January Games Discussion Thread

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Oh hey look at that the leagues L2M report states that not only did Mitchell commit a lame violation, but Jarrett Allen should have been called for a travel at 12.1 seconds left in regulation.

We can suck just fine all on our own without officiating help thank you very much


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Well make sure y’all have this suck energy(pause)tonight too.

[jeebs9]

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Giannis drops 55. Scoring has been ridiculous lately. Feels like somebody is gonna beat Kobe's 81 soon.

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Like the captions says. 55 is ok. 57 points would of been really nice!

https://twitter.com/johnschuhmann/status/1610480592340275200?t=XM0OzisR2v9ISVKhkmXrMQ&s=19

[ProfessaPackMan]

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I mean maybe. We don’t really know until we see the game.

Kobe’s game pace was 95. Luka just put up 60 points, 21 boards, and 10 assists in a game that had a pace of 94. Played a few more minutes, and 60 isn’t 80, but he also didn’t hoist up 46 shots lol. If Luka said **** then assists and boards and tossed up nearly 50 shots he might have hit 80 too.

Regardless he likely contributed roughly the same amount of offense via scoring points + assisted points and added an extra 15 boards to go with it.

Random but this post is an example of how Basketball convos can go in person vs. the Internet lol.

Because if you told this to a group of people in person(Barbershop for example)they’d look at you like you have 3 heads on your shoulders for trying to even link the 2 but on the Internet, this is fine.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Giannis drops 55. Scoring has been ridiculous lately. Feels like somebody is gonna beat Kobe's 81 soon.

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What do you think is the cause for this?

I know the easy answer is to say “There’s a lot of talented players/scorers in the league” which is true but I also think it’s more than that, especially if these start becoming more frequent.

[ojandpizza]

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What do you think is the cause for this?

I know the easy answer is to say “There’s a lot of talented players/scorers in the league” which is true but I also think it’s more than that, especially if these start becoming more frequent.

Like dub said the pace of play from the past couple of years has been the highest it's been since the 80's. Combine that with it being normal for guys to toss up a ton of threes and get to the line a lot because instead of there being 1-2 guys in the league who ALWAYS have the ball we have 10+ now. All of that definitely plays a role.

Some of it I think is just situation. The Mitchell game for example. He was blistering hot, but that game also went into overtime, and they were missing Garland and Mobley. All of that had to happen for him to get there and that would have applied if it was 2023 or 1998. He needed the extra time, possession, touches, outside his norm.

I also don't think it's quite as frequent as it feels because of how close some of these were together so it's more so "fresh" on our minds. There are 82 games all time of 60+ points for example. If not for a blown over the line call in that Cavs-Bulls game Luka would be the only player this year to hit 60. Which isn't all that crazy or out of the historic norm.

How frequently guys hit 40, or hit 50, that might be something different. I'm sure with pace and play-style alone there is somewhat of a bump. But even looking back to the early 2000s in basically the slowest paced era of all time it wasn't weird for all of Kobe, AI, Vince, Arenas, T-Mac etc to go for 50. For the most part it's still just a handful of guys now too.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Zion to miss the next few weeks with a hamstring strain, per Woj.

[DamnYanks2]

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What do you think is the cause for this?

I know the easy answer is to say “There’s a lot of talented players/scorers in the league” which is true but I also think it’s more than that, especially if these start becoming more frequent.

Teams definitely don't play the defense like they used too. Teams like to trade baskets at times. There's not a real urgency to guard the 3 point shot.

And the rules favor the shooter. You can get a hand up but you can't get in their air space. No hard check etc..

The 3 point shot changed the game and alot of players have become really good at it. The shot making ability in this league is incredible. Lax defense or not. Some of these guys are just insane offensive juggernauts. And the spacing is so good.

To add to this the talent has never been better in the league imo. Yes it's a softer game. But international players have made this league even better. The last 4 MVP's have been international players. We might have 5 straight with Luka. Which is kind of crazy to think about.



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[ProfessaPackMan]

January Games Discussion Thread

Lol yeah I heavily disagree with the last part.

Is there some Euro influence in the game today? Yes, but to the point where they’re responsible for the game being “better” now? Nah I can’t get with that because it implies that Americans were making it worse.

I will say that the amount of criticism that gets levied against Euro players compared to American players is also significantly different/less also but that’s more of a coverage issue.

[DamnYanks2]

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Lol yeah I heavily disagree with the last part.

Is there some Euro influence in the game today? Yes, but to the point where they’re responsible for the game being “better” now? Nah I can’t get with that because it implies that Americans were making it worse.

I will say that the amount of criticism that gets levied against Euro players compared to American players is also significantly different/less also but that’s more of a coverage issue.

We'll have to disagree. Because there has never been a Luka a Giannis or a Joker Embiid. These dudes are ridiculous and have literally taken over our sport.

International players weren't like that back then. I mean you had Dirk, Manu,Nash, Yao
But that's really the extent of it. Keepin mind I'm not saying they are the sole reason for improved scoring around the nba. But they've definitely added a whole other dimension to the game.

4 MVP's in a row man. That would of been unheard of.

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[ojandpizza]

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Some of these rules like the take foul, intentional foul, and stuff probably play a SMALL role too. It's funny because some of the same people who wanted stuff like that gone because it hurt the game will be the same ones complaining that scoring is too high as well.

[DamnYanks2]

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4 of the top scorers in the nba right now aren't from the states too lol. Sorry Pack we getting left behind bro. America gotta do better. [emoji38]

According to Jeebs and all the other mock draft specialists Wenbayama is coming fo the throne too. It's over America.

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[ProfessaPackMan]

January Games Discussion Thread

We'll have to disagree. Because there has never been a Luka a Giannis or a Joker Embiid. These dudes are ridiculous and have literally taken over our sport.

International players weren't like that back then. I mean you had Dirk, Manu,Nash, Yao
But that's really the extent of it. Keepin mind I'm not saying they are the sole reason for improved scoring around the nba. But they've definitely added a whole other dimension to the game.

4 MVP's in a row man. That would of been unheard of.

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I mean MVP is a narrative based, award voted on by the Media so I’m not going to use that as the sole barometer for Euro players making the game better, lol.

We’ve been hearing this “Euros are taking over the game” mess for the last 20 years yet you know who keeps winning the Gold at the Olympics? USA but yet Euros are taking over the game 🥴 Hell, Giannis and Dirk are the only Euros to win a ring as the main guy in the last century so where is this takeover? Lol

Shoot, there was a time when it was nothing but American players winning it yet all people complained about was how “the game is softer, bring back 90s style Basketball!” so it goes both ways.

I don’t disagree with saying they’ve brought another dimension over because it’s obvious the game has evolved.

Like I said, coverage is different now because we’ve had plenty of players dominate the game differently, only difference is folks chose to focus on what they couldn’t do instead of appreciating what they could/can do, which is 100% fact. And how players are covered/treated will 100% affect how someone looks at a player(see Giannis/Lebron arguments and how they’re viewed by folks).

[ojandpizza]

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Luka is a tough judge for me because his sole goal is to put up numbers right now. Not saying he also isn't trying to win or criticize him or anything like that. But he is playing this very Harden in Houston like game where basically there is no offense other than he is the offense. We saw what Harden's production looks like when he's with OKC, BKN, now Philly, and it's not the same as the 400 dribbles, massive time of possession, and all that. Is Luka the same, IDK. Would KD and Bron or other random Americans be putting up 35+ a night doing that, probably so.

Fair or unfair I also don't really consider Embiid "international". Technically he is, but he played his HS ball in the states, college ball in the states. He has an American developed basketball ability and skillset.

Regardless it's obvious today's game has more and better international influence than in years past. I don't think that means USA guys were holding it back or whatever Pack said, but there is just more quality now because you have more than 1 star from non-USA locations. Would be like if Hakeem, Dirk, Pau, Petrovic, Yao, etc were all in the league and in their primes at the same time. It's not like international stars is a new thing, there is just more of them now and will likely continue to be.

[ojandpizza]

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I mean MVP is a narrative based, award voted on by the Media so I’m not going to use that as the sole barometer for Euro players making the game better, lol.

We’ve been hearing this “Euros are taking over the game” mess for the last 20 years yet you know who keeps winning the Gold at the Olympics? USA but yet Euros are taking over the game 🥴 Hell, Giannis and Dirk are the only Euros to win a ring as the main guy in the last century so where is this takeover? Lol

Shoot, there was a time when it was nothing but American players winning it yet all people complained about was how “the game is softer, bring back 90s style Basketball!” so it goes both ways.

I don’t disagree with saying they’ve brought another dimension over because it’s obvious the game has evolved.

Like I said, coverage is different now because we’ve had plenty of players dominate the game differently, only difference is folks chose to focus on what they couldn’t do instead of appreciating what they could/can do, which is 100% fact. And how players are covered/treated will 100% affect how someone looks at a player(see Giannis/Lebron arguments and how they’re viewed by folks).

Not that I disagree with this take overall but in fairness winning gold isn't USA vs International or even USA vs Europe. Outcome might very well be different if all of Luka, Joker, Giannis, etc were on the same team and not just playing Giannis and Greece or Luka and Slovenia. Any individual country still has a long way to go to compete with all the US talent. But just talking international as a whole vs US that gap isn't all that large anymore.

[King_B_Mack]

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Well make sure y’all have this suck energy(pause)tonight too.

No deal. Y’all about to get this Deebo 50 piece playa. We lost 2 games we shoulda lost you know we coming for this obvious blowout we should be getting.


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