Its lengthy but well worth the read I think!
Ok you say live is a more appropriate basketball game, and 2k3 is not a sim you are sadly mistaken. Let me began by stating some true facts at one point live was a game of choice for many; well lets just say it was the only choice and a goodone at that for the most part. As time went on more companies jumped in the sports genre to compete, but never really becoming a threat to the ea's name brand of sports.May I add while I on the topic of ea sports that I also was and ea fan until bout the year ea 98 when I feel ea begin the change for the worst.
With the worstening of ea came along sega into the spot light with its introduction of its sports games and while not surpassing ea they made a good entry and has gotten better with every introduction of their games.I believe the reason for this is that they were and are striving to out do easports which in turn allows them to do better then easports cause ea has its name for the sales and not the passion to please its one time loyal fans, which allows me to get into the main reason I replyed to this post.
Ok I have not played live extensively as most of you stated you did however, I have played it just to give the freesteyle a run because thats someting I suggested back in the days when I was playing easports games so let me add its an obviously great introduction to the game.I believe this is the only reason everyone is running to the store to get live for if freestyle was not in the game I believe we really would not be having this debate sega wins hands down! So on to the reason ea's game has no appeal atleast to this gamer is do to the fact that i see the same thing in last years version in this years version1.bump into a offensive player and no foul= steal unrealistic,2.superfast gameplay =unrealistic,3. blocks that only wind up back in the offenses possesion most of the time = unrealistic,4.constant flops of the defensive players and no offensive fouls called when this happens = unrealistic,5. way too many stylistic dunks on defenders = unrealistic,6.what the freestyle gameplay does to this years easport basketball is make it all offensive and no defense which in basketball terms = unrealistic.
Let me ask you this question how many of you livers find your self useing the buttons on defense bet alot of you because the freestyle for D was not nearly find tuned as it was for the Big O in LIve 2003 with that said live is a jam fest and a d*m goodone at that it has nba jam written all over it and while some of you may argue that the game on superstar mode give you a sim feel well your wrong this is where ea really messes up they make u play all the defense on that mode your guys don't do nothing which I thnk is just lame and I bet the majority feels this way the controls don't always respond.Yet in this mode the offensive players work for the other player which leaves and unbalance on gameplay and just reverts back to a high scoring inside jam fest.So I say your sim is missing no matter how u look at it.
Go play live and put all these things I stated to the test bet they're true defensive players flopping,offensive players getting the all famous bump and loose the ball,superfast gameplay hard to keep up whats going on rewind that replay lets see what happened,too many drives to the basket where's the D?
I am done with live for now so just let me mention its a good b-ball game just not for me and probably not for any real simmer out there or should I say basketball enthusist.Oh I forgot to mention live's graphics can't contend with NBA 2k3's but it has some nice animations on with the other part of this Debate.
NBA 2K3 is a sim with some faults and thats how where going to start this one off. OK its has faults,but most of them are new ones with the exception of a few repeats.Ok the most obvious gripe is the fast break and I do agree its back but not as bad as last years version and this ties in with the passing game which has faults also,but for the most part its better this year just takes alot of practice to get down since buying the game on the first day of release and playing it I must admit I was horrific at passing it peed me off for a while but I calm down and begin the long road of practice which = perfection and now there is no mishaps on my part there is no why did it go to that player thank goodness for icon passing(note:hide the icons in the option menu great for head to head play they don't have a heads up on when your passing), but I get the d*m what the hell just happen to my fast break when a player stops for no reason just to get the ball in open court its annoying but something I can get past(pay attention here thats a fanboy statemen as you all will note) its a minor set back its like you Livers say I can get buy without the sim feel for the use of this freestyle feature.
On majority of the other fautls such as to many misses there is the sliders something live is missing so I have no need to expound on those faults that may arrise, and yes it should have come packaged for out of the box play but it did not so they gave you sliders tweak the game and stop complaining the game speed is not an issue because you can set the game on fast setting in the options then raise the speed slider all the way to max and up your teams tempo in coaching so problem solved on that issue. The missed shot is solved with tha sliders also so another fault which is not an issue.OK now I am starting to see the anwer to that why 2K fanboys are not speaking about there games faults.
As I write this debate they disappear for the most part with the addition of 2K3 sliders something ea just for some reason forgot to include could you say cough cough marketing hit 'em with that next year sounds like ea's answer to me(marketing giants).Now you are starting to get annoyed by all the bashing of ea right well let me explain something ea has been around now for quite sometime with its line of sports game and I know I am not the only one ask or suggest they fix something to only buy the next version and its not fixed only overshadowed with some other snazzy feature and a slew of other probs.Now take a look at Sega for the most part they listens to who pays there bills and pay for their house or plain and simple who could make or break them the consumer yes Sega have their agenda,but all our babbling doesn't go unheard.That to me says alot about there company and the people working for them.Example what did Ea market this Year LIve 2003 or Freestyle 2003 while on the other hand Sega did not start its marketing plan till after its game was already on the shelf.
My final run at this debate = FUN FACTOR.I have been reading Live is more fun then 2K3 and I ask by who's standards is this assumption from not the masses I know this much and not by my standards.Whats draws people to live is its easy pick up and play style while 2K3 has a much more pick up and practice then enjoy the fun which we should welcome for a change.For goodness sake you would not want to have been playing a game for amonth only to loose to someone that has not played it at all would you where is the fun in that?This is possible when playing live however, more difficult when playing 2K3 because of the deep learning curve and thats realism right there.Will the Lakers be able to defend their tittle if they don't practice and Allen Iverson don't have a tittle because he want go to practice with his teammate go figure.So I welcome Sega's deep learning curve make me work for my fun in the end its more enjoyable that way.
Ok you say live is a more appropriate basketball game, and 2k3 is not a sim you are sadly mistaken. Let me began by stating some true facts at one point live was a game of choice for many; well lets just say it was the only choice and a goodone at that for the most part. As time went on more companies jumped in the sports genre to compete, but never really becoming a threat to the ea's name brand of sports.May I add while I on the topic of ea sports that I also was and ea fan until bout the year ea 98 when I feel ea begin the change for the worst.
With the worstening of ea came along sega into the spot light with its introduction of its sports games and while not surpassing ea they made a good entry and has gotten better with every introduction of their games.I believe the reason for this is that they were and are striving to out do easports which in turn allows them to do better then easports cause ea has its name for the sales and not the passion to please its one time loyal fans, which allows me to get into the main reason I replyed to this post.
Ok I have not played live extensively as most of you stated you did however, I have played it just to give the freesteyle a run because thats someting I suggested back in the days when I was playing easports games so let me add its an obviously great introduction to the game.I believe this is the only reason everyone is running to the store to get live for if freestyle was not in the game I believe we really would not be having this debate sega wins hands down! So on to the reason ea's game has no appeal atleast to this gamer is do to the fact that i see the same thing in last years version in this years version1.bump into a offensive player and no foul= steal unrealistic,2.superfast gameplay =unrealistic,3. blocks that only wind up back in the offenses possesion most of the time = unrealistic,4.constant flops of the defensive players and no offensive fouls called when this happens = unrealistic,5. way too many stylistic dunks on defenders = unrealistic,6.what the freestyle gameplay does to this years easport basketball is make it all offensive and no defense which in basketball terms = unrealistic.
Let me ask you this question how many of you livers find your self useing the buttons on defense bet alot of you because the freestyle for D was not nearly find tuned as it was for the Big O in LIve 2003 with that said live is a jam fest and a d*m goodone at that it has nba jam written all over it and while some of you may argue that the game on superstar mode give you a sim feel well your wrong this is where ea really messes up they make u play all the defense on that mode your guys don't do nothing which I thnk is just lame and I bet the majority feels this way the controls don't always respond.Yet in this mode the offensive players work for the other player which leaves and unbalance on gameplay and just reverts back to a high scoring inside jam fest.So I say your sim is missing no matter how u look at it.
Go play live and put all these things I stated to the test bet they're true defensive players flopping,offensive players getting the all famous bump and loose the ball,superfast gameplay hard to keep up whats going on rewind that replay lets see what happened,too many drives to the basket where's the D?
I am done with live for now so just let me mention its a good b-ball game just not for me and probably not for any real simmer out there or should I say basketball enthusist.Oh I forgot to mention live's graphics can't contend with NBA 2k3's but it has some nice animations on with the other part of this Debate.
NBA 2K3 is a sim with some faults and thats how where going to start this one off. OK its has faults,but most of them are new ones with the exception of a few repeats.Ok the most obvious gripe is the fast break and I do agree its back but not as bad as last years version and this ties in with the passing game which has faults also,but for the most part its better this year just takes alot of practice to get down since buying the game on the first day of release and playing it I must admit I was horrific at passing it peed me off for a while but I calm down and begin the long road of practice which = perfection and now there is no mishaps on my part there is no why did it go to that player thank goodness for icon passing(note:hide the icons in the option menu great for head to head play they don't have a heads up on when your passing), but I get the d*m what the hell just happen to my fast break when a player stops for no reason just to get the ball in open court its annoying but something I can get past(pay attention here thats a fanboy statemen as you all will note) its a minor set back its like you Livers say I can get buy without the sim feel for the use of this freestyle feature.
On majority of the other fautls such as to many misses there is the sliders something live is missing so I have no need to expound on those faults that may arrise, and yes it should have come packaged for out of the box play but it did not so they gave you sliders tweak the game and stop complaining the game speed is not an issue because you can set the game on fast setting in the options then raise the speed slider all the way to max and up your teams tempo in coaching so problem solved on that issue. The missed shot is solved with tha sliders also so another fault which is not an issue.OK now I am starting to see the anwer to that why 2K fanboys are not speaking about there games faults.
As I write this debate they disappear for the most part with the addition of 2K3 sliders something ea just for some reason forgot to include could you say cough cough marketing hit 'em with that next year sounds like ea's answer to me(marketing giants).Now you are starting to get annoyed by all the bashing of ea right well let me explain something ea has been around now for quite sometime with its line of sports game and I know I am not the only one ask or suggest they fix something to only buy the next version and its not fixed only overshadowed with some other snazzy feature and a slew of other probs.Now take a look at Sega for the most part they listens to who pays there bills and pay for their house or plain and simple who could make or break them the consumer yes Sega have their agenda,but all our babbling doesn't go unheard.That to me says alot about there company and the people working for them.Example what did Ea market this Year LIve 2003 or Freestyle 2003 while on the other hand Sega did not start its marketing plan till after its game was already on the shelf.
My final run at this debate = FUN FACTOR.I have been reading Live is more fun then 2K3 and I ask by who's standards is this assumption from not the masses I know this much and not by my standards.Whats draws people to live is its easy pick up and play style while 2K3 has a much more pick up and practice then enjoy the fun which we should welcome for a change.For goodness sake you would not want to have been playing a game for amonth only to loose to someone that has not played it at all would you where is the fun in that?This is possible when playing live however, more difficult when playing 2K3 because of the deep learning curve and thats realism right there.Will the Lakers be able to defend their tittle if they don't practice and Allen Iverson don't have a tittle because he want go to practice with his teammate go figure.So I welcome Sega's deep learning curve make me work for my fun in the end its more enjoyable that way.
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