10/19 - 11/1 Games Discussion Thread

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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the context of the full quote he's not entirely wrong but coming from him is funny. mans been shooting blind to start the year. also that's a quote you just keep in house.

I don't think it's really a big deal, how they are playing is the big deal lol.

Yeah, definitely something you'd probably prefer to see handled in house (though maybe he's already tried?) He isn't exactly wrong though. Having your offense built around two guys that are both poor passers isn't ideal. They're talented enough that it still works for the most part, but you'd definitely like to see more progress from them than they've shown up to this point.

It definitely stuck out in the Wizards-Celtics game the other night. Late game and both OTs were just Tatum and Brown isolating on one end and Beal and Dinwiddie isolating on the other. Both teams just throwing up crap praying something would go in.

[areobee401]

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Nothing changes until one or two of Smart, Brown, or Tatum are traded. You cannot not and will not compete for a championship with them as your core. Been saying since the bubble there was something sour going on surrounding the Celtics. It's fundamentally broken and beyond the point of fixing.

Blow, It. Up.

[ojandpizza]

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Brown for Beal who says no?

Washington has been winning games even with Beal struggling, they would get younger, bigger, and better defensively with this trade without sacrificing much scoring (if any)..

Tatum and Beal playing together has been "rumored" for awhile now. There no guarantee here that a move like this would fix any of Boston's current issues but Tatum has already said he's tried to recruit Beal to Boston numerous times. Would be a shake up and a pairing of two guys who want to play together, Smart always has seemingly high interest if he needed to be moved to a 3rd team. He cannot be traded for another month though.

I do wonder if a package of Smart, Hernangomez, Richardson or something similar would entice Dallas to get off of that Porzingis contract.. Not that Boston would have a want for him, but if they could get Dallas to include Brunson in that deal for taking on that contract they could also land their PG of the future as well. It's not going to be Schroder.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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Brown for Beal who says no?

Washington has been winning games even with Beal struggling, they would get younger, bigger, and better defensively with this trade without sacrificing much scoring (if any)..

Tatum and Beal playing together has been "rumored" for awhile now. There no guarantee here that a move like this would fix any of Boston's current issues but Tatum has already said he's tried to recruit Beal to Boston numerous times. Would be a shake up and a pairing of two guys who want to play together, Smart always has seemingly high interest if he needed to be moved to a 3rd team. He cannot be traded for another month though.

I do wonder if a package of Smart, Hernangomez, Richardson or something similar would entice Dallas to get off of that Porzingis contract.. Not that Boston would have a want for him, but if they could get Dallas to include Brunson in that deal for taking on that contract they could also land their PG of the future as well. It's not going to be Schroder.

I don't think swapping Brown for Beal fixes anything unless you just think the issue is Tatum and Brown don't like each other. Skillset wise, Beal certainly doesn't fix the ball movement issues and would be a downgrade defensively too.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Brown for Beal who says no?



Washington has been winning games even with Beal struggling, they would get younger, bigger, and better defensively with this trade without sacrificing much scoring (if any)..



Tatum and Beal playing together has been "rumored" for awhile now. There no guarantee here that a move like this would fix any of Boston's current issues but Tatum has already said he's tried to recruit Beal to Boston numerous times.

I haven’t heard much of Tatum/Beal being “rumored” to play together and in the few that I’ve heard(been like 1)it’s because they’re both from St. Louis. Not to mention, every star in the league has been trying recruit Beal for the last few years so Tatum ain’t doing anything special from that aspect, lol.

The fact that the Wiz have been winning(so far because it’s still hella early)with Beal not playing like usual self and the team still missing key rotational bodies(Rui, Bryant) would make them less inclined to move him(not that they’re going to anyway unless he specifically asks for it)because we know he’s going to hit his stride where you can rely on getting 25-30 consistently a night because he’s shown that for the last few years. Brown hasn’t shown that and while obviously the situation/team he’s been on hasn’t required him to do that, the fact still remains, which is also why I don’t agree the notion that they wouldn’t sacrifice much, if any scoring.

So to answer your question, the Wizards will say no.

[cima]

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[areobee401]

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Celtics either need to trade Brown and Smart for an alpha (Beal ain’t it) to play alongside Tatum or trade him because he’s not winning anything as THE guy on your team. The Celtics won’t do the latter though, unless he pulls a Harden and goes awol. If I had to guess moving Smart, Williams, and stuff for another 3rd guy to play alongside Brown and Tatum, until eventually running that guy off too with the toxic makeup inside that locker room. Unless eliminating Smart from the equation is enough to fix the stink around the team. Which it just might be. IDK, changes do need to be made regardless.


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[bigeastbumrush]

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I’d keep Brown over Tatum every day of the week.

I’d actually look to ship Tatum for Dame.

[ojandpizza]

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I haven’t heard much of Tatum/Beal being “rumored” to play together and in the few that I’ve heard(been like 1)it’s because they’re both from St. Louis. Not to mention, every star in the league has been trying recruit Beal for the last few years so Tatum ain’t doing anything special from that aspect, lol.

The fact that the Wiz have been winning(so far because it’s still hella early)with Beal not playing like usual self and the team still missing key rotational bodies(Rui, Bryant) would make them less inclined to move him(not that they’re going to anyway unless he specifically asks for it)because we know he’s going to hit his stride where you can rely on getting 25-30 consistently a night because he’s shown that for the last few years. Brown hasn’t shown that and while obviously the situation/team he’s been on hasn’t required him to do that, the fact still remains, which is also why I don’t agree the notion that they wouldn’t sacrifice much, if any scoring.

So to answer your question, the Wizards will say no.

idk man I wouldn't quite say Beal has shown that and Brown hasn't.. Beal has but on really bad teams, and Brown made that jump last year and is doing it again this year. Brown might be more of an efficiently get you 25 vs Beal efficiently get you 30, but at the current rate the team is going collectively I'm not sure how much that difference matters. To me I would rather see them have multiple guys going every night than Beal settle back into that groove of taking 25 shots a game... I see Brown as a younger, bigger, better defender, who's also under contract for the foreseeable future.

I don't think Washington willingly just moves away from Beal, they are winning and don't NEED to shake anything up. But if it gets closer to that deadline and Beal still hasn't said he's accepting his player option (whether he actually asks out or not) and a team like Boston comes along offering me a player like Brown when I don't know Beal's offseason plans.. I'm at least thinking pretty hard on that. From the Washington side of things it's more intriguing to me than the Boston side. I think Brown offers tons of defensive versatility on a team that actually could use a guy to defend the league's best SFs.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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idk man I wouldn't quite say Beal has shown that and Brown hasn't.. Beal has but on really bad teams, and Brown made that jump last year and is doing it again this year. Brown might be more of an efficiently get you 25 vs Beal efficiently get you 30, but at the current rate the team is going collectively I'm not sure how much that difference matters. To me I would rather see them have multiple guys going every night than Beal settle back into that groove of taking 25 shots a game... I see Brown as a younger, bigger, better defender, who's also under contract for the foreseeable future.

Beal has shown that though, again for the last few years(aka 3-4 years) and has been consistent with it, regardless of how bad the team was, which shouldn’t matter in this instance when talking about Beal’s scoring(how they score their points is a different discussion aside from whether or not anyone would make this deal).

You mentioned it earlier that the team has been playing better despite Beal not playing like his normal self so why would you assume he’d go back into shooting 25 shots if the supporting cast/team is better? Unless you don’t think it’s sustainable or you see them reverting back into the Wizards team of last year where much of the load was put on him and Russ. So far(heavy emphasis on this part because again, it’s still early and the sample size is still too small)he’s got other guys that have been picking up the burden.

Ultimately it comes down to what you value more for your team, Defense or Scoring.

[BleacherBum2310]

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ahem

Stat in here: The Celtics have outscored teams by 9.3 points per 100 possessions with Tatum and Brown both on the court, but they have crumbled during other situations. Their net rating with Brown on the bench so far is a comical -22.2.

I wouldn't trade either lol. Tatum is still the better player because Tatum D is still worlds better than Jaylen. Jaylen off ball is very bad. though I will say Tatum numbers post covid is very interesting especially with his defensive impact numbers. Roster construction also could be an issue with this team, shooting around the Jays I mean. I didn't think would be an issue but maybe i was dead wrong. Also under Ime their usage of Tatum has been hysterically bad alot more bully ball stuff than what was under Brad, and Tatums playmaking has simply gone away alot of that is on him though. I still think the Jays work, trying to find that 3rd star would still be my goal.

and no I would not trade Brown for Beal unless for some reason Tatum is unhappy. Brown is a stud and that doesn't put them anywhere closer to a championship contender.

[Master Live 013]

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Or or or, hear me out, we are 7 games in with a new coach and perhaps you should wait a bit longer.

[areobee401]

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Or or or, hear me out, we are 7 games in with a new coach and perhaps you should wait a bit longer.

Can his *** too. [emoji23]


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[DieHardYankee26]

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Or or or, hear me out, we are 7 games in with a new coach and perhaps you should wait a bit longer.

I've heard and respect your argument but have you considered this counterpoint (skip to 43 seconds if you're on mobile):

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[Hassan Darkside]

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It's definitely a weird quote to come from a player.

"They're still learning and we're proud of the progress they are making, but they are going to have to make another step and find ways to not only create for themselves but create for others on this team."

This sounds like something you'd hear from a coach or front office person, not someone talking about their teammates. It's a weird positioning of himself as above or separate from them, using "we" and "they" and probably isn't going over well with the team behind the scenes.

"There's only so much I can do without the ball in my hands, I just stand in the corner"

Dude is shooting 29% from the field and 28% from three. If he doesn't want to stand in the corner, he should go sit down.

I feel like every time there's some Celtics drama, Marcus Smart's name is close by it. I'd move him first before touching those other guys. They were just in the ECF 2 seasons ago.