2/9 - 2/22 Games Discussion Thread

[cima]

Re: 2/9 - 2/22 Games Discussion Thread

There's also no perfect solution to where everyone would be happy so I'm not gonna get into that debate again. And let's also just say I made that thread almost 6 years ago and nothing has changed, the WC is now going on 20+ years of superiority.

[ProfessaPackMan]

2/9 - 2/22 Games Discussion Thread

Lol so what was the point of bringing the subject up?

[Mentch]

Re: 2/9 - 2/22 Games Discussion Thread

It’s not nearly that simplistic though because the teams don’t play the same teams the same number of times, not all teams records reflect how healthy they were throughout the year, which teams had new rosters to start the season and have lots of losses while finding their groove by the time the playoffs started.

No doubt West has been stronger, but not to the degree that conferences need to be deleted for the sake of reseeding teams that are separated by just a handful of wins.

Fair point, but part of the reason for that is because of the fact that the East teams have more games scheduled against watered down East teams, while the West teams have more games scheduled against West teams and have to fight through a much tougher conference. And let's not use the injury excuse when every team has injuries and some teams choose to purposely rest their star players on back to backs

If anything, I feel like unconferenced playoffs would make the regular season matter a bit more in the end

Even in these 2nd seed drops to 7 examples the difference between #2 Knicks in 2013 and the #2 Spurs was only 4 games. It’s not really all that large of a gap. In 2014 #2 Miami would have been a 5-6 seed but DWade only played like 50 games and they had a better win% against Western conference teams than Eastern conference teams. Those are just some examples of why just glancing at wins and losses isn’t enough to just completely overhaul seeding.

The bottom 2-3 teams in the East have been notoriously worse no doubt, but again we are talking just a handful of games in most instances and the 9-7 vs 8-8 does a pretty solid job of illustrating that pretty much all teams are making the playoffs regardless. We’re arguing to deleted conferences so we can move in a new 16th seed, just seems silly.


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Well it's not just to move in a new 16th team, it's also to provide more realistic seeding for a playoff tournament. Let's take a look at SRS ratings (which place high emphasis on point differential and strength of schedule) for each of the playoff teams for the seasons that I mentioned:

2018-19: All of the Top 5 teams in the West had stronger SRS ratings than all but 2 of the top 5 teams in the East, and 2 playoff teams in the East had negative SRS ratings

2017-18: All of the Top 5 teams in the West had stronger SRS ratings than all but 2 of the top 5 teams in the East, and the top 8 teams in the West had stronger SRS ratings than all but 3 of the top 8 teams in the East

2016-17: All of the Top 5 teams in the West had stronger SRS ratings than ALL of the top 5 teams in the East (one of which had a negative point differential), and 3 teams in the East had negative SRS ratings as compared to 1 in the West

2015-16: 4 of the Top 5 teams in the West had stronger SRS ratings than all but one of the top 5 teams in the East, although 2 West teams did have negative SRS ratings. This could be an example of the West being particularly top heavy in this season

2014-15: All of the Top 6 teams in the West had stronger SRS ratings than all but 2 of the top 6 teams in the East, and 3 teams in the East had negative SRS ratings as opposed to 0 in the West

2013-14: All of the top 6 teams in the West had stronger SRS ratings than all of the top 6 teams in the East, 3 playoff teams in the East had negative SRS ratings as opposed to 0 for the West, and the 48-34 Suns that missed the playoffs entirely in the stacked West outperformed all but 2 East teams in terms of SRS rating as well

2012-13: All of the top 5 teams in the West had stronger SRS ratings than all but 1 of the top 5 teams in the East, and 4 playoff teams in the East have negative SRS ratings as opposed to 0 for the West


tl;dr: I feel that the most effective way to make up for the clear disparity in talent in both conferences is by seeding teams properly in an unconferenced playoff format

[jeebs9]

Re: 2/9 - 2/22 Games Discussion Thread

Hornets-Warriors off to a very weird start. Curry wasn't in the starting lineup. And it seems like he's missing right now.

He's father is saying he wasn't feeling well.

https://twitter.com/RTNBA/status/1363296437019246599?s=19

[dubcity]

Re: 2/9 - 2/22 Games Discussion Thread

... Tank mode initiated ...

[dubcity]

Re: 2/9 - 2/22 Games Discussion Thread

Every time I see those Oakland unis I'm reminded that they play in SF and I am conflicted.

[MrDubya]

Re: 2/9 - 2/22 Games Discussion Thread

How do y’all feel about these Miami unis? I kind of like the concept, personally. It gives me Miami Vice or GTA Vice City vibes, but I feel it could be done better. I dunno how to explain.

[Vni]

Re: 2/9 - 2/22 Games Discussion Thread

Kuuuuuz.

[dubcity]

Re: 2/9 - 2/22 Games Discussion Thread

Lamelo Ball weighs about the same as I do but is like 7 inches taller, and I'm pretty skinny. It's funny how you don't realize how skinny some of these players are until you see them play in IRL. I remember seeing Kobe play around 2007 and thinking he was way leaner than I thought he'd be based on TV lol.

[Vni]

Re: 2/9 - 2/22 Games Discussion Thread

Can someone tell Nunn to chill.

[ojandpizza]

Re: 2/9 - 2/22 Games Discussion Thread

Lamelo Ball weighs about the same as I do but is like 7 inches taller, and I'm pretty skinny. It's funny how you don't realize how skinny some of these players are until you see them play in IRL. I remember seeing Kobe play around 2007 and thinking he was way leaner than I thought he'd be based on TV lol.

This is why I get so annoyed when people in the 2k threads think everyone needs to be built like bodybuilders lol.


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[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: 2/9 - 2/22 Games Discussion Thread

Every time I see those Oakland unis I'm reminded that they play in SF and I am conflicted.

I’m still trying to figure out what the purpose of that was? Like they really couldn’t just leave Golden State on them?

[jeebs9]

Re: 2/9 - 2/22 Games Discussion Thread

Demarcus cousins to part ways from the Rockets?.... Just like that?

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1363263875219664896?s=19

[Vni]

Re: 2/9 - 2/22 Games Discussion Thread

Lebron in transition is amazing. Its mind blowing the shape he's in at his age.

[jeebs9]

Re: 2/9 - 2/22 Games Discussion Thread

Can someone tell Nunn to chill.

I love it. Only because he was the one piece in the finals that was lost for them. Especially when Dragic went down. But he was still recovering from COVID by that time. I think he had missed like a month or something like that.