Marbury stat...

[Court_vision]

For a point guard / leader of a team...is this the worst stat possible in pro sports?

Quote "More bad news for Steph. Suns' success makes it three straight teams to win at least 50 games in their first full season after Steph leaves"

I mean to say, that's like leaving a company...and the new CEO takes them to record profits.

Or leaving a resteraunt where your the chef...and no one eats there...and the new chef has the place jumping and people lining up outside in the cold to eat.

I know there were factors like injuries...but not enough to cover THREE different teams ALL excelling the moment you were shown the door.

Here's Kurt Thomas after the Knicks v Nets game yesterday...read between the lines...it absolutely says it all.

`Kidd is amazing, he does it every night,'' Knicks forward Kurt Thomas said. ``He brings it and he gets everyone involved.''

[Taur3asi3]

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Thats the worst stat for ANY professional athlete to have regardless of sport or position. Stephon Marbury is with out a doubt the greatest example of the Ewing Theory.

[poster]

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Wow i didnt realize that. Good stat Monkey. Why would Phil Jackson want to go coach there?

[dieselboy]

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Well first off, lets start in Minnesota.

Marbury's last season there, he only played 18 games. So that means the T-Wolves played 32 games without him, but still only won half their games. Then the following season, they won exactly 50, but that was a different squad. Nesterovic played in 2 games the year before, but this season played in 82.

Leading scorers in 99:

KG, Joe Smith, Sam Mitchell, Bobby Jackson, Dean Garret (In order)

Leading scores in 2000:

KG, Terrell Brandon, Malik Sealy, Szczerbiak, Peeler (In order)

But, that 2000 team still had Bobby Jackson, Sam Mitchell, and Dean Garrett.

It was a much different team.

[dieselboy]

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Next up, New Jersey.

When Marbury was on the team, the top players on the team were, him, Johnny Newman, Aaron Williams, KVH, Lucious Harris, and rookie Kenyon Martin.

The following season, the top players were, Kidd, Kerry Kittles, KVH, Kenyon Martin, rookie Richard Jefferson and Todd MacCulloch.

Two much different teams.

[dieselboy]

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Last, PHX.

In Marbury's LAST full season in Phoenix, they won 44 games. Not too far off from 50.

That teams top players were, Marbury, Marion, Joe Johnson, Amare Stoudamire, Anfernee Hardaway, and Bo Outlaw.

Now, the top players are, Nash, Marion, Johnson, Q-Rich, Stoudamire, and Jim Jackson.

While those teams are a lot different, add to the fact that Q-Rich is better than either Hardaway or Outlaw, and that Joe Johnson and Amare Stoudamire were both two years younger, and have both developed into much better players than two years ago.

I don't see any of those "50 win scenerios" as Marbury's fault at all.

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Who cares about Marbury?

[fsquid]

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Thats the worst stat for ANY professional athlete to have regardless of sport or position. Stephon Marbury is with out a doubt the greatest example of the Ewing Theory.

Ewing theory?

[Taur3asi3]

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Yeah its something Bill Simmons came up with to explain why Patrick Ewing's teams usually played better when he either A) graduated B) was injured or C) was no longer on that team.

[Court_vision]

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I don't see any of those "50 win scenerios" as Marbury's fault at all.

Do you not see a trend though diesel?

Can you name any team mates who have publicly said "steph has made my game so much better?"

Any?

And yet there's a host of guys who have implied that they disliked marbury as their PG. Even the Suns guys came out before the teams met this season with a tonne of "Steph is a great scorer...but Nash gets everyone involved" quotes.

Again...I can't recall a player saying "I loved playing with Steph".

Can't agree with the PattyEwing theory above...man, Patty was a WARRIOR.

[ShaKobe]

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Very interesting stat. And he still calls himself the best point guard in the NBA. That silly Starbury.

You should send this information to ESPN.com or somewhere so that they can make a story of it. I think a lot of people would be interested in reading this stuff.

On the other side, it would be cool to see who makes the biggest difference once that player goes to a new team for a whole season. I would think that Shaq has to be up there. But this season isn't over yet. It would also probably be a bit harder since great/difference making players get moved less than everyone else.

[neovsmatrix]

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Do you not see a trend though diesel?

Can you name any team mates who have publicly said "steph has made my game so much better?"

Any?

And yet there's a host of guys who have implied that they disliked marbury as their PG. Even the Suns guys came out before the teams met this season with a tonne of "Steph is a great scorer...but Nash gets everyone involved" quotes.

Again...I can't recall a player saying "I loved playing with Steph".

Can't agree with the PattyEwing theory above...man, Patty was a WARRIOR.

Marbury doesn't make his teammates better. At least, not consistently. It's not really his game to pass first, shoot second. He's most effective when he scores and dishes when the D collapses on him. I'd say he's had a lot of bad luck in the past, enough that he probably has learned the wrong things about leading a team. He certainly has failed to make the Knicks a better squad.

I'm wondering when Isiah Thomas will run out of patience with him and start thinking about trading him.

I don't think he's the only one at fault for the Knicks though, either. The Knicks collectively are terrible right now, and there is nobody on that team that can score when it is absolutely necessary, other than maybe Marbury. The lack of a Houston does make his job much tougher.

[Court_vision]

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I'm wondering when Isiah Thomas will run out of patience with him and start thinking about trading him.

I don't think he's the only one at fault for the Knicks though, either. The Knicks collectively are terrible right now, and there is nobody on that team that can score when it is absolutely necessary, other than maybe Marbury. The lack of a Houston does make his job much tougher.

I don't think they'd trade him as his value would be very low. No poor team would take him due to his attitude (can you imagine Steph getting sent to New Orleans!)...

I'm not sure what the hell Isiah is thinking. Does he even plan anything coherently???

It's a pity as the Knicks are a great ball club...and the NBA needs them doing well.