Double-double, triple-double...does it really mean that much?

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  • Emjay
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    • Oct 2002
    • 546

    #16
    Re: Double-double, triple-double...does it really mean that much?

    Originally posted by Jebby
    Yeah they definitely don't count. That's like saying in soccer that someone got a hat trick when they score 2 and then an own-goal.


    Ok, good analogy. It made me realize that yeah, they don't count. While they may acknowledge it in perhaps a mocking way when it happens, it wouldn't count to your total.

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    • sammyc521
      Pro
      • Feb 2003
      • 950

      #17
      Re: Double-double, triple-double...does it really mean that much?

      The guy in that analogy would also be hung by his Johnson and pelted with tomatoes.

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      • ShaKobe
        G* L*k* Sh*w!!!
        • Sep 2002
        • 2964

        #18
        Re: Double-double, triple-double...does it really mean that much?

        Originally posted by glucklich
        OK, yeah, admittedly it means the guy has contributed in a variety of ways. But in comparison to a stat line where, say, a guy has 25 pts 12 rebs and 9 assists, a triple double means little. Is the 25/12/9 any less impressive than 10/10/10? Of course its not and in this regard its kind of bogus. Like I said, too, its the same for a 25/9 statline vs a 10/10 where a double double is concerned. And the reason I mention this is that a triple-double and a double-double is a stat that gets way too much emphasis by virtue of the fact that they track it. For example, you will hear an announcer say, "thats his 5th triple double of the year." But what about all the games where he went for 30, 12 and 9? Those too are games where he had a wellrounded statline but he gets no credit because he was one assist shy even though he was double figues +20 in pts and +2 in rebounds. It kind of makes a triple-double as a stat seem pointless.
        While it's true that a 30-12-9 line doesn't get as much as triple doubles, it's only because those are hard to track. If they get 10+ games with those numbers, people will start saying something. I mean, honestly, how would you track a line like that? It's just hard.

        And while I think some players care about triple doubles and double doubles, I'm sure most of them just want the W. I don't think Kidd goes out to get triple dips all the time, but he does, in order for his team to win.

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        • glucklich
          Banned
          • Jun 2004
          • 4272

          #19
          Re: Double-double, triple-double...does it really mean that much?

          Originally posted by sammyc521
          The guy in that analogy would also be hung by his Johnson and pelted with tomatoes.
          You have some odd fantasies. Maybe you should be a writer for Swank or Leg Action.

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          • glucklich
            Banned
            • Jun 2004
            • 4272

            #20
            Re: Double-double, triple-double...does it really mean that much?

            Originally posted by ShaKobe
            While it's true that a 30-12-9 line doesn't get as much as triple doubles, it's only because those are hard to track. If they get 10+ games with those numbers, people will start saying something. I mean, honestly, how would you track a line like that? It's just hard.
            And while I think some players care about triple doubles and double doubles, I'm sure most of them just want the W. I don't think Kidd goes out to get triple dips all the time, but he does, in order for his team to win.
            Heres a thought. Maybe instead of tracking something as bogus as a triple or double double, they should simply look at ones average in the three categories. If someone averages 21 pts, 9 rebs and 8 assts a game, isnt it safe to assume that hes going to have his share of nights when hes at or around a triple double with some nights where hes at 30/12/9. And this way, the 30/12/9 nights arent diminished or ignored.

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            • ShaKobe
              G* L*k* Sh*w!!!
              • Sep 2002
              • 2964

              #21
              Re: Double-double, triple-double...does it really mean that much?

              Originally posted by glucklich
              Heres a thought. Maybe instead of tracking something as bogus as a triple or double double, they should simply look at ones average in the three categories. If someone averages 21 pts, 9 rebs and 8 assts a game, isnt it safe to assume that hes going to have his share of nights when hes at or around a triple double with some nights where hes at 30/12/9. And this way, the 30/12/9 nights arent diminished or ignored.
              I don't think i quite understand what you mean. Those three stats are what people look at the most. If someone is averaging close to a triple double, then of course he's a great all-around player. I don't know of anyone who diminishes or ignores a 30/12/9 night. When I look at stats, I look for great all around numbers. Having, or not having, a triple double doesn't diminish great numbers, because good/great/solid numbers will stand on their own.

              What I was saying is that it's hard to place a "name" or a "tag" on something like that. Triple-double and double-double is just easy and you automatically know what it is.

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              • sammyc521
                Pro
                • Feb 2003
                • 950

                #22
                Re: Double-double, triple-double...does it really mean that much?

                That's no fantasy...that's fact. Soccer hooligans are crazy.

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                • cdubdiggity
                  MVP
                  • May 2003
                  • 1204

                  #23
                  Re: Double-double, triple-double...does it really mean that much?

                  incase nobody said this but turnovers can count fo a triple double.

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                  • tenth
                    MVP
                    • Dec 2002
                    • 1109

                    #24
                    Re: Double-double, triple-double...does it really mean that much?

                    It's been covered, and no they can't.

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                    • Jebby

                      #25
                      Re: Double-double, triple-double...does it really mean that much?

                      Originally posted by cdubdiggity
                      incase nobody said this but turnovers can count fo a triple double.
                      No.

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                      • glucklich
                        Banned
                        • Jun 2004
                        • 4272

                        #26
                        Re: Double-double, triple-double...does it really mean that much?

                        Even though this wasnt the point of the threa--but what the hell-- someone brought up the analogy of a soccer player scoring 2 goals and an own goal not counting as a hattrick and people agreed that its the same in basketball. But didnt Ricky Davis get a rebound to complete a triple double by shooting at the wrong basket? Doesnt something like this muddy the water in the discussion of whether a turnover should count?

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                        • ShaKobe
                          G* L*k* Sh*w!!!
                          • Sep 2002
                          • 2964

                          #27
                          Re: Double-double, triple-double...does it really mean that much?

                          Originally posted by glucklich
                          Even though this wasnt the point of the threa--but what the hell-- someone brought up the analogy of a soccer player scoring 2 goals and an own goal not counting as a hattrick and people agreed that its the same in basketball. But didnt Ricky Davis get a rebound to complete a triple double by shooting at the wrong basket? Doesnt something like this muddy the water in the discussion of whether a turnover should count?
                          I think the L took that rebound away. Same thing with Bobby Sura last year (or the year before). He missed a shot to get another board to get his third triple dip in a row. The L took that away from him too.

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                          • tenth
                            MVP
                            • Dec 2002
                            • 1109

                            #28
                            Re: Double-double, triple-double...does it really mean that much?

                            Yup both of them came up 1 rebound short.

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                            • cdubdiggity
                              MVP
                              • May 2003
                              • 1204

                              #29
                              Re: Double-double, triple-double...does it really mean that much?

                              Originally posted by Jebby
                              No.
                              smh @ u jus tellin me no...dawgy they said it once when AI was playin he had like 9 TOs and they said...."He almost had a triple double wit 10 TO's" altho its not OFFICIAL

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                              • Jebby

                                #30
                                Re: Double-double, triple-double...does it really mean that much?

                                Originally posted by cdubdiggity
                                smh @ u jus tellin me no...dawgy they said it once when AI was playin he had like 9 TOs and they said...."He almost had a triple double wit 10 TO's" altho its not OFFICIAL
                                For the last time, when the commentators say that they are saying it in a sarcastic manner. Turnovers are NOT offensive statistics.

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