Re: NBA Off Topic Thread
He was 3 games behind Giannis and Joel.
Answer this much then. Has the MVP vote ever been defined as “this seed or higher”? There has always been some degree of best player on best team, but that had zero application to this seasons voting as all 3 of the top 3 vote getters were 13+ games behind Phoenix. To your point, had either of Joel or Giannis won 60 games or something they would have ran away with the vote..
But just 3 games? Trying to distinguish seeding because of how it “looks” when we are looking at just 3 games feels nerdier than even the nerdiest of all advanced stats lol.
At one point it was estimated Jokic had 56 of 71 first place votes.. you think all those voters really look at ONLY advanced stats? I’d say at least half of them probably share this same “nerds” logic that you do and still voted him. Of course people who lean heavy into analytics picked him, he was dominant in that sense.
But to act like Joel or Giannis won enough games over him to pull that argument in the opposite direction isn’t really factual. 3 games.
These 3 guys all dominated the “nerd” stats because all of those stats regardless of how nerdy you consider them do correlate to the players who had the best year. If Giannis won advanced stats would have played a role, if Embiid won advanced stats would have played a role. People being mad at stats because Jokic won is so weird to me. It would have applied to any of the 3 and been the largest factor for it not being Booker/Ja/Tatum.
Every MVP winner has been largely voted for because of stats. Even “leading scorer best team” is a vote based on a stat, points per game. A stat far emptier than some of the ones everyone is upset about because of this voting at that.
I don’t see how any criteria has changed at all. I see more so people acting like 3 games is 10+ games.
He was 3 games behind Giannis and Joel.
Answer this much then. Has the MVP vote ever been defined as “this seed or higher”? There has always been some degree of best player on best team, but that had zero application to this seasons voting as all 3 of the top 3 vote getters were 13+ games behind Phoenix. To your point, had either of Joel or Giannis won 60 games or something they would have ran away with the vote..
But just 3 games? Trying to distinguish seeding because of how it “looks” when we are looking at just 3 games feels nerdier than even the nerdiest of all advanced stats lol.
At one point it was estimated Jokic had 56 of 71 first place votes.. you think all those voters really look at ONLY advanced stats? I’d say at least half of them probably share this same “nerds” logic that you do and still voted him. Of course people who lean heavy into analytics picked him, he was dominant in that sense.
But to act like Joel or Giannis won enough games over him to pull that argument in the opposite direction isn’t really factual. 3 games.
These 3 guys all dominated the “nerd” stats because all of those stats regardless of how nerdy you consider them do correlate to the players who had the best year. If Giannis won advanced stats would have played a role, if Embiid won advanced stats would have played a role. People being mad at stats because Jokic won is so weird to me. It would have applied to any of the 3 and been the largest factor for it not being Booker/Ja/Tatum.
Every MVP winner has been largely voted for because of stats. Even “leading scorer best team” is a vote based on a stat, points per game. A stat far emptier than some of the ones everyone is upset about because of this voting at that.
I don’t see how any criteria has changed at all. I see more so people acting like 3 games is 10+ games.
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