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[ProfessaPackMan]

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KD and Stan Van Gundy had a back and forth on Twitter a few days ago about it. I don't know the numbers but it appears that on top of the bad optics, load management doesn't correlate to guys being any healthier now than back in the day before sports science was a thing.

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They were actually on the same side.

Whole thread is worth the read:

https://twitter.com/realstanvg/status/1615472396214968323?s=46&t=jDBgM3qffuVgEG4UNMn3UQ

[ProfessaPackMan]

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All Star Starter Voting Result for those interested:

https://twitter.com/kyleneubeck/status/1618777976598069249?s=46&t=jDBgM3qffuVgEG4UNMn3UQ

[King_B_Mack]

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All I know is we’re heading towards a lock out for the next CBA and this is going to be number 1 or number 2 issue on the docket for the owners. You can’t be paying guys $45-60 million a year for them to be sitting out 10-15 games a year fully healthy whenever they feel like it right now.

The league could realistically address this in different ways. Maybe take sort of an NFL bye week approach where once you hit December or January between then and the end of February, maybe the first week of March you assign a block of teams their rest week where they’re free to rest any players as many games they want during that week unless it’s a nationally televised game. If the team has 2 national games that week they can sit them out of one but not both or at the very least can limit their minutes to no more than 15 for that other game.

Or maybe you can do it like 2 way contracts where players have x amount of rest days they’re allowed to use a month or per season.

I’m not necessarily a fan of the league dictating personnel/strategy decisions like that to teams, but the way teams/players are going about this unchecked ain’t it either.


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[ojandpizza]

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All I know is we’re heading towards a lock out for the next CBA and this is going to be number 1 or number 2 issue on the docket for the owners. You can’t be paying guys $45-60 million a year for them to be sitting out 10-15 games a year fully healthy whenever they feel like it right now.

The league could realistically address this in different ways. Maybe take sort of an NFL bye week approach where once you hit December or January between then and the end of February, maybe the first week of March you assign a block of teams their rest week where they’re free to rest any players as many games they want during that week unless it’s a nationally televised game. If the team has 2 national games that week they can sit them out of one but not both or at the very least can limit their minutes to no more than 15 for that other game.

Or maybe you can do it like 2 way contracts where players have x amount of rest days they’re allowed to use a month or per season.

I’m not necessarily a fan of the league dictating personnel/strategy decisions like that to teams, but the way teams/players are going about this unchecked ain’t it either.


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But the thing is I don't think it's just the players doing it, in some instances we've had the teams/doctors/coaches/management being the ones to encourage it. And at the end of the day outside of a few people flipping the channel because they get in their feels about it how would this effect the owners? They're getting the money regardless, tickets are already bought, the TV slot is already there. It doesn't effect them. If anything if they are led to believe that this will prolong the health of the guys who make them the most money they likely aren't against this at all.

Like do we think Mark Cuban cares about the 400k or whatever it would be per game if Luka sits a couple of games when having him on his team is helping propel them to being a 4 billion dollar franchise? And he's getting more TV slots, more ad money, etc because he has a healthy superstar?

And even just the point overall. Who is missing 10-15 games a year because they just feel like it when healthy? Is it anybody outside the Clippers guys, or some of random Kyrie situations. That was kind of my point in the other posts. It's like the Harden/Rockets thing when people acted like the whole league was playing the way they were at the frequency they were, or the take foul when people acted like it was happening 15 times a game instead once, or like this example where we just have tons of healthy guys sitting 10-15 games a year instead of a handful.

It took Golden State resting some guys for one game to stir the whole topic up again and getting people back on the too many guys sitting two many games narrative.

[King_B_Mack]

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But the thing is I don't think it's just the players doing it, in some instances we've had the teams/doctors/coaches/management being the ones to encourage it. And at the end of the day outside of a few people flipping the channel because they get in their feels about it how would this effect the owners? They're getting the money regardless, tickets are already bought, the TV slot is already there. It doesn't effect them. If anything if they are led to believe that this will prolong the health of the guys who make them the most money they likely aren't against this at all.

Like do we think Mark Cuban cares about the 400k or whatever it would be per game if Luka sits a couple of games when having him on his team is helping propel them to being a 4 billion dollar franchise? And he's getting more TV slots, more ad money, etc because he has a healthy superstar?

And even just the point overall. Who is missing 10-15 games a year because they just feel like it when healthy? Is it anybody outside the Clippers guys, or some of random Kyrie situations. That was kind of my point in the other posts. It's like the Harden/Rockets thing when people acted like the whole league was playing the way they were at the frequency they were, or the take foul when people acted like it was happening 15 times a game instead once, or like this example where we just have tons of healthy guys sitting 10-15 games a year instead of a handful.

It took Golden State resting some guys for one game to stir the whole topic up again and getting people back on the too many guys sitting two many games narrative.

I said teams/players. And what do you mean it doesn't affect the league? If television partners have concerns that they're shelling out billions of dollars for NBA games and then tanking ratings in those games because teams are sitting half their starting lineups in them then it absolutely affects the league. NBA ratings are declining, fans have been voicing their displeasure with the league for some time now, hell interest in this forum isn't what it used to be and we just had people in here talking about how little they watch now. Granted not all of those reasons are about load management but it's been one of the biggest factors listed over the years for turning people off the league. That is absolutely an issue that affects the league.

It's also more than just the Clippers doing this and you know this. This has been going on for years now, but it's gotten worse in the last several. It is what it is at this point.

[Master Live 013]

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The first thing to know is: does it work? Meaning: does load management significantly increases the ability of a player to stay healthier than if he didn't load managed? I'm sure some teams (the smart ones) have data that points in one direction or the other.

If it works, then it is what it is. The Playoffs are the thing, and if load management helps players be healthy for the Playoffs then I'm for it.

I understand, that may not be satisfactory for some since the regular season has definitely been diminished. But that's why, outside of selected games, I have given up on regular seasons for all sports.

I just hope from event to event, Super Bowl to March Madness to The Masters to the PGA Championship to The Finals to the US Open to The Open to the World Series to the College Playoffs and back again.

You sprinkle in some Olympics and World Cup and you are done.

Then there are movies/series, video games, fantasy, books, work (boooo!) and politics (that's right). Not much time to spare :P

In the Playoffs no one load manages, players play hard, they try to play their best. If players don't care about the regular season, why should I care.

[King_B_Mack]

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Bruh can James Dolan be the next owner out in sports?

So this dude really kicked off some more mess by implementing facial recognition technology at MSG and other places that he owns and is actively using it to ban paying customers (and Charles Oakley) including lawyers who's firms are suing MSG. One firm is looking to get MSG's liquor license revoked after one of it's lawyers was barred entry into Radio City Music Hall as she attempted entry as a Girl Scouts chaperone. Now NY Attorney General Letitia James has officially requested more information from MSG about the practice of banning people through facial recognition as he's been doing.

Dolan's response to the firm trying to get his liquor license revoked at MSG is:

One firm that has had its employees barred from MSG has reportedly said it will try to have MSG’s liquor license revoked. Dolan said Tuesday he may ban liquor sales at a future Knicks or Rangers game to prove a point, saying MSG would put up a photo of the CEO of the State Liquor Authority, along with his email and phone number, in the arena to encourage fans to contact him instead.

[DieHardYankee26]

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Nah, putting up that photo would be peak comedy.

[Brother Love]

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Nah, putting up that photo would be peak comedy.

I watched the interview and thought it was the funniest thing that goober has ever done.


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[bigeastbumrush]

NBA Off Topic Thread

Bruh can James Dolan be the next owner out in sports?

So this dude really kicked off some more mess by implementing facial recognition technology at MSG and other places that he owns and is actively using it to ban paying customers (and Charles Oakley) including lawyers who's firms are suing MSG. One firm is looking to get MSG's liquor license revoked after one of it's lawyers was barred entry into Radio City Music Hall as she attempted entry as a Girl Scouts chaperone. Now NY Attorney General Letitia James has officially requested more information from MSG about the practice of banning people through facial recognition as he's been doing.

Dolan's response to the firm trying to get his liquor license revoked at MSG is:

Fireable offense? It’s his building and his teams.

I don’t have a problem with it as much as others seem to have.

My problem is that it’s just one more reason for a player/agent to not want to sign with the team.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Rest of the interview he did is here:

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/35540225/james-dolan-backs-knicks-president-leon-rose-best-guy-job

Dolan has done an excellent job there and deserves to remain owner as long as he’s alive.

[Majingir]

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Embiid:


NBA:

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1619136038949060608?s=20&t=tFll0LygXVvMDW7fuRBV5w

Embiids likely response:

https://youtu.be/V3qV4x1eiPw

[King_B_Mack]

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LMAO this ain't wrong

https://twitter.com/SupremeDreams_1/status/1619143034448519169?s=20&t=q0XUX3I0oKzNK5q-tiqzAw

[ojandpizza]

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SMH.. sad night in Memphis.

[Majingir]

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An apparent scandal with the Grizzlies could've just been uncovered.

Internet is going crazy speculating that the Grizzlies scorekeeper is inflating stats, specifically with JJJ.

There's a decent amount of evidence that suggests it too. Seems like blocks and steals are the main thing.

In the day and age of legal sports betting, this could be an even bigger issue. This doesn't impact the results of games (unlike refs sketchy calls), but anyone who bets knows how much of an impact this could make on parlays/player bets when you bet on some big thing like a player getting at least 2 steals and/or blocks in a game.

And if you're betting on him winning DPOY, those numbers impact a lot.

I know in hockey it's been a long standing thing where scorekeepers inflate certain numbers like hits. It definitely makes you wonder how accurate scorekeeping truly is when it comes to the lesser stats. You can't make up a field goal attempt in basketball or a touchdown in football, but you could make up a steal, a hit, a block, after the fact.