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  • fsquid
    Banned
    • Jul 2002
    • 17635

    #1081
    Re: The 2011 New York Knicks: The Rebirth

    If Walsh doesn't come back, new guy will most certainly can D'Antoni and then it is a crap shoot on if we get anyone better.

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    • CMH
      Making you famous
      • Oct 2002
      • 26203

      #1082
      You're right. TD is better than he showed. I will consider that he looked so bad because he was asked to play a style of defense he isn't used to. He likes to play on the guard and instead was told to back away.

      It just looked so bad!

      And I agree that they shouldn't pick up Billups option. Probably better off going after a point guard on the cheap. Someone that could also backup and be comfortable doing so if somehow the Knicks pulled off a move for CP3. But I rather they dump the contracts coming off the books and entice size.

      They also need a shooter that can drive. Someone like a Chandler. Not saying an All-Star like Joe Johnson. Not someone expensive. But someone that can be a nice third option as a scorer.


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      "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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      • Jeffx
        MVP
        • Jan 2007
        • 3045

        #1083
        Re: The 2011 New York Knicks: The Rebirth

        Originally posted by CMH
        And I agree that they shouldn't pick up Billups option. Probably better off going after a point guard on the cheap. Someone that could also backup and be comfortable doing so if somehow the Knicks pulled off a move for CP3. But I rather they dump the contracts coming off the books and entice size.

        I'm listening to Joe & Evan on WFAN. Some of the free agent PGs they mentioned were Andre Miller, Rodney Stuckey and Aaron Brooks.

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        • Pared
          Legen - WAIT FOR IT
          • Feb 2003
          • 39337

          #1084
          Re: The 2011 New York Knicks: The Rebirth

          Andre Miller would be the perfect compliment to the players the Knicks have right now.

          Stuckey and Brooks aren't true points - they are scoring pg's. Would make the situation worse than it already is.
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          • CMH
            Making you famous
            • Oct 2002
            • 26203

            #1085
            Re: The 2011 New York Knicks: The Rebirth

            Always been a fan of Miller. I just wonder if he'll take a one-year possibly two-year deal and also consider being a back-up. He wasn't hip to it when he was in Portland.

            I'm not sure I see Miller as a guy willing to sacrifice his position just so the team can have a better player at his position.

            But, I guess the Knicks will also be operating under the realities of the new CBA. So, if they were to sign a Miller, they'd already know if a Chris Paul is even possible in the future.
            "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

            "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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            • fsquid
              Banned
              • Jul 2002
              • 17635

              #1086
              Re: The 2011 New York Knicks: The Rebirth

              can you decline the option and renegotiate with Billups? I think he's worth 5 million, but at that price point, he might rather go back west.

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              • bigfnjoe96
                Hall Of Fame
                • Feb 2004
                • 11410

                #1087
                Re: The 2011 New York Knicks: The Rebirth

                Originally posted by fsquid
                can you decline the option and renegotiate with Billups? I think he's worth 5 million, but at that price point, he might rather go back west.
                You can but he has a 3.7 million buyout. It seems as either we pick up his option, or let him go. I'm more willing to keep him. He definitely still has life in him. The other problem is we have holes @ SG & C. Both which might be addressable via FA

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                • fsquid
                  Banned
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 17635

                  #1088
                  Re: The 2011 New York Knicks: The Rebirth

                  I just don't think you can keep him at $14 million, not knowing what the new CBA will be or the new salary cap number (if there is a hard cap in the new CBA).

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                  • bigeastbumrush
                    My Momma's Son
                    • Feb 2003
                    • 19245

                    #1089
                    can you decline the option and renegotiate with Billups? I think he's worth 5 million, but at that price point, he might rather go back west.
                    You can but he has a 3.7 million buyout. It seems as either we pick up his option, or let him go. I'm more willing to keep him. He definitely still has life in him. The other problem is we have holes @ SG & C. Both which might be addressable via FA
                    Why would you keep him at $14M?

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                    • NYJets
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 18637

                      #1090
                      Re: The 2011 New York Knicks: The Rebirth

                      He's clearly not worth $14 million, but if CP3 is still the plan, than anyone we spend that money on would probably have to be for 1 year, and who are we going to get on a 1 year deal that's really going to help.

                      I've never really bought into getting CP3, so in theory I'd rather let Billups go and try and get a big and a mid level pg, but a. I don't think they want too and b. I haven't really looked at whats out there.
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                      • bigeastbumrush
                        My Momma's Son
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 19245

                        #1091
                        He's clearly not worth $14 million, but if CP3 is still the plan, than anyone we spend that money on would probably have to be for 1 year, and who are we going to get on a 1 year deal that's really going to help.

                        I've never really bought into getting CP3, so in theory I'd rather let Billups go and try and get a big and a mid level pg, but a. I don't think they want too and b. I haven't really looked at whats out there.
                        Knicks have to change the mentality and not keep players because they're serviceable.

                        Billups is good if he's fresh for a playoff run. He can't play an 82 game season in D'Antoni's system and then be ready to increase his level come the playoffs like Nash was able to.

                        Unfortunately..neither is Andre Miller.

                        The last few threads..we've seen Felton and Wilson Chandler brought up. I think people realize what these guys brought and how they fit in.

                        I have no idea what the answer is..but they need to (if they can) lock up the best Center they can IMO.

                        A PG will fall thru..since it's probably the deepest position in the league.

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                        • CMH
                          Making you famous
                          • Oct 2002
                          • 26203

                          #1092
                          Re: The 2011 New York Knicks: The Rebirth

                          Originally posted by bigeastbumrush
                          A PG will fall thru..since it's probably the deepest position in the league.
                          And I personally think the Knicks just need a point guard that can set up teammates and pass the rock.

                          I won't be disappointed if they ended up with Paul. Obviously you want the amazing player, but I don't think the Knicks need the amazing point to be competitive.

                          I side with you that they need to think about size. Stoudemire and Anthony are enough to score a lot of points so long as they also have the help on defense, the rebounding and a guy to get them the ball. A superstar point guard is like putting your own cinnamon on a cinnamon raisin bagel.
                          "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

                          "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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                          • bigeastbumrush
                            My Momma's Son
                            • Feb 2003
                            • 19245

                            #1093
                            A superstar point guard is like putting your own cinnamon on a cinnamon raisin bagel.
                            LOL!

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                            • NYJets
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 18637

                              #1094
                              Re: The 2011 New York Knicks: The Rebirth

                              Originally posted by CMH
                              And I personally think the Knicks just need a point guard that can set up teammates and pass the rock.

                              I won't be disappointed if they ended up with Paul. Obviously you want the amazing player, but I don't think the Knicks need the amazing point to be competitive.

                              I side with you that they need to think about size. Stoudemire and Anthony are enough to score a lot of points so long as they also have the help on defense, the rebounding and a guy to get them the ball. A superstar point guard is like putting your own cinnamon on a cinnamon raisin bagel.

                              Definitely agree with this strategy. Now it's a matter of finding the right fits. I'd feel a lot better about that if we would get the Donnie extension done.
                              Originally posted by Jay Bilas
                              The question isn't whether UConn belongs with the elites, but over the last 20 years, whether the rest of the college basketball elite belongs with UConn

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                              • Jeffx
                                MVP
                                • Jan 2007
                                • 3045

                                #1095
                                Re: The 2011 New York Knicks: The Rebirth

                                Originally posted by CMH
                                And I personally think the Knicks just need a point guard that can set up teammates and pass the rock.

                                I won't be disappointed if they ended up with Paul. Obviously you want the amazing player, but I don't think the Knicks need the amazing point to be competitive.

                                I side with you that they need to think about size. Stoudemire and Anthony are enough to score a lot of points so long as they also have the help on defense, the rebounding and a guy to get them the ball. A superstar point guard is like putting your own cinnamon on a cinnamon raisin bagel.
                                Size is a MUST. A couple of 7-footers who can take care of business down low, a servicable point guard, and better bench players. We could use someone who can come off the bench and light it up consistently.

                                ...and force Pringles to hire a real defensive coach, like Doc has with Lawrence Frank.

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