The NBA 3-Point Line

[ehh]

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Removing the 3PT is a silly idea.

What I miss is about the old days--beyond the rivalries and more physical style of play where it still felt more sport and than entertainment--is the diversity of play around the league. Each team took on the identity of its star player. I liked seeing all of the different styles and signature moves on the game's best players. Now nearly every team in the league just jacks up threes and runs a ton of PnR (excluded the stupid teams, such as the Knicks). I guess you can argue that yesteryear was all post-ups and isolation but that's not really the case.

Now, paraphrasing Popovich from a few years back, it's just "run a pick and roll, get into the paint, and make the right decision from there".

At minimum they need to widen the court so the 3PT is the same length. I'd be fine with them moving it back as well.

[ojandpizza]

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I guess you can argue that yesteryear was all post-ups and isolation but that's not really the case.

This is the same argument as saying every team just jacks up threes and runs PnR though.. It's a large part of it, just like post-ups and isolation was, but it's not all of it.

[ojandpizza]

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While we're at it, re-instituting some sanity to what constitutes a travel would reel things in a little too. We're at a time now where we've got dudes picking up their dribble and hop-scotching wherever they see fit knowing they can't be touched at any point in the process.

This seems to be trending in a more positive direction. I've noticed multiple travel calls this season. IDK where we can find data on the number of violations, but I wouldn't be surprised if the total of travels called isn't double or triple what it was at this same point in the season the last couple of years.

[Kashanova]

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Removing the three point line isn’t the answer, honestly, I feel like the issues are with the officiating. The fact the that officials enable Harden to get away with the stuff he gets away with only makes other players try to get away with the same. I have no problem saying I loathe the way Harden plays cause it feels like he tries to draw the foul before trying to score. Seeing him and Westbrick jack up the shots they do is hard on the eyes.


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[Smallville102001]

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Removing the 3PT is a silly idea.

What I miss is about the old days--beyond the rivalries and more physical style of play where it still felt more sport and than entertainment--is the diversity of play around the league. Each team took on the identity of its star player. I liked seeing all of the different styles and signature moves on the game's best players. Now nearly every team in the league just jacks up threes and runs a ton of PnR (excluded the stupid teams, such as the Knicks). I guess you can argue that yesteryear was all post-ups and isolation but that's not really the case.

Now, paraphrasing Popovich from a few years back, it's just "run a pick and roll, get into the paint, and make the right decision from there".

At minimum they need to widen the court so the 3PT is the same length. I'd be fine with them moving it back as well.

If they moved the 3 point line back how far back would you want them to move it back? I would say out side of like 4-5 players most players if they try to shoot a 27-30 foot 3 pointer its still a bad shoot that they are not going to make that often. I think to many players already try to take 30 foot 3 pointers. If you move the 3 point line back to much you might have guys being more stupid and taking 30 foot shoots even more.

[Smallville102001]

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Removing the three point line isn’t the answer, honestly, I feel like the issues are with the officiating. The fact the that officials enable Harden to get away with the stuff he gets away with only makes other players try to get away with the same. I have no problem saying I loathe the way Harden plays cause it feels like he tries to draw the foul before trying to score. Seeing him and Westbrick jack up the shots they do is hard on the eyes.


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It blows my mind the calls that harden gets and 2 the stuff he gets away with and i don't get it no one has ever gotten favored by refs like he does and its not even close. I am not even joking in that i think i could play in the nba and average like 8 points a game if i could do what he does and get away with it. The guy shoots a lot of jump shoots yet gets to the foul line a lot more then guys who attack the basket all the time. He can Grab your arm and not only do they not call it a offensive foul were if any other player in the league did it they would call it but they will call the foul on the defender instead. If Harden got called like any other player in the league guy would be averaging like 8 turnovers a game instead of 5 and would shoot a lot worse and score a lot less.

[michaelscott113]

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Just imagine Curry introducing the 4-point line

[Eddiespagghetti]

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It blows my mind the calls that harden gets and 2 the stuff he gets away with and i don't get it no one has ever gotten favored by refs like he does and its not even close. I am not even joking in that i think i could play in the nba and average like 8 points a game if i could do what he does and get away with it. The guy shoots a lot of jump shoots yet gets to the foul line a lot more then guys who attack the basket all the time. He can Grab your arm and not only do they not call it a offensive foul were if any other player in the league did it they would call it but they will call the foul on the defender instead. If Harden got called like any other player in the league guy would be averaging like 8 turnovers a game instead of 5 and would shoot a lot worse and score a lot less.

Best comment. We are seeing more blown calls more than ever. So.mucb travels and it detracts from the game. I dont believe in conspiracy theories, but i do believe that the NBA helps mold superstars. And Harden is a prime example. Hes phenomenal, but he wouldn't be as good if he wasnt getting the most phantom calls in NBA history. Bot saying hed be average, but id defintely would say his averages would be different

[CaseIH]

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This thread came to mind after catching CZar on Twitter saying he doesn't enjoy watching the game as much now because of the nature of the game in it's current state. Maybe some of you saw this tweet

I then perused the replies to see what people had to say and they, unsurprisingly, had similar feelings about today's basketball; complaints about too many threes, pnr, copycat, analytics, rule changes, etc

And it got me thinking...would the game be a more interesting game with the 3point line, dare I say it, REMOVED?

Now, I will say that I do not have the same sentiments as Czar. I find today's game to be a more enjoyable viewing experience than it's past iterations. It's funny because someone replied with a clip of Harden isoing for a solid 7 seconds before draining a three. And I'm thinking to myself, "that's just the same thing as dudes back in the day standing around and letting a guy post up for 5 seconds or longer before putting up a shot". Different strokes.

I will say that that is not my favorite team to watch just like it isn't for most. I'm just not as bothered by it as most. But I digress. Lol

What my question is for those who care to answer though is would we see a better balance and an improved viewing experience overall with the three point line removed completely?

I understand the analytics and why we have this sharp spike of three point attempts. I understand why Tatum reworked his game to be more efficient by focusing on two things that the league as a whole have adopted into their offensive strategy... getting threes and layups. I get it.

But what would be loss if there was no three point shot at all? Just thinking about it quickly, I'm not sure that personnel make up of the team would have to change all that much. I would think a good team would still want good shooters on the court for spacing. These guys I presume would still be taking open looks to keep defenses honest. I still think the pick n roll would be the main method of attacking as it would remain one of the most difficult plays to defend.

But where I do think it would change things up is curtailing some of the "settling" we see with guys quick to take a three instead of working to get a better shot. And I do think we'd see a more diverse league in terms of offensive strategy. Some teams mimicking what we have currently. Meanwhile others taking an inside out approach, allowing their bigs to be the biggest threats. And everything in between.

That variety aspect I find most intriguing. But like I said, I still enjoy today's product as a whole when comparing it to games in the past.

Thoughts?

I still enjoy watching the game, but Im not a big fan of how the game is being played today. I dont like that its all about chucking up 3's, nor am I a fan of this game management crap, with players sitting out.



While Im not a big fan of change, I like things in sports to remain the same, but I have often wondered if they shouldnt widen the court, and move the 3pt line back, so the 3pt line was the same distance all around. I dont like that most of the players can shoot the 3 with regularity, where there is only a handful of guys that dont shoot 3's now days.



I doubt we will ever see the court widened and the 3pt line moved back, to where we see only the best shooters shooting 3's and the mid range game comes back into play, along with seeing the post game come back as well. Or I doubt it happens in my life time anyway.



I love the game of basketball, so while Im not the biggest fan of how the gameplan is based around shooting 3's for basically ever team in the league now days, and how certain players are being kept out of games to rest, I will always be a basketball fan. Im a Indiana farmer, basketball is built into our DNA, so I dont think anything will ever take my love for the game away. I may not be a fan of some of how the game is being played, nor am I a fan of many of the players now days either, for a variety of reasons, but my love for the game of basketball will always be there.

[jmarcguy]

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I think the players today are amazing but it’s the style of play that turns me off. I’m an 80’s & 90’s guy but I still enjoyed the game until a few years ago. Now, I only watch pieces of games here and there. I get so frustrated. I see Chris Paul switched onto Karl Anthony Townes and Kat puts up a face up jumper. Dirk shot threes but he also posted up plenty. I just wish the post game came back some. I miss guys posting up.

Variety of play is what I miss the most. When everyone bases everything on stats, strategies become too similar. Seeing teams race up & down the court just doesn’t interest me. I just can’t see a team winning with defense and a post up game today.


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[ojandpizza]

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In all honesty a big probably has the same advantage shooting over a small player as they do trying to post him up.. All while being able to survey the floor and see passing angles, avoid double teams, avoid charges, and not have guards strip them from behind. Obviously you have to be able to shoot, in Towns's case he most certainly can, but I will say Towns still does pretty well on his post ups also.

Another benefit is obviously opening up the floor. Pulling rim protection away from the rim benefits all 5 players on the floor rather than just one player clogging the action with iso post ups.. With the use of the three I don't think the post and kick out game will ever be what it was. You'd most likely have to have a player get up to 50 or so points before you deemed it necessary to send a double team. And with 1-4 being so switchable in today's game I don't see many people getting open looks playing out of the post. Contesting a post up (even someone like Hakeem barely shot over 50%) is a better look for the defense than an open 3.

Don't get me wrong I still enjoy past styles as well, I just think it's a bit unfair to say all teams are doing is running up and down and throwing up threes.. There is definitely a lot more to it than that, today's game isn't a complete lack of strategy or creativity, there is a reason it's transitioned to where it is now and teams are so hard to defend.. I guess I just see the beauty in both styles.

Speaking of KAT though, this is a pretty good video on him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UW51k7QjTHU