The 2012 New York Knicks: The Filler Year?

[CMH]

I love the extension but how many times do I have to read and hear how Woodson holds everyone accountable?

It took one person to say it and now even Dolan is using the word to describe Woodson. We get it.


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[djep]

Sheriff Woody takes his role seriously too. He's got Chandler and Stat working on their post games; he called out Melo on his conditioning; didn't guarantee the starting PG spot to Lin. D'Antoni was too soft on these guys. I'm liking this aspect of Woodson.


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[CMH]

Sheriff Woody takes his role seriously too. He's got Chandler and Stat working on their post games; he called out Melo on his conditioning; didn't guarantee the starting PG spot to Lin. D'Antoni was too soft on these guys. I'm liking this aspect of Woodson.


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Oh yeah I love it. I love what he brings and that's why I've wanted him to be the next head coach.

He's really the first guy since JVG that truly wanted the job and knows what it takes to handle the job. We've had too many star name coaches for the publicity and the last coach really only came here for the money over Chicago.

I'm glad there's a real sheriff. A guy these players respect and will have to respect. And I'm glad he's the kind of guy that will also jump up and down when they win a big game and give his guys high fives.

Right now I see Woodson sitting on a big comfortable chair staring into a blank wall and thinking: "I have my dream job. This is my chance to prove my ability."

That's the guy I want leading my favorite team.


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[TajDeni]

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According to Chris BrouSsard, Amare and Tyson are working out with Hakeem this summer.

haha everybody wants to work with Hakeem now since you know who did it..

seriously tho, thats great in all but having the footwork necessary to truly be relevent in the post requires yrs of dedication.

the league saw Kobe do it but ppl 4 get that pound 4 pound Kobe was/is the best post player and had/has the best footwork in the league already when he went to see The Dream. He went 4 his Doctorate, not his high school degree.

Kobe spent 1 day maybe 4-5hrs with Hakeem, Lebron spent 2wks, and as the season progressed we saw him less and less in the post, especially in crisis situations

just saying that i think its great that Amare is finally going to work on his post game (Tyson - lost cause) (and its going to tie in with my next post) but just dont expect to see it to much in crisis situations because it takes yrs to develope proper footwork

this is not why i came to this thread, i just thought it was funny another players going to see Hakeem, altho Amare needs it and it should do him some good. my real post is next.

[TajDeni]

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Making the Knicks Championship Contenders in 1 Offseason
What i would do

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* 1st let me say that i do think that the Knicks can win a championship with Carmelo as their best player. !st thing that needs to be done, is the Knicks need to recognise Melos strengths and weakness and build a team around that.

* Since the most likely scenario is that the Knicks cant trade Amare, he and Carmelo have to learn to play together. and i think they can make it work

* There's more that 1 way to skin a cat and 1million ways to die, meaning the Knicks dont hav to build a team the way everybody else does or how the media says they should. If you recognise your teams talents and the players they are most likely stuck with then the movie will write its self, all the Knicks have to do after that is bring in the right actors and watch the show.

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1st move: Moving Amare to the bench ala making him The 6th Man

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- this is the hardest move that needs to be made, but the most important move that needs to be made. Make it abundantly clear to him that he'll still get his 30+ mins and that he'll definately finish games on the court. Tell him to not think of it as a demotion and your doing it actually to feature him in the offense more.

But at the end of the day its Amare fault that this move needs to be made. Why you ask? well because he's spent how many yrs in the league now and he has absolutely no real post game of any kind ( speed, power, finesse).
he and Melo take up the same space on the court and Melo better at using up that space.

- Look if your going to be a predominant offensive megastar player then you better have a complete offensive game with no holes in it. Melo meets this criteria, Amare doesnt.

Next Move: Draft
A younger Jared Jefferies type player.

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- a defensive minded player who can potenially guard all 3 front court players but atleast PF/C. I use Jared as an example to show that its not impossible to find this type of player because in fact the Knicks already have him, cept they need a younger version

A fast break type point guard ala Kendal Marshall (UNC)

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- Based on the current roster, I wanna change the pace and run run run with the second unit and then run the offense thru Amare if forced into half-court offense

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Starting 5: Defense, Defense, Defense: Quick athletic defenders surrounding 2 scorers

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PG: J. Lin @ 34min/g
SG: I. Shumpart @ 28min/g
SF: C. Anthony @ 34min/g
PF: J. Jefferies (until drafted player is ready) @ 22min/g
C: Tyson Chandler @ 28min/g

Bench: Run, Run, Run

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A. Stoudamire (6th man) - PF/C @ 32min/g
J.R. Smith - SG/SF @ 20min/g
S. Novak - PF/SF @ 14min/g
Drafted PG ala Kendal Marshall @ 16min/g
Drafted PF/C ala J. Jefferies 14min/G

Benchwarmers:

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T. Douglas
extra Big
extra wing

** i personally would either trade or let L. Fields walk (and B.Davis) , i think he'll see quite a few offers so i think he'll cost too much to bring back. i guess you could let J.R Smith walk but I'd let Landry walk personally and use his money elsewhere on the team or save it 4 later

To me this team can be serious contenders next yr and its construction is 100% doable

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[CMH]

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Baron Davis is gone. He was only on for one year. It's possible his career is over. He isn't expected back on court all of next year and chances that a team gives a broken old NBA body a chance after a year off are probably slim.

I am beginning to side with those that think they should let Landry walk. I like what Fields can do but he disappears too often to be an important piece. It's nearly inexcusable to spend more than the rookie scale on a player that can't be one of the first three men off the bench. His qualities and inconsistency can be found in a rookie. That's how I'm feeling.

Amar'e to the bench is going to sound nice in theory but it will never happen.


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[TajDeni]

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Moving Amare to the bench is all about how you sell it to him. If you sell it right he'll go 4 it.

tell him you want to feature him and run the offense thru him more and this can be accomplished thruu stagards mins, plus he'll close games

[Vast]

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Moving Amare to the bench is all about how you sell it to him. If you sell it right he'll go 4 it.

tell him you want to feature him and run the offense thru him more and this can be accomplished thruu stagards mins, plus he'll close games

I like your post TajDeni, and agree with many of your points.

I just want to know why Tyson can't get a baby hook shot? If he could post up down low bang into the paint and score on something more than a dunk, it would open up our offensive options.

I'm expecting Amare to play better defense next year, his defensive awareness is terrible because he doesn't know where to be. Hopefully Woody can help him.

[Hassan Darkside]

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I don't expect Amare to go for coming off the bench at all. I don't think he needs to as long as the rotations are done right. For instance, you could start Amare and Melo, send Amare to the bench with say 4 mins to go in the 1st quarter. Start Amare in the second quarter with Melo resting for 5 minutes.

I think a lot of Amar'e's problems came with lack of penetration. He was at his best when Shump was getting into the lane early on and when Lin was getting into the lane.

As far as the draft goes, we have 48th pick. Personally, I'm looking at Scott Machado, PG out of Iona. Lead the NCAA in assists, has good speed, is a pretty good passer. His stats are a little inflated because Iona plays a very fast pace, but we need to get out and run. If we can't get him I'd take a look at an athletic wing or big. Jae Crowder maybe, undersized (played a lot of 4 at Marquette but is only 6'6), but rebounds at a very high rate, can knock down open shots, plays with a lot of energy. Also like Drew Gordon (pretty big athlete, good rebounder) or Kyle O'Quinn (7'5" wingspan, I'm guessing he's going to have around a 35" vertical. Great passion and great shotblocker).

In Free Agency, I don't know what happens with Lin. I expect teams to throw a ton of money at him. I know his contract will have to be around the MLE to start, but that won't stop him from having a heavy backloaded contract. I'd also like to target Ish Smith. Another speedy guard that can penetrate, run the pick and roll, and pass.

We'll also probably need to find another guard. Not sure what JR is doing. I last heard his father was pushing him to stay in NY but I can imagine a team offering him a decent amount of money. Shump's going to be out a while and I don't want to be stuck with another year of Fields playing SG.

[ehh]

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This is a few days old but worth a read. Obviously it's no secret that Jalen does not like Pringles.

There is a lot of playoff talk in this NBA Today podcast. Predictions about who will win Saturday's Game 7 and both conference finals. There is talk of hard fouls, great coaching, elite defenders, free t-shirts and LeBron James. Luc Richard volunteers to play one-on-one during All-Star Weekend, if they'd have that event. And more.

Then there's more insight than some Suns fans might want into 2007, which is the year Steve Nash and the Phoenix Suns thought they would win a title, but lost to the Spurs in a horribly controversial suspension-riddled second-round series. The Suns, as we knew them, would never be the same again.

Jalen Rose was on that Suns team, which he brought up after I asked him about Rick Carlisle, whom Rose once played for:

He made sure we ran hard at shootaround. He made sure we broke a sweat. He made sure we're prepared for the other team's sets. We knew if we were doubling the post. We knew how we were playing pick and roll. Are we hedging on this player, going under on that one. Are we double-teaming? How are we going to play those down screens certain players are coming off ...

We knew everything.

When you've played for a coach like that, it must be hard to play for a coach who doesn't have those same qualities.

I played for the Phoenix Suns. 2007. My last season. As were playing against the San Antonio Spurs. And I remember us coming to our first practice before Game 1. And we brought it in. And we were excited about our playoffs getting started. And Coach D'Antoni put in some film. It was Steve behind the back. Amare slam dunk. Shawn Marion with the block. Raja Bell with the charge. It was a highlight film of our team. They have showed me making a shot on there, and I was barely even playing.

So after that he as like all right, we're going to run and down, go through our set plays and whatnot, and we're going to get out of here.

And I looked at Kurt Thomas. I hit him with an elbow. I'm like hold on. I gotta say something.

So I did my Arnold Horshack from "Welcome Back, Kotter."

I'm like "ooh, ooh, ooh, hey coach. I gotta ask a question. Are we going to talk about how we're going to defend Tim Duncan on the post? Are we going to talk about Manu Ginobili in pick and roll? Keeping Tony Parker out of the paint?"

He looked at me in front of the entire team and coaching staff and said: "We're not worried about what they do. If we play to the best of our abilities, and do what we're supposed to do, there is no way they can beat us. We don't mind if Tim goes off. If Tim goes off, that means everybody else is quiet."

So, people gave us a pass. And we were a great team. And Robert Horry did knock my guy Steve Nash into the scoreboard. And Amare Stoudemire and Boris Diaw got up off the bench and I should have been paying attention and being a vet, and grabbed Amare -- maybe I'd have a ring to this day.

They walked out on the floor, they get suspended late in the series, and we did lose that game.

But we really lost the series in Game 1. When the guy that couldn't beat us by himself -- Tim Duncan -- he only had 40 and 20 in Game 1. [Ed. note: Actually 33 and 16.]

So that's really when we lost the series.

You're saying that if Rick Carlisle coached that team ...

Breeze through. I have a 'chip. I would have a 'chip.

That's gotta be a bad feeling.

It is what it is.

[bigeastbumrush]

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I don't expect Amare to go for coming off the bench at all. I don't think he needs to as long as the rotations are done right. For instance, you could start Amare and Melo, send Amare to the bench with say 4 mins to go in the 1st quarter. Start Amare in the second quarter with Melo resting for 5 minutes.

I think a lot of Amar'e's problems came with lack of penetration. He was at his best when Shump was getting into the lane early on and when Lin was getting into the lane.

As far as the draft goes, we have 48th pick. Personally, I'm looking at Scott Machado, PG out of Iona. Lead the NCAA in assists, has good speed, is a pretty good passer. His stats are a little inflated because Iona plays a very fast pace, but we need to get out and run. If we can't get him I'd take a look at an athletic wing or big. Jae Crowder maybe, undersized (played a lot of 4 at Marquette but is only 6'6), but rebounds at a very high rate, can knock down open shots, plays with a lot of energy. Also like Drew Gordon (pretty big athlete, good rebounder) or Kyle O'Quinn (7'5" wingspan, I'm guessing he's going to have around a 35" vertical. Great passion and great shotblocker).

In Free Agency, I don't know what happens with Lin. I expect teams to throw a ton of money at him. I know his contract will have to be around the MLE to start, but that won't stop him from having a heavy backloaded contract. I'd also like to target Ish Smith. Another speedy guard that can penetrate, run the pick and roll, and pass.

We'll also probably need to find another guard. Not sure what JR is doing. I last heard his father was pushing him to stay in NY but I can imagine a team offering him a decent amount of money. Shump's going to be out a while and I don't want to be stuck with another year of Fields playing SG.

It's Scott Machado or bust for me in the draft. And although most mock drafts have Machado available in the 2nd round when the Knicks pick...I think he may wind up being a late 1st rounder or early, early 2nd rounder. I think he'll kill it at the combine and separate himself from the fringe PGs (pretenders).

A pass-first PG is the answer.

If/when Machado is gone...I can only hope for a defensive-minded PF in the mold of Kenneth Faried.

But I don't care if they have to buy another team's pick...I just want Machado in a Knicks uni.

Free Agency: Let Landry walk. Let JR Smith walk if he wants to (he won't anyway).

Sign Raymond Felton.
Sign a SG. Shumpert won't be able to play until January or so. They need a starting SG. I'm thinking they'll look for one in the draft instead of PG.

[CMH]

Is the draft taking place prior to the ruling on Lin's (and Novak's) Bird Rights status?


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[Hassan Darkside]

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It's Scott Machado or bust for me in the draft. And although most mock drafts have Machado available in the 2nd round when the Knicks pick...I think he may wind up being a late 1st rounder or early, early 2nd rounder. I think he'll kill it at the combine and separate himself from the fringe PGs (pretenders).

A pass-first PG is the answer.

If/when Machado is gone...I can only hope for a defensive-minded PF in the mold of Kenneth Faried.

But I don't care if they have to buy another team's pick...I just want Machado in a Knicks uni.

Free Agency: Let Landry walk. Let JR Smith walk if he wants to (he won't anyway).

Sign Raymond Felton.
Sign a SG. Shumpert won't be able to play until January or so. They need a starting SG. I'm thinking they'll look for one in the draft instead of PG.

I'd rather sign and trade Landry if at all possible. JR Smith at 2.5 mil isn't bad and he at least provides energy off the bench. He's an erratic offensive player (and had his worst shooting year) but I was impressed by his defense and passing ability. Woody needs to take that green light away and give him more of a yellow light though.

I don't want Ray Felton back. I think he's toast. He really struggled during the last couple months with us and then this past season his legs looked completely shot. If he signs for the minimum then sure. But otherwise I don't want to invest in him. I guess he'd be alright playing backup minutes.

[bigeastbumrush]

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Is the draft taking place prior to the ruling on Lin's (and Novak's) Bird Rights status?


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Draft is June 28th.

The ruling on Lin & Novak's Bird Rights is on June 13.

I'd rather sign and trade Landry if at all possible. JR Smith at 2.5 mil isn't bad and he at least provides energy off the bench. He's an erratic offensive player (and had his worst shooting year) but I was impressed by his defense and passing ability. Woody needs to take that green light away and give him more of a yellow light though.

I don't want Ray Felton back. I think he's toast. He really struggled during the last couple months with us and then this past season his legs looked completely shot. If he signs for the minimum then sure. But otherwise I don't want to invest in him. I guess he'd be alright playing backup minutes.

I don't want Felton as a starter. Just someone legit at PG to push Lin. I honestly think Machado would eat Lin up but I don't think we'll get him and they'll draft another position.

They have to bring in a FA PG and you already know Woodson doesn't trust Lin yet. Someone like Dragic is too expensive.

Felton had a bad year last year because he came to camp out of shape and Portland had nothing to play for. I don't remember him struggling with us. He was an All-Star candidate and just started to click with Amare before he was traded.

My comments about letting JR walk was because it's his decision to exercise his option. If he doesn't...I'm not mad one bit. But I think he'll pick it up.

EDIT: Isn't Landry a RFA? I didn't not know you could do S&Ts. I say let him get his highest offer on the open market and don't match. They'd only bring him back because Shumpert is out. Landry is worthless here. He's had enough time to get a consistent game. Let him flourish in another system and city.

[Hassan Darkside]

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Felton has always struggled to stay in shape I feel like. And look at his shooting numbers over the last month or two before we traded him, his percentages were way down. Probably because D'Antoni had run him into the ground like he tends to do with his PGs.

And yea, Landry is a RFA, forgot about that. And teams probably won't do many S&Ts under the new CBA. Someone will probably offer him the MLE.

Jameer Nelson said he was opting out a while ago, if he's on the market I wouldn't mind adding him. Jason Kidd at the vet min would be a good add too.