometimes so that could be why jordan never avg so high in those years but he did avg 8 rebs one yr and 8 ast the same yr he avg 32 points plus shot 53% and only had 2.6 to's a game around there so what kobe is doing this year is nothing jordan didnt do before and didnt do better then he is

So you're saying Jordan was always on better teams then Kobe's current team, yet the Lakers are winning with Kobe contributing more than Jordan did on his squads. The point of that wasn't to show up Jordan, it was to show Kobe is contributing to his team at an even higher rate than Jordan did and the Lakers are winning some games, so he must not be all that bad this season.

[SuperFreak84]

Re: Can we stop comparing to MJ, please?

how do you want mj to rebound over longly, rodman, and pippen? how much rebounding was he doing before this year. who are the rebounding monster on the lakers this year?

ok so the years that kobe has more % of the points in

jordan avg more then he did and with a far less % then what kobe has interesting

90-91-31.5
91-92-30.1
95-96-30.4

now the rebound jordan always had strong rebounders around him and still managed to get a good number

87-87 Oakley had about 13 boards a game
90-91 there where at least three players other then jordan that avg more then 6 boarda a game
91-92- pippen and grant combined for 17 boards a game
95-95 kukoc, pippen, and longley avg combined round 15 boards and rodman had 14
97-98 4 players combined for 18 and rodman had 15

now the highest on kobes team is 10 after that 7 then 5 and that leaves mostly the rest to kobe so that figures why the % is so high compare to jordan

the assists is a pretty easy one kobe doesnt have a real point guard atkins doesnt pass the ball much and only avg 4 assists so it pretty easy to get that much assists with butler there odom and other players

jordan never passed the ball much but he did when he had to never forced anything in those mvp years and he didnt have a point guard either but he had other players that can pass the ball kukoc, pippen was an underrated passer, harper would pass sometimes so that could be why jordan never avg so high in those years but he did avg 8 rebs one yr and 8 ast the same yr he avg 32 points plus shot 53% and only had 2.6 to's a game around there so what kobe is doing this year is nothing jordan didnt do before and didnt do better then he is

So you're saying Jordan was always on better teams then Kobe's current team, yet the Lakers are winning with Kobe contributing more than Jordan did on his squads. The point of that wasn't to show up Jordan, it was to show Kobe is contributing to his team at an even higher rate than Jordan did and the Lakers are winning some games, so he must not be all that bad this season.

[PlayaHataSupreme]

Re: Can we stop comparing to MJ, please?

You people around here ask for stats.....
Jordan's MVP years, % of TOTAL team points, rebounds and assists:

87-88: 33,3% + 12,3% + 22,5%
90-91: 28,6% + 14,0% + 25,7%
91-92: 26,6% + 14,1% + 21,4%
95-96: 28,8% + 14,8% + 17,3%
97-98: 29,7% + 12,9% + 14,5%

Kobe's 2004-05 season (so far): 29% + 15,2% + 34,6%

Comparing:
Only twice in 5 MVP years did Jordan surpass Kobe's points %-wise;
Never did he equal Kobe's rebound %;
Never did he even come close to Kobe's assist %.

Now...
Is Kobe playing THAT bad?
Is he THAT selfish?

Twist away....

Jordan made his team better in ways that stats can't illustrate, and I don't see that Kobe makes his teammates better than Jordan did his teammates.....

Of course there will be some selective stats that can put Kobe ahead of Jordan in certain categories, no doubt. You can do that with just about any comparative analysis with any two players, not saying that your stats are irrelevant; as a matter of fact, I didn't realize that part about the assist %, that's a good piece of information to know, seriously.

As far as defensive stats are concerned, I can safely say that Kobe Bryant will never win a Defensive MVP award, too.

Kobe's offensive game, for the most part, is more comparable to Jordan than his defensive game, and even then, I don't think we will ever again see Kobe shoot 45% in a season, much less 50%, but when making comparisons, Kobe's closer to Jordan on offense.

Kobe, not comparatively speaking, is not a bad defender, but he will never remotely be on the level Jordan was defensively. Jordan consistently racked up 3, 4, 5 steals a night in his prime, and in his defensive MVP year (1988) he had 1.6 BPG!!! That's scary......

[PlayaHataSupreme]

Re: Can we stop comparing to MJ, please?

You people around here ask for stats.....
Jordan's MVP years, % of TOTAL team points, rebounds and assists:

87-88: 33,3% + 12,3% + 22,5%
90-91: 28,6% + 14,0% + 25,7%
91-92: 26,6% + 14,1% + 21,4%
95-96: 28,8% + 14,8% + 17,3%
97-98: 29,7% + 12,9% + 14,5%

Kobe's 2004-05 season (so far): 29% + 15,2% + 34,6%

Comparing:
Only twice in 5 MVP years did Jordan surpass Kobe's points %-wise;
Never did he equal Kobe's rebound %;
Never did he even come close to Kobe's assist %.

Now...
Is Kobe playing THAT bad?
Is he THAT selfish?

Twist away....

Jordan made his team better in ways that stats can't illustrate, and I don't see that Kobe makes his teammates better than Jordan did his teammates.....

Of course there will be some selective stats that can put Kobe ahead of Jordan in certain categories, no doubt. You can do that with just about any comparative analysis with any two players, not saying that your stats are irrelevant; as a matter of fact, I didn't realize that part about the assist %, that's a good piece of information to know, seriously.

As far as defensive stats are concerned, I can safely say that Kobe Bryant will never win a Defensive MVP award, too.

Kobe's offensive game, for the most part, is more comparable to Jordan than his defensive game, and even then, I don't think we will ever again see Kobe shoot 45% in a season, much less 50%, but when making comparisons, Kobe's closer to Jordan on offense.

Kobe, not comparatively speaking, is not a bad defender, but he will never remotely be on the level Jordan was defensively. Jordan consistently racked up 3, 4, 5 steals a night in his prime, and in his defensive MVP year (1988) he had 1.6 BPG!!! That's scary......

[SuperFreak84]

Re: Can we stop comparing to MJ, please?

Jordan made his team better in ways that stats can't illustrate, and I don't see that Kobe makes his teammates better than Jordan did his teammates.....

Of course there will be some selective stats that can put Kobe ahead of Jordan in certain categories, no doubt. You can do that with just about any comparative analysis with any two players, not saying that your stats are irrelevant; as a matter of fact, I didn't realize that part about the assist %, that's a good piece of information to know, seriously.

As far as defensive stats are concerned, I can safely say that Kobe Bryant will never win a Defensive MVP award, too.

Kobe's offensive game, for the most part, is more comparable to Jordan than his defensive game, and even then, I don't think we will ever again see Kobe shoot 45% in a season, much less 50%, but when making comparisons, Kobe's closer to Jordan on offense.

Kobe, not comparatively speaking, is not a bad defender, but he will never remotely be on the level Jordan was defensively. Jordan consistently racked up 3, 4, 5 steals a night in his prime, and in his defensive MVP year (1988) he had 1.6 BPG!!! That's scary......

Nice post. I agree with the shooting percentages. But I think that is byproduct of the way the defensive rules have changed. Not many guards today have a shot at shooting 50% for the season, but then again Lebron was /is on that pace earlier this season. It wasn't uncommon for guards back then to shoot over 50% (Magic shot over 50% his first 9 years, 56% being the highest, 52% average for his career.). I also think the assist numbers have something to with Jordan running down court never passing in his early years to having Pippen play point forward during the Championship years.

[SuperFreak84]

Re: Can we stop comparing to MJ, please?

Jordan made his team better in ways that stats can't illustrate, and I don't see that Kobe makes his teammates better than Jordan did his teammates.....

Of course there will be some selective stats that can put Kobe ahead of Jordan in certain categories, no doubt. You can do that with just about any comparative analysis with any two players, not saying that your stats are irrelevant; as a matter of fact, I didn't realize that part about the assist %, that's a good piece of information to know, seriously.

As far as defensive stats are concerned, I can safely say that Kobe Bryant will never win a Defensive MVP award, too.

Kobe's offensive game, for the most part, is more comparable to Jordan than his defensive game, and even then, I don't think we will ever again see Kobe shoot 45% in a season, much less 50%, but when making comparisons, Kobe's closer to Jordan on offense.

Kobe, not comparatively speaking, is not a bad defender, but he will never remotely be on the level Jordan was defensively. Jordan consistently racked up 3, 4, 5 steals a night in his prime, and in his defensive MVP year (1988) he had 1.6 BPG!!! That's scary......

Nice post. I agree with the shooting percentages. But I think that is byproduct of the way the defensive rules have changed. Not many guards today have a shot at shooting 50% for the season, but then again Lebron was /is on that pace earlier this season. It wasn't uncommon for guards back then to shoot over 50% (Magic shot over 50% his first 9 years, 56% being the highest, 52% average for his career.). I also think the assist numbers have something to with Jordan running down court never passing in his early years to having Pippen play point forward during the Championship years.

[glucklich]

Re: Can we stop comparing to MJ, please?

You people around here ask for stats.....
Jordan's MVP years, % of TOTAL team points, rebounds and assists:

87-88: 33,3% + 12,3% + 22,5%
90-91: 28,6% + 14,0% + 25,7%
91-92: 26,6% + 14,1% + 21,4%
95-96: 28,8% + 14,8% + 17,3%
97-98: 29,7% + 12,9% + 14,5%

Kobe's 2004-05 season (so far): 29% + 15,2% + 34,6%

Comparing:
Only twice in 5 MVP years did Jordan surpass Kobe's points %-wise;
Never did he equal Kobe's rebound %;
Never did he even come close to Kobe's assist %.

Now...
Is Kobe playing THAT bad?
Is he THAT selfish?

Twist away....

What Im really interested in now is what % of his teams shots Kobe takes vs. MJ...and I already know MJ shot plenty which brings me to shooting %. Because thats all this statistical breakdown is: a bandaid to cover the fact that Kobes shooting % is vastly inferior.

[glucklich]

Re: Can we stop comparing to MJ, please?

You people around here ask for stats.....
Jordan's MVP years, % of TOTAL team points, rebounds and assists:

87-88: 33,3% + 12,3% + 22,5%
90-91: 28,6% + 14,0% + 25,7%
91-92: 26,6% + 14,1% + 21,4%
95-96: 28,8% + 14,8% + 17,3%
97-98: 29,7% + 12,9% + 14,5%

Kobe's 2004-05 season (so far): 29% + 15,2% + 34,6%

Comparing:
Only twice in 5 MVP years did Jordan surpass Kobe's points %-wise;
Never did he equal Kobe's rebound %;
Never did he even come close to Kobe's assist %.

Now...
Is Kobe playing THAT bad?
Is he THAT selfish?

Twist away....

What Im really interested in now is what % of his teams shots Kobe takes vs. MJ...and I already know MJ shot plenty which brings me to shooting %. Because thats all this statistical breakdown is: a bandaid to cover the fact that Kobes shooting % is vastly inferior.

[Tmacattack]

Re: Can we stop comparing to MJ, please?

funny how a thread about stopping the comparisons between any player and mj has turned into a comparison between kb8 and mj...