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  • MrDubya
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    • Aug 2016
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    #136
    Re: 10/24 - 11/6 Games Discussion Thread

    Man dropping F-Bombs too. I love it.
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    • ojandpizza
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      • Apr 2011
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      #137
      Re: 10/24 - 11/6 Games Discussion Thread

      Originally posted by J_Posse
      And why did Jason Kidd make the smart move of playing Lively in the second half? That mother****er is gonna be a problem.

      He definitely gives off young Tyson Chandler vibes.

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      Kyrie and Luka duo still looks a little awkward together.. which doesn’t make sense because Kidd coached LeBron and has a **** ton of successful tape to look back on from Bron and Kyrie in Cleveland.

      THJ was a couple made shots away from looking really good tonight. I guess you could say that about anybody’s makes/misses but he just looked healthy and good.

      Not a fan of that decelerated shooting foul Luka was able to draw late. I find it odd a guy can just stop and stand on his pivot for as long as he wants and wait on contact but it be considered a “shooting” foul just because he never took another step. Just one of those weird loopholes that happens to be “legal” technically but looks like BS in real time. To me if you’re intentionally stopping your shooting motion to wait on a whistle that’s a foul on the floor because at no point are you trying for continuation, you’re basically avoiding continuation.

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      • ggsimmonds
        Hall Of Fame
        • Jan 2009
        • 11235

        #138
        Re: 10/24 - 11/6 Games Discussion Thread

        Originally posted by J_Posse
        I'm mad Wemby picked up all those ticky tack fouls so early. [emoji35] [emoji35]

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        He's too handsy. I noticed that on a lot of the screens he set where he screens too much with his arms. Its just one game but it certainly shows that he needs to get more comfortable with body contact.

        Sure it may have "ruined" his debut but I'm glad they called it straight. It will probably speed up that adjustment process for him.

        As for Dallas, I just don't like how their team is built. Lively looked great, and I even think Kyrie and Luka could be a nice pairing, but I don't like Hardaway on this team.

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        • ggsimmonds
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          • Jan 2009
          • 11235

          #139
          Re: 10/24 - 11/6 Games Discussion Thread

          Originally posted by ojandpizza
          Kyrie and Luka duo still looks a little awkward together.. which doesn’t make sense because Kidd coached LeBron and has a **** ton of successful tape to look back on from Bron and Kyrie in Cleveland.

          THJ was a couple made shots away from looking really good tonight. I guess you could say that about anybody’s makes/misses but he just looked healthy and good.

          Not a fan of that decelerated shooting foul Luka was able to draw late. I find it odd a guy can just stop and stand on his pivot for as long as he wants and wait on contact but it be considered a “shooting” foul just because he never took another step. Just one of those weird loopholes that happens to be “legal” technically but looks like BS in real time. To me if you’re intentionally stopping your shooting motion to wait on a whistle that’s a foul on the floor because at no point are you trying for continuation, you’re basically avoiding continuation.
          Thats his trademark move, its nothing new.

          But he's not stopping his shooting motion, he never starts it until he feels the trail defender on his back. Its no different from when the athletic slashers hop step into the paint then pump fake before going up with it.

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          • ojandpizza
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            • Apr 2011
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            #140
            Re: 10/24 - 11/6 Games Discussion Thread

            Originally posted by ggsimmonds
            Thats his trademark move, its nothing new.

            But he's not stopping his shooting motion, he never starts it until he feels the trail defender on his back. Its no different from when the athletic slashers hop step into the paint then pump fake before going up with it.

            I understand that, I just don’t like the play in general. Feels like it’s gimmicky and taking advantage of rules in place. Not blaming Luka, I just think it’s one of those James Harden like plays that needs to be looked at.

            I don’t consider it the same as a pump fake. If Luka stopped and pump faked I wouldn’t take issue with it because the pump fake gives him a reason to stop his dribble. And he would come to an actual stop. Not some free pause that wouldn’t otherwise exist other than deliberately trying to shoot as slow as possible.

            Just feels like if you’re deliberately slowing your shooting motion but not actually wanting to plant on the foot you’re just forcing yourself to be stationary just long enough to make a defender hit you. He doesn’t “stop” his shooting motion but he deliberately slows it to stay grounded. If you’re going to force yourself to stay on the floor to get contact I believe the foul should be on the floor.. that’s just my thoughts.

            Basically if you’re allowing a player to just stop without shooting, passing, coming to a true “stop” to pivot, pump fake, etc, you’re basically telling defenders they have to just stop trying to defend the play. Because momentum forces the contact by default. You can’t avoid it. To me that’s no different that jumping backwards/sideways on a three pointer to force contact. But I understand it’s currently legal, wouldn’t be easy to enforce because you can’t really tell a player “how” to shoot, and I realize Luka does it all the time. (That’s part of my annoyance with it).

            They literally just implemented a rule to keep players doing that in the open court either last year or the year before by stopping in front of guys while dribbling, but in the half court they’ll reward it as a shooting foul. It blurs the lines of what should/shouldn’t be allowed IMO.

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            • ggsimmonds
              Hall Of Fame
              • Jan 2009
              • 11235

              #141
              Re: 10/24 - 11/6 Games Discussion Thread

              Originally posted by ojandpizza
              I understand that, I just don’t like the play in general. Feels like it’s gimmicky and taking advantage of rules in place. Not blaming Luka, I just think it’s one of those James Harden like plays that needs to be looked at.

              I don’t consider it the same as a pump fake. If Luka stopped and pump faked I wouldn’t take issue with it because the pump fake gives him a reason to stop his dribble. And he would come to an actual stop. Not some free pause that wouldn’t otherwise exist other than deliberately trying to shoot as slow as possible.

              Just feels like if you’re deliberately slowing your shooting motion but not actually wanting to plant on the foot you’re just forcing yourself to be stationary just long enough to make a defender hit you. He doesn’t “stop” his shooting motion but he deliberately slows it to stay grounded. If you’re going to force yourself to stay on the floor to get contact I believe the foul should be on the floor.. that’s just my thoughts.

              Basically if you’re allowing a player to just stop without shooting, passing, coming to a true “stop” to pivot, pump fake, etc, you’re basically telling defenders they have to just stop trying to defend the play. Because momentum forces the contact by default. You can’t avoid it. To me that’s no different that jumping backwards/sideways on a three pointer to force contact. But I understand it’s currently legal, wouldn’t be easy to enforce because you can’t really tell a player “how” to shoot, and I realize Luka does it all the time. (That’s part of my annoyance with it).

              They literally just implemented a rule to keep players doing that in the open court either last year or the year before by stopping in front of guys while dribbling, but in the half court they’ll reward it as a shooting foul. It blurs the lines of what should/shouldn’t be allowed IMO.
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              Its functionally a pump fake.

              I agree with you when guys stop or slow down and then lean into the defensive player to create the foul but Luka doesn't here. If you pause the video at 4:11 you see the defender clearly leaves his feet way too soon and Luka notices that and says "oh okay, I got you now." You saw him point to his head at the end of the play. It is avoidable, the defender can not leave his feet too early.

              Its okay to admit that you just don't like Luka lol

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              • jeebs9
                Fear is the Unknown
                • Oct 2008
                • 47565

                #142
                Re: 10/24 - 11/6 Games Discussion Thread

                Originally posted by ggsimmonds
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                Its functionally a pump fake.

                I agree with you when guys stop or slow down and then lean into the defensive player to create the foul but Luka doesn't here. If you pause the video at 4:11 you see the defender clearly leaves his feet way too soon and Luka notices that and says "oh okay, I got you now." You saw him point to his head at the end of the play. It is avoidable, the defender can not leave his feet too early.

                Its okay to admit that you just don't like Luka lol
                I think the key word here is leave his feet.
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                • illwill10
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                  • Mar 2009
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                  #143
                  Re: 10/24 - 11/6 Games Discussion Thread

                  Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
                  Just what the Sixers need lol. "Hey Clips, we'll pivot to the Bulls if things blow up there"

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                  • jeebs9
                    Fear is the Unknown
                    • Oct 2008
                    • 47565

                    #144
                    Re: 10/24 - 11/6 Games Discussion Thread

                    Andre Drummond [emoji102] Welcoming Chet to the NBA
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                    • ProfessaPackMan
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                      • Mar 2008
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                      #145
                      Re: 10/24 - 11/6 Games Discussion Thread

                      This is insane

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                      • ojandpizza
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Apr 2011
                        • 29807

                        #146
                        Re: 10/24 - 11/6 Games Discussion Thread

                        Originally posted by ggsimmonds

                        Its okay to admit that you just don't like Luka lol

                        When have I not liked Luka [emoji23] if anything everything I've said as it pertains to Luka is a compliment to his insane footwork, timing, and awareness.

                        Watching it in slow mo replay it definitely looks like Luka is going into a shot at the point of contact much more than it appeared in real time. So I'll admit maybe last nights play isn't a perfect example. But my general point is that if a player deliberately breaks his natural progression into a shot to stay on the floor I believe the foul should be on the floor. I understand he left he's feet and all that, I'm not arguing no foul should be called.
                        Last edited by ojandpizza; 10-26-2023, 10:02 AM.

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                        • illwill10
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                          • Mar 2009
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                          #147
                          Re: 10/24 - 11/6 Games Discussion Thread

                          Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
                          I have a feeling that some teams might opt to play guys fewer minutes this year, outside of Thibbs lol. With the new load management rules, I can see teams deciding to play guys fewer minutes a game in order to minimize guys having scheduled rest days. I can see more 12-13 man rotations to start the year and then playoff rotations start forming around March

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                          • jeebs9
                            Fear is the Unknown
                            • Oct 2008
                            • 47565

                            #148
                            Re: 10/24 - 11/6 Games Discussion Thread

                            Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
                            Per normal I'm on the fence. On one hand it could definitely work with this group. We have quality players at each position. The only players I think are 35+ minute locks are Claxton and Bridges. (Maybe you can throw Spencer in there too).

                            Especially early on with so many more minutes can be played later in the year. But knowing his coaching style this will probably last the first few months.

                            But I think he wants all their effort to be defensive focused. Last night we were right there. But we couldn't get one stop. I thought they did an amazing job right up until that shot [emoji23].
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                            • jeebs9
                              Fear is the Unknown
                              • Oct 2008
                              • 47565

                              #149
                              Re: 10/24 - 11/6 Games Discussion Thread

                              Originally posted by illwill10
                              I have a feeling that some teams might opt to play guys fewer minutes this year, outside of Thibbs lol. With the new load management rules, I can see teams deciding to play guys fewer minutes a game in order to minimize guys having scheduled rest days. I can see more 12-13 man rotations to start the year and then playoff rotations start forming around March
                              Haha exactly (I didn't see your post lol)
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                              • illwill10
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                                • Mar 2009
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                                #150
                                Re: 10/24 - 11/6 Games Discussion Thread

                                Originally posted by jeebs9
                                Haha exactly (I didn't see your post lol)
                                Hell, I love to see Embiid play under 32 minutes for most of the year, then ramp up for Playoffs in March. They have 4 centers on the roster, might as well use them lol.

                                But, that was a problem with the Sixers last year. The goal was to stagger and always have either Harden or Maxey on the court. But that meant they were playing 38-40 minutes a night. Then Embiid was playing the 38 minutes as well. I rather shrink the minutes if that means they'll play more games and less nightly toll on bodies

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