The 2012 New York Knicks: The Filler Year?

[bigeastbumrush]

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What does Melo have to do with this.

And since when do teams not talk about their own FAs? Did Billy King and Avery Johnson not say that they wanted Deron back every chance they got?

Clearly they didn't want anything to do with Fields so they said nothing publically about him. They wanted Lin so they let it be known. There's nothing wrong with that. Yes it was probably stupid on Woodson's part but it was a vote of confidence to a kid who would've been coming off the bench if they landed Nash.

Why would Lin take less than he can to stay with the team when there's another that's willing to give him more money for it?

He wouldn't be taking less. Both teams would be paying him the same amount. He would just cost the Knicks more because of the luxury tax.

[NYJetsfan]

Sorry if this has been asked already and I admittedly don't know much about the CBA....can we do a sign and trade with Lin so we at least get something in return?

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[DieHardYankee26]

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What does Melo have to do with this.

And since when do teams not talk about their own FAs? Did Billy King and Avery Johnson not say that they wanted Deron back every chance they got?

Clearly they didn't want anything to do with Fields so they said nothing publically about him. They wanted Lin so they let it be known. There's nothing wrong with that. Yes it was probably stupid on Woodson's part but it was a vote of confidence to a kid who would've been coming off the bench if they landed Nash.



He wouldn't be taking less. Both teams would be paying him the same amount. He would just cost the Knicks more because of the luxury tax.

I only brought up Melo because he called the contract "ridiculous", meanwhile the franchise gave up everything for him, gave him a max deal, and have nothing to show for it so far. I love Melo, but he shouldn't have said anything, especially as this guy could be his teammate. Lin is not the only one contributing to the luxury tax, and it's not his fault damn near everyone on the team is overpaid.

Deron was unrestricted and they knew they could offer him the most money. The decision wasn't in their hands, it was in his. This is the Knicks decision. If they really want Lin, they can have him. And if they were blowing smoke the whole time, it will show because it's their decision.

I understand the vote of confidence, and I understand Houston upping the contract for a guy they want to really test if the Knicks mean what they say.

And I meant he would be taking less with the original deal or whatever the Knicks could have offered him.

And to NYJFan, no we can't. From what I understand we can't do a sign and trade because he's signed an offer sheet.

[DieHardYankee26]

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I think we're going to have to agree to disagree on Lin and I don't want to beat a dead horse so I'll leave it at this:

Ian O'Connor:

Four hours spent on Lin on ESPN 98.7FM boiled down to this: Can't lose 23-year-old asset like this for nothing. Just can't

He's 23. He makes 5 million the first 2 years. If he's good, we stick with him. If he's terrible, you trade him as an expiring before year 3. I am of the opinion that he gives us the best chance to succeed. I can see why people wouldn't be of that opinion due to a small sample size, but I trust it. I trust Lin's sample size, I trust Woody's sample size. It just doesn't make sense to me to let him go. Felton and Kidd is definitely an improvement over Douglas, but a guard rotation before Shump comes back of Lin, Felton, Kidd, JR is something I really like the sound of. We will see tomorrow night I guess.

[DieHardYankee26]

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In other news, for Raymond Felton and Kurt Thomas, we gave up both Greeks, a 2016 2nd rounder, and Jeffries.

Felton's contract is 3 years, 10.5 million.

[bigeastbumrush]

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Saw this:

Jeremy Lin under D'Antoni (19 games): 20.4 PTS, 45% FG, 8.5 AST, 4.8 TOs ... under Woodson (7 games): 13.3 PTS, 43% FG, 5.4 AST, 3.7 TOs

If Felton can give the Knicks slightly better than those^ Woodson numbers for $3M/yr...then why not go with the cheaper option. I think Felton is more than capable of doing so.

And that's not even taking into account what Felton will provide on the defensive end.

@DieHard...you're not beating a dead horse. I actually appreciate the dialogue. Just debating.

[ehh]

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No doubt that the system had a big impact on Lin. Combined that with the fact that by the time Woody took over the opposition had started taking Lin seriously.

The Heat game, even though Pringles was still at the helm, was pretty ridiculous. Norris Cole and Chalmers' pressure getting to you? Damn.

[DieHardYankee26]

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Saw this:



If Felton can give the Knicks slightly better than those^ Woodson numbers for $3M/yr...then why not go with the cheaper option. I think Felton is more than capable of doing so.

And that's not even taking into account what Felton will provide on the defensive end.

@DieHard...you're not beating a dead horse. I actually appreciate the dialogue. Just debating.

It's one of the reason I like OS. That people can actually have a conversation that doesn't divulge into name calling and resulting in someone being banned . But yeah, I think after a while my Lin hysteria will wear off. I definitely can see that I am remembering him as better than he actually is. Since my last post, I went back and watched bits and pieces of games I had saved on my laptop, and while some of it is great, some of it is very rough. Like the Heat game, he could barely get the ball past half court. And I can definitely see why people would want Raymond Felton over Lin right now.

If we're going to win now we don't have time for potential, and we need consistency. And consistently getting 4 turnovers a game from our 3rd option on offense just isn't going to cut it. I do think though that Heat game was an outlier. I mean, didn't they come out before the game and specifically say he's not getting 10 points or something like that? I remember some sort of trash talk.

Either way, once I wake up Wednesday morning, I'll be ready to go to war, whether Felton or Lin is the starter. If Felton comes in motivated and doesn't hit us with the Shawn Kemp, he can be what we need, getting the ball to Melo as well as working with STAT in the pick and roll. If Lin gets matched, I'll hope he can get STAT more involved, but that's a hope.

On the lineup, what do you guys think it will look like if Lin is/isn't matched?

I figure if Lin is matched he'll start with Melo, STAT, and Tyson but I'm not sure about the 2. I've been reading a lot on RGM that he would start with Felton in the backcourt at the 2, and end with Kidd at the 2. But I'm not sure how well Felton at the 2 would work. Would we just have to start JR in that situation, barring an unexpected signing? If he isn't, I guess we would definitely have to start JR.

[bigeastbumrush]

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I hope they have enough money left (whether they match Lin or not) to sign another SG because I simply do not trust JR as a starter. I think he can be a good sixth man, John Starks-type sparkplug.

My desire would be to get Ronnie Brewer but after having his $4M team option not picked up by CHI...I don't see him taking a veteran minimum contract.

If Mikael Pietrus is out there...I say try to convince him to take it. He made $1.2M last year.

[Vast]

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Saw this:



If Felton can give the Knicks slightly better than those^ Woodson numbers for $3M/yr...then why not go with the cheaper option. I think Felton is more than capable of doing so.

And that's not even taking into account what Felton will provide on the defensive end.

@DieHard...you're not beating a dead horse. I actually appreciate the dialogue. Just debating.

Dont forget that half of those games under Woodson, the Knicks were blowing teams out and Lin was not playing nearly as many minutes. Nor did he have to. And also with Stat and Melo finally back he didn't have to score as many points and carry the team like he did under D'antoni.

[bigeastbumrush]

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Dont forget that half of those games under Woodson, the Knicks were blowing teams out and Lin was not playing nearly as many minutes. Nor did he have to. And also with Stat and Melo finally back he didn't have to score as many points and carry the team like he did under D'antoni.

So why was his FG% so low?

[djep]

Part of his decline might have just as much to do with the heavy minutes and the bum knee. For a guy who didn't play much last year and almost not at all this past year he was playing some major minutes. Remember, D'Antoni was going to "ride him like Secretariat".

I really hope they don't go after Grant Hill. This isn't the Senior Tour.

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[Vast]

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So why was his FG% so low?

My guess is he started taking more 3pt shots and defenses started clamping down on him. The knee could have had something to do with it as well.

[Vast]

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Damn man. I really hope they're making the right decision here. The team will be better with him on the roster.

[bigeastbumrush]

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Damn man. I really hope they're making the right decision here. The team will be better with him on the roster.

Why?

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