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  • Kashanova
    Hall Of Fame
    • Aug 2003
    • 12695

    #46
    Re: Is Ron Artest as good as Kobe/Tmac?

    Originally posted by Slip
    What do you mean by "not even close"? Like Mark Madsen not even close to KG, or Peja not even close to Ray allen?
    Peja is overrated and he cant create for him self on a cosistent term

    Tmac is more versatile then all of those people except for KG thus making him way better in my opinion

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    • Kashanova
      Hall Of Fame
      • Aug 2003
      • 12695

      #47
      Re: Is Ron Artest as good as Kobe/Tmac?

      Originally posted by Slip
      What do you mean by "not even close"? Like Mark Madsen not even close to KG, or Peja not even close to Ray allen?
      Peja is overrated and he cant create for him self on a cosistent term

      Tmac is more versatile then all of those people except for KG thus making him way better in my opinion

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      • driddy
        Pro
        • Jul 2002
        • 989

        #48
        Re: Is Ron Artest as good as Kobe/Tmac?

        Originally posted by KDRE
        Truth is the bball boards have been pretty dead. The one's I see complaining about him posting aren't starting any discussion threads. If you agree or disagree with him, tell him why, and leave it at that like a couple of other posters in here did.

        Don't jump in attacking a guy contruibuting to the boards. If you dont like his post put him on ignore. For some reason though, you dont you havent done that, maybe because you actually want to see what he says first..

        The reason the bball boards are dead are because it becomes a contest between two sides: those who have a hard on for all things kobe vs. those who disagree. I see no reason in explaining to someone why Kobe shouldn't be compared to Ron Artest, just like I dont see a reason to explain why comparing Tim Duncan to Jason Kidd is illogical. I can tell when someone has a hard on for one particular player. No need to feed the beast, if the debate has merit, it will prosper whether I jump in or not.

        Debates are one thing, but what this is is something different. If you objectively analyzed every thread rbruns has created you'd come down to two conclusions: rbruns is a big Shaq fan, and rbruns hates Kobe. No need for random threads that will instigate people on both extremes of Kobeism. Make one thread titled "Shaq Rulz, Kobe sux" and have at it. Oh yeah, that's what Kobe's thread has become. Maybe we can confine rbruns to that thread so he can keep it alive. Seriously though, the bball forums wont prosper if people cant call a spade a spade. If enough people see things and continue to call people on the carpet then the overall forum improves. Ignoring doesn't help the forums. If the main thread starter is on everyone who disagrees with them's ignore list than the forum doesn't improve does it?

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        • driddy
          Pro
          • Jul 2002
          • 989

          #49
          Re: Is Ron Artest as good as Kobe/Tmac?

          Originally posted by KDRE
          Truth is the bball boards have been pretty dead. The one's I see complaining about him posting aren't starting any discussion threads. If you agree or disagree with him, tell him why, and leave it at that like a couple of other posters in here did.

          Don't jump in attacking a guy contruibuting to the boards. If you dont like his post put him on ignore. For some reason though, you dont you havent done that, maybe because you actually want to see what he says first..

          The reason the bball boards are dead are because it becomes a contest between two sides: those who have a hard on for all things kobe vs. those who disagree. I see no reason in explaining to someone why Kobe shouldn't be compared to Ron Artest, just like I dont see a reason to explain why comparing Tim Duncan to Jason Kidd is illogical. I can tell when someone has a hard on for one particular player. No need to feed the beast, if the debate has merit, it will prosper whether I jump in or not.

          Debates are one thing, but what this is is something different. If you objectively analyzed every thread rbruns has created you'd come down to two conclusions: rbruns is a big Shaq fan, and rbruns hates Kobe. No need for random threads that will instigate people on both extremes of Kobeism. Make one thread titled "Shaq Rulz, Kobe sux" and have at it. Oh yeah, that's what Kobe's thread has become. Maybe we can confine rbruns to that thread so he can keep it alive. Seriously though, the bball forums wont prosper if people cant call a spade a spade. If enough people see things and continue to call people on the carpet then the overall forum improves. Ignoring doesn't help the forums. If the main thread starter is on everyone who disagrees with them's ignore list than the forum doesn't improve does it?

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          • remix
            MVP
            • Aug 2004
            • 2718

            #50
            Re: Is Ron Artest as good as Kobe/Tmac?

            Originally posted by Kashanova
            Peja is overrated and he cant create for him self on a cosistent term
            The kings don't rely on the Peja to create for himself, and I have seen him do it when need be. His role a king is to move without the ball and spot up though
            I do because I can, I can because I want, I want because you say I can't

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            • remix
              MVP
              • Aug 2004
              • 2718

              #51
              Re: Is Ron Artest as good as Kobe/Tmac?

              Originally posted by Kashanova
              Peja is overrated and he cant create for him self on a cosistent term
              The kings don't rely on the Peja to create for himself, and I have seen him do it when need be. His role a king is to move without the ball and spot up though
              I do because I can, I can because I want, I want because you say I can't

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              • darkwarrior
                Rookie
                • Jul 2004
                • 104

                #52
                Re: Is Ron Artest as good as Kobe/Tmac?

                Originally posted by timid
                From your post, its obvious you have never watched a Pacer game. You have no idea what you're talking about.
                hence,
                I don't watch Pacer games, but from what little i've seen
                And please enlighten me. How does Ron Artest make his team any more better than kobe or tmac? Both kobe and tmac get double teamed the moment they touch the ball, does artest face that night in night out? I'm asking these questions legimately because like i told you before your post i dont watch pacer games. If you're going to disprove what I say, at least back it up with something please

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                • darkwarrior
                  Rookie
                  • Jul 2004
                  • 104

                  #53
                  Re: Is Ron Artest as good as Kobe/Tmac?

                  Originally posted by timid
                  From your post, its obvious you have never watched a Pacer game. You have no idea what you're talking about.
                  hence,
                  I don't watch Pacer games, but from what little i've seen
                  And please enlighten me. How does Ron Artest make his team any more better than kobe or tmac? Both kobe and tmac get double teamed the moment they touch the ball, does artest face that night in night out? I'm asking these questions legimately because like i told you before your post i dont watch pacer games. If you're going to disprove what I say, at least back it up with something please

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                  • timid
                    Banned
                    • Mar 2003
                    • 1615

                    #54
                    Re: Is Ron Artest as good as Kobe/Tmac?

                    I don't need to back it up again. I've already explained to you as have others. Its also been said by others in this thread.

                    Exactly how do Kobe or McGrady make their teammates better? From what I hear, most analysts and people on this board, don't seem to to think he does. Steve Nash makes his teammates better by getting them the ball in the right spots. Just because Kobe and McGrady avg. a decent number of assists doesnt mean much. When you have the ball as much as they do, you're going to get some assists.

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                    • timid
                      Banned
                      • Mar 2003
                      • 1615

                      #55
                      Re: Is Ron Artest as good as Kobe/Tmac?

                      I don't need to back it up again. I've already explained to you as have others. Its also been said by others in this thread.

                      Exactly how do Kobe or McGrady make their teammates better? From what I hear, most analysts and people on this board, don't seem to to think he does. Steve Nash makes his teammates better by getting them the ball in the right spots. Just because Kobe and McGrady avg. a decent number of assists doesnt mean much. When you have the ball as much as they do, you're going to get some assists.

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                      • Kashanova
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Aug 2003
                        • 12695

                        #56
                        Re: Is Ron Artest as good as Kobe/Tmac?

                        Originally posted by remix
                        The kings don't rely on the Peja to create for himself, and I have seen him do it when need be. His role a king is to move without the ball and spot up though
                        exactly he's a system player thats why i dont consider him to be so good

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                        • Kashanova
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Aug 2003
                          • 12695

                          #57
                          Re: Is Ron Artest as good as Kobe/Tmac?

                          Originally posted by remix
                          The kings don't rely on the Peja to create for himself, and I have seen him do it when need be. His role a king is to move without the ball and spot up though
                          exactly he's a system player thats why i dont consider him to be so good

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                          • remix
                            MVP
                            • Aug 2004
                            • 2718

                            #58
                            Re: Is Ron Artest as good as Kobe/Tmac?

                            Originally posted by Kashanova
                            exactly he's a system player thats why i dont consider him to be so good
                            Well, I wouldn't really call him a 'system player' as hes only been with the kings. The kings are a passing oriented team and have quite a lot of talent in their lineup that Peja doesn't need to score 20 to be effective. There are so many times that Peja is used as a decoy, or the other team concentrates on him so much.. that a lot of the times they forget about the other 4 on the court. He creates opportunities for his teammates with or without the ball.
                            I do because I can, I can because I want, I want because you say I can't

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                            • remix
                              MVP
                              • Aug 2004
                              • 2718

                              #59
                              Re: Is Ron Artest as good as Kobe/Tmac?

                              Originally posted by Kashanova
                              exactly he's a system player thats why i dont consider him to be so good
                              Well, I wouldn't really call him a 'system player' as hes only been with the kings. The kings are a passing oriented team and have quite a lot of talent in their lineup that Peja doesn't need to score 20 to be effective. There are so many times that Peja is used as a decoy, or the other team concentrates on him so much.. that a lot of the times they forget about the other 4 on the court. He creates opportunities for his teammates with or without the ball.
                              I do because I can, I can because I want, I want because you say I can't

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                              • Kashanova
                                Hall Of Fame
                                • Aug 2003
                                • 12695

                                #60
                                Re: Is Ron Artest as good as Kobe/Tmac?

                                but when someone gets injuried he hasn't showed the ablilty to step up as was shown last year

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