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[DieHardYankee26]

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Kyrie's biggest problem is that he needs to be humble.



My hope is that Kyrie saw the documentary and before doing due diligence he made that post. I think we've all done that at some point. But then because of his arrogance he dug his heels and took the yall just don't see things as deep as me mindset.

He also mentioned it in his apology but you can tell in his statements he was more concerned with the idea that he could be labeled anti-semitic and lashing out at that than looking into what his post meant to Jewish people. I agree it was much more arrogance than malice. Makes the whole thing that much more stupid.

[ehh]

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It actually quotes Hitler….

Even better, a phony quote attributed to Hitler.

I love that Kyrie said, "I know the Oxford dictionary".

Kyrie is the same as a million other nutjobs in this country, he's just a famous millionaire. Of course, the major issue is his potential influence but nothing this idiot says or does will surprise me.

Kudos to the ADL for refusing to accept Kyrie's $500k donation.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Kyrie's biggest problem is that he needs to be humble.



My hope is that Kyrie saw the documentary and before doing due diligence he made that post. I think we've all done that at some point. But then because of his arrogance he dug his heels and took the yall just don't see things as deep as me mindset.

Just curious as to what you mean by he needs to be humble?

Because whenever people say that about someone, it usually means they want something bad to happen to that person so they can brought back down to Earth or where WE think they should be.

I used to like NBA drama when it was players teaming up, forming super teams, leading other teams on then signing with another in the middle of the night, etc.

Props to you guys for spending all your energy on this new NBA drama but it ain’t for me. Indecent exposure, sexual misconduct, workplace affairs, anti-semitism…y’all like talking about this stuff?

All this **** going on is not what I think people want from a pro sports league.


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Don’t forget women beaters.

But I don’t think fans care about that anymore.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Double post

[jeebs9]

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I just don't have any space for Kyrie anymore. I can't imagine he'll be on any team next year. What he did in Cleveland and Boston was one thing. But now he's entered an entirely different zone.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Again I say, if media are planning on asking every NBA player about this, it’s going to go exactly how everyone thinks it will go.

And nothing good or productive will come out of it for anyone.

[dubcity]

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Again I say, if media are planning on asking every NBA player about this, it’s going to go exactly how everyone thinks it will go.

And nothing good or productive will come out of it for anyone.

I heard someone today asking why KD didn't speak out earlier, or why Chris Paul or LeBron didn't unilaterally speak up, like it's everyone's responsibility chime in.

[tru11]

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I heard someone today asking why KD didn't speak out earlier, or why Chris Paul or LeBron didn't unilaterally speak up, like it's everyone's responsibility chime in.

Probably because they where very vocal about sarver and such.

So i guess people will expect them to keep that same energy.



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[ggsimmonds]

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Just curious as to what you mean by he needs to be humble?

Because whenever people say that about someone, it usually means they want something bad to happen to that person so they can brought back down to Earth or where WE think they should be.

Usually they use "humbled" in that case.

When I say he needs to be humble, I mean personal growth.

One is saying the lesson needs to come from within, the other is saying something external needs to deliver the lesson

[ojandpizza]

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So my thoughts..

The reason I wasn't ready to kill Kyrie initially is because he didn't actually say anything. He shared an Amazon link. He didn't write the book, produce the movie, put it on Amazon, he didn't even give his opinion on it, speak on what parts he did/didn't believe. He didn't even say he read/watched the damn thing.

He has the freedom to watch whatever he wants, to post/share whatever he wants to his social platforms. If that offends somebody they are not forced to follow Kyrie and consume his content. He caused no harm to anybody directly, nobody who sees his post has to follow him, they don't have to watch the movie.. Like I don't know how people don't get exhausted with worrying about what other people do or to constantly be in the mindset of "my views are the only ones that matter and if you do/share/say anything I don't agree with I must fix you or destroy you"..

And I'm not saying it's ok to like or promote a movie (I haven't watched it) that I'm assuming is full of misinformation and anti-semitic views. But he didn't make the damn movie, people were mad at the wrong person here IMO.. But knowing how Kyrie feels about every situation I'm assuming even if he has watched the movie those parts of it aren't what his takeaway was, at least not directly.

In his apology he says

I had no intentions to disrespect any Jewish cultural history regarding the Holocaust or perpetuate any hate.

Which if you follow Kyrie at all and any of the other things he said/shared, that part is easily believable and what my initial reaction to all this was. This isn't the firs time you see Kyrie doing deep dives into black heritage, and blacks being chosen people and other content in relation to that. So my take from the very start of all of this was him just leaning in to that not really even remotely considering how it effects anybody who isn't black. That is how everything he says/does typically is.

With ALL that said.. I'm not saying it's ok for him to be "promoting" that type of content. I just wasn't ready to kill the guy for doing something that I don't at all believe was his actual intent. People are so quick to label people things, to jump on them any time they slip up or do something that can be viewed a certain way.. Instead of giving people the benefit of the doubt of "this isn't cool but I don't think he realized or meant it that way". Like it would have been much easier, more beneficial, to explain to Kyrie why that was wrong rather than having millions of people labeling him with hate speech, and telling him he has anti-semitic beliefs. You can't tell somebody else how they think. Basically I think intent matters, and if you can't respect a persons intent and just assume whatever you want to assume then don't be angry when they do/don't care if it offends you because they now have to defend themselves.. It goes both ways.

That was where I was coming from initially. Since Kyrie has had plenty of chances to clarify, apologize, whatever and he just wouldn't do it. Answering every question with the same reverse question crap that he always does where he tries to sound smarter than everybody in the room or refuse to say what somebody wants him to say. Keep answering the same question with "I cannot be anti-semitic if I know where I come from".. Which answers nothing, solves nothing, and doesn't even remotely come close to even giving his perspective. It's the same answer as all the "how can I be racist if I have a black friend".. It's a bull**** answer that doesn't clarify or justify any of the crap he stirred up.

I realize he now has made a more genuine apology. But not doing so until he got pressure from the team, league, sponsors, fans, and then suspended without pay.. Basically didn't own up to anything until he actually lost money.. Terrible look... I defended him because I thought he either didn't mean to come across as he was labeled, or too ignorant on the subject to realize he was. both reasons I felt he didn't deserve the initial hate.. But I can't defend him at this point on the subject. He just digs his own grave every time he speaks on anything. Wild

[Master Live 013]

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Saw this one in Defector:

In fairness to Kyrie, he is making rapid progress. The flat-earth theory was debunked in the fifth century B.C. Vaccines have been widely accepted since at least the 1800s. And the holocaust deniers only date back to the 1940s. By this time next year he should be ready to take on Saddam and his WMDs.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Usually they use "humbled" in that case.



When I say he needs to be humble, I mean personal growth.



One is saying the lesson needs to come from within, the other is saying something external needs to deliver the lesson

You’re right.

My apologies sir.


Separate from your post(and also not in response to anything you said, I’m just adding so I don’t double post), at this point I feel like this whole thing from how it’s been covered, discussed…it’s much bigger than just him and his thoughts.

I’m not going to say it exposed people, but it definitely made a lot of people tell on themselves as far as how they really feel about Black Athletes in particular.

Probably because they where very vocal about sarver and such.

So i guess people will expect them to keep that same energy.



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Yeah but when people do that, it comes across as if you’re trying to play gotcha. “Oh, you’ll speak out on that but not this? I guess that means you’re one of them too SMH”

While ignoring the fact that people tend to speak out on issues that affect their community/group.

Like it would be naive of me to expect White People to speak on issues that go on in the Black Community or Black People to speak on issues in the Asian Community and vice versa.

[dubcity]

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Saw this one in Defector:

Funny, but not all accurate.

[King_B_Mack]

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“Kyrie refuses to unequivocally say he has no antisemitic beliefs”.

Ok. But is that a contractual requirement for him to play ball?

Whoever worded that statement opened the team up for an easy lawsuit.

This season is an absolute mess.

Uhhh yeah...most of these contracts have morality clauses in them and teams are well within their rights to hold players to them. Even at my old crappy *** retail job making absolutely no money worth a damn part of your employment terms were that you represented the company and you could be suspended/terminated for your social media posts and anything you do or say that reflects negatively on the company's reputation. This **** isn't new. Why so many people are acting like it is is kind of mind boggling to me.

So my thoughts..

The reason I wasn't ready to kill Kyrie initially is because he didn't actually say anything. He shared an Amazon link. He didn't write the book, produce the movie, put it on Amazon, he didn't even give his opinion on it, speak on what parts he did/didn't believe. He didn't even say he read/watched the damn thing.

He has the freedom to watch whatever he wants, to post/share whatever he wants to his social platforms. If that offends somebody they are not forced to follow Kyrie and consume his content. He caused no harm to anybody directly, nobody who sees his post has to follow him, they don't have to watch the movie.. Like I don't know how people don't get exhausted with worrying about what other people do or to constantly be in the mindset of "my views are the only ones that matter and if you do/share/say anything I don't agree with I must fix you or destroy you"..

And I'm not saying it's ok to like or promote a movie (I haven't watched it) that I'm assuming is full of misinformation and anti-semitic views. But he didn't make the damn movie, people were mad at the wrong person here IMO.. But knowing how Kyrie feels about every situation I'm assuming even if he has watched the movie those parts of it aren't what his takeaway was, at least not directly.

In his apology he says Which if you follow Kyrie at all and any of the other things he said/shared, that part is easily believable and what my initial reaction to all this was. This isn't the firs time you see Kyrie doing deep dives into black heritage, and blacks being chosen people and other content in relation to that. So my take from the very start of all of this was him just leaning in to that not really even remotely considering how it effects anybody who isn't black. That is how everything he says/does typically is.

With ALL that said.. I'm not saying it's ok for him to be "promoting" that type of content. I just wasn't ready to kill the guy for doing something that I don't at all believe was his actual intent. People are so quick to label people things, to jump on them any time they slip up or do something that can be viewed a certain way.. Instead of giving people the benefit of the doubt of "this isn't cool but I don't think he realized or meant it that way". Like it would have been much easier, more beneficial, to explain to Kyrie why that was wrong rather than having millions of people labeling him with hate speech, and telling him he has anti-semitic beliefs. You can't tell somebody else how they think. Basically I think intent matters, and if you can't respect a persons intent and just assume whatever you want to assume then don't be angry when they do/don't care if it offends you because they now have to defend themselves.. It goes both ways.

That was where I was coming from initially. Since Kyrie has had plenty of chances to clarify, apologize, whatever and he just wouldn't do it. Answering every question with the same reverse question crap that he always does where he tries to sound smarter than everybody in the room or refuse to say what somebody wants him to say. Keep answering the same question with "I cannot be anti-semitic if I know where I come from".. Which answers nothing, solves nothing, and doesn't even remotely come close to even giving his perspective. It's the same answer as all the "how can I be racist if I have a black friend".. It's a bull**** answer that doesn't clarify or justify any of the crap he stirred up.

I realize he now has made a more genuine apology. But not doing so until he got pressure from the team, league, sponsors, fans, and then suspended without pay.. Basically didn't own up to anything until he actually lost money.. Terrible look... I defended him because I thought he either didn't mean to come across as he was labeled, or too ignorant on the subject to realize he was. both reasons I felt he didn't deserve the initial hate.. But I can't defend him at this point on the subject. He just digs his own grave every time he speaks on anything. Wild

*smh*

[DieHardYankee26]

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I’m not going to say it exposed people, but it definitely made a lot of people tell on themselves as far as how they really feel about Black Athletes in particular.

In what way?