2/23 - 3/4 Games Discussion Thread

[cima]

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Pretty sure it's right. They've been starting Murray, Walker, Johnson, Demar, and Aldridge/Poeltl

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Well that's probably why Conley got the nod then, replaced a guard with a guard


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[ProfessaPackMan]

2/23 - 3/4 Games Discussion Thread

Simmons and Embiid might not play tonight due to Contact Tracing protocols, per Shams and Woj

They were possibly exposed to someone who tested positive for COVID before they got to Atlanta.

Well that's probably why Conley got the nod then, replaced a guard with a guard


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I don’t think position matters because Booker was named as AD’s replacement.

[J_Posse]

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Well that's probably why Conley got the nod then, replaced a guard with a guard


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Demar is essentially a swingman on the Spurs, now, while Keldon Johnson & Trey Lyles have both been starting at PF.

So, snubbing DeMar to add "another guard" is an invalid argument.

Good for Conley that he finally makes an all - star team, but DeMar was way, way more deserving between the two.

Bball reference lists him as a PF this year...that can't be right...right?

Pretty sure it's right. They've been starting Murray, Walker, Johnson, Demar, and Aldridge/Poeltl

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Again, it isn't correct at all. DeMar has played a majority of his minutes at SF this season. Not sure who on basketball-reference.com is doing position assignments, but that is completely incorrect.

Keldon Johnson is usually the starting PF (even though he's undersized he's pretty strong for a SG/SF), while Trey Lyles has filled in when Keldon or DeMar (sliding Keldon to SF) have missed time.

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[ojandpizza]

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I wouldn’t have issue with DeRozan making it, or Fox, or SGA, but what on earth has DeRozan done to be considered a “snub” or be “way, way more deserving”... that’s laughable.


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[J_Posse]

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I wouldn’t have issue with DeRozan making it, or Fox, or SGA, but what on earth has DeRozan done to be considered a “snub” or be “way, way more deserving”... that’s laughable.


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I don't know leading the team to a winning record, leading the team in most advanced metrics, while playing in the tougher conference with a lot of (especially recently) line up volatility.

With the (formerly) second best player falling off a cliff and the second best ballhandler/playmaker playing only 8 out of 32 contests. Thankfully, DeJounte has grown as a scorer and playmaker this season, yet the fall off of Aldridge and injury/health issue of White has been minimized by DeMar's consistent, steadying play & his "gravity" on offense.

Again, it's my opinion and you don't need to agree but I believe he's been badly snubbed. Happens to two or three guys every year and I'm just pointing out that I think he's more deserving of the nod. The guy is playing the best all - around basketball of his career and still can't make the all - star team (again).

And the Spurs as a whole are better off with him resting and gearing up for the insane second half schedule.

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[dubcity]

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I don't think there are any snubs in a game that no one will remember or care about the next day. It's a completely disposable and meaningless exhibition game for the fans. Get voted in and you deserve to play.

[J_Posse]

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I don't think there are any snubs in a game that no one will remember or care about the next day. It's a completely disposable and meaningless exhibition game for the fans. Get voted in and you deserve to play.

Incentives in contracts and post - career accolades/accomplishments means that the all - star game, All - NBA, All - Defensive team nods will always matter.

And I definitely don't believe they should even be playing this year and should do the game "virtually" or some other nonsense.

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[dubcity]

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Incentives in contracts and post - career accolades/accomplishments means that the all - star game, All - NBA, All - Defensive team nods will always matter.

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DeRozan isn't mad about missing out on money or having all-star listed on his b-ref page. It's about perceived disrespect. Which is a symptom of the larger false belief that this is somehow owed based on accomplishment. If that were the case all-star teams would be selected the same as all-nba, etc.

[J_Posse]

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DeRozan isn't mad about missing out on money or having all-star listed on his b-ref page. It's about perceived disrespect. Which is a symptom of the larger false belief that this is somehow owed based on accomplishment. If that were the case all-star teams would be selected the same as all-nba, etc.

The criteria for being an all - star (after the "starters" are selected) is just as vague as any other post - season award, homie. The "goal posts" are moved constantly to suit people's narrative or choice, period.

He feels "disrepected" cause he's leading an overachieving team in nearly every statistical category & advanced metric, yet is past up for the 3rd best player on a perennial playoff team.

The Spurs were supposed to be a bottom feeder and barely in the playoff mix, yet somehow DeMar has kept their heads above water.

Again, I'm happy he isn't going because we need him rested for the 2nd half season grind, but I also realize he's more deserving to actually be there than Conley.

Lastly, the other 7 top playoff teams have at least one all - star and the NBA could've given the Spurs that person too. Instead, they choice to award Conley for never having been worthy of being an all - star.


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[dubcity]

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Be mad at the coaches for snubbing a guy who's been there 4 times, I guess? Or be mad at the fans and players. Every year we do this lol. And every year no one cares the next day.

[ojandpizza]

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I don't know leading the team to a winning record, leading the team in most advanced metrics

You mean the same conference Conley is playing in and his team has the best record in the league and Conley, while not leading in all those metics he is second to only Gobert and does lead them in BPM.

He feels "disrepected" cause he's leading an overachieving team in nearly every statistical category & advanced metric, yet is past up for the 3rd best player on a perennial playoff team.

Again Conley is leading or 2nd to Gobert in a lot of these same metrics and calling him the “3rd best player” is somewhat of a misconception as well. Gobert is their best defender, Mitchell obviously the most electric scoring threat with more “star power” if you will, but Conley is their most steady consistent player. He runs the offense, might be their best 2way player and if he’s not he’s at least on par with whoever is.. calling him the 3rd best player is almost like calling Chauncey Billups the 3rd best player on those Detroit teams. And yes Utah is a perennial playoff team (so is every team Pop coaches) but they aren’t the best team in the league without Conley playing this well.

but I also realize he's more deserving to actually be there than Conley.

seems like all the league coaches who voted him in and all the players who rushed to social media to defend his “snub” like they did with Booker would agree with you.. oh wait


Again I don’t think DeRozan wasn’t deserving. I don’t think Fox would have been either, or SGA, but Conley is right in that mix with all of them too. None of those guys have done anything to cause enough separation to make them a clear choice, DeRozan included. And you can’t go on rants telling us how valuable Murray has been with his improved decision making and all that stuff in one thread and then just completely ignore all those same traits the first time in comes up on a discussion for a non-Spur like this. Those same traits you go on about every time you mention Murray are the same things Conley is doing for the best team in the league.

Again I’d be fine with DeRozan being the choice but this “badly snubbed” and “way way more deserving” stuff is grossly exaggerated lol.


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[J_Posse]

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You mean the same conference Conley is playing in and his team has the best record in the league and Conley, while not leading in all those metics he is second to only Gobert and does lead them in BPM.




Again Conley is leading or 2nd to Gobert in a lot of these same metrics and calling him the “3rd best player” is somewhat of a misconception as well. Gobert is their best defender, Mitchell obviously the most electric scoring threat with more “star power” if you will, but Conley is their most steady consistent player. He runs the offense, might be their best 2way player and if he’s not he’s at least on par with whoever is.. calling him the 3rd best player is almost like calling Chauncey Billups the 3rd best player on those Detroit teams. And yes Utah is a perennial playoff team (so is every team Pop coaches) but they aren’t the best team in the league without Conley playing this well.

seems like all the league coaches who voted him in and all the players who rushed to social media to defend his “snub” like they did with Booker would agree with you.. oh wait


Again I don’t think DeRozan wasn’t deserving. I don’t think Fox would have been either, or SGA, but Conley is right in that mix with all of them too. None of those guys have done anything to cause enough separation to make them a clear choice, DeRozan included. And you can’t go on rants telling us how valuable Murray has been with his improved decision making and all that stuff in one thread and then just completely ignore all those same traits the first time in comes up on a discussion for a non-Spur like this. Those same traits you go on about every time you mention Murray are the same things Conley is doing for the best team in the league.

Again I’d be fine with DeRozan being the choice but this “badly snubbed” and “way way more deserving” stuff is grossly exaggerated lol.


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Not gonna respond to this ridiculous wall of text when DeMar is the better player with the superior numbers (on a winning team), but Conley gets in for being the "most consistent" player on Utah.

I'll just drop it instead of continuing to derail this thread, hopefully DeMar's play continues and he can use the clear snub as fuel for the second half.

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[ProfessaPackMan]

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Hyperbole game crazy sheesh

[The 24th Letter]

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Nothing to really derail Posse

How ya'll gonna complain about hot takes AND fun police all star discussions? [emoji38]

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[ojandpizza]

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Yeah because “being consistent” is the only argument I made and the only argument Conley has [emoji849].

Conley per 36 - 20/7/4/ 2 steals TS% 59
DeMar per 36 - 21/8/5 1 steal TS% 59

Conley - ORtg 123, DRtg 110, PER 19, WS 3.4, BPM 3.9, VORP 1.3

DeMar - ORtg 125, DRtg 112, PER 21, WS 4, BPM 3.6, VORP 1.4

DeMar on-off splits -5, Conley on-off splits +10.8

Clearly DeMar is just blowing him out of the water statistically as well. It’s not even close, way, way more deserving. And how is my wall of a text ant different or more ridiculous than your last 2-3 walls of text?


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