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  • DonkeyJote
    All Star
    • Jul 2003
    • 9194

    #151
    Re: The 2016 New York Knicks: Now that we're done tanking...

    I thought the 27 wins predictions I saw before the season was way too low. That said, I absolutely didn't expect an 8-6 start.

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    • Jeffx
      MVP
      • Jan 2007
      • 3045

      #152
      Re: The 2016 New York Knicks: Now that we're done tanking...

      Originally posted by NYJets
      24-14-7

      I mean..

      Kristaps "Don't Call Me Shawn Bradley" Porzingis!

      I apologize Phil.

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      • bigeastbumrush
        My Momma's Son
        • Feb 2003
        • 19245

        #153
        Re: The 2016 New York Knicks: Now that we're done tanking...

        Not trying to start anything.

        But I don't get all Knicks games. Why doesn't Early get on the floor? And why does it appear like Thomas gets all of Derrick Williams' minutes?

        I thought the team had nice continuity early on when O'Quinn was playing big minutes when Seraphin was hurt. Now I'm seeing Thomas and Amundson logging critical minutes.

        What gives?

        Thomas and Amundson are veteran minimum guys. Early was drafted. Williams and O'Quinn have multi-year contracts.

        I honestly don't get it.

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        • gmac0322
          MVP
          • Aug 2009
          • 1650

          #154
          Re: The 2016 New York Knicks: Now that we're done tanking...

          Originally posted by bigeastbumrush
          Not trying to start anything.

          But I don't get all Knicks games. Why doesn't Early get on the floor? And why does it appear like Thomas gets all of Derrick Williams' minutes?

          I thought the team had nice continuity early on when O'Quinn was playing big minutes when Seraphin was hurt. Now I'm seeing Thomas and Amundson logging critical minutes.

          What gives?

          Thomas and Amundson are veteran minimum guys. Early was drafted. Williams and O'Quinn have multi-year contracts.

          I honestly don't get it.
          I am with you completely

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          • DonkeyJote
            All Star
            • Jul 2003
            • 9194

            #155
            Re: The 2016 New York Knicks: Now that we're done tanking...

            I'm hoping the Quinn thing is temporary. Maybe there is something I don't see going on. He's averaging 14/11 per 36, Amundson is 9/7.

            Early, when he's gotten the chance, hasn't really proven to be all that great, to me. I get why Williams is losing time, he's only shooting 36% from the floor.

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            • ehh
              Hall Of Fame
              • Mar 2003
              • 28962

              #156
              Re: The 2016 New York Knicks: Now that we're done tanking...

              Fisher completely destroyed KOQ's confidence that first game Adumdson came back. That exact moment when he took KOQ out of the game after he had a nice stretch (and hadn't been on the floor that long) and KOQ power-walked to the bench in disgust. He's been lifeless ever since in the limited minutes he's gotten. He does need to toughen up and bounce back and I'm sure he will eventually. But Fisher has GOT to stop letting the opposition always dictate the matchup game.

              Lance Thomas, at this point, is a superior NBA player to Early in every facet of the game IMO. Derrick Williams only seems to play in small-ball situations and games where we're playing up tempo. To be honest, I think Grant's struggles have a lot to do with Williams' diminishing minutes.
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              • Vast
                MVP
                • Sep 2003
                • 4015

                #157
                Re: The 2016 New York Knicks: Now that we're done tanking...

                Originally posted by ehh
                Fisher completely destroyed KOQ's confidence that first game Adumdson came back. That exact moment when he took KOQ out of the game after he had a nice stretch (and hadn't been on the floor that long) and KOQ power-walked to the bench in disgust. He's been lifeless ever since in the limited minutes he's gotten. He does need to toughen up and bounce back and I'm sure he will eventually. But Fisher has GOT to stop letting the opposition always dictate the matchup game.

                Lance Thomas, at this point, is a superior NBA player to Early in every facet of the game IMO. Derrick Williams only seems to play in small-ball situations and games where we're playing up tempo. To be honest, I think Grant's struggles have a lot to do with Williams' diminishing minutes.
                Agreed about Fisher destroying KOQ's confidence. He played against Miami and obviously did not look good. Lou out played him that game, and I think thats how it should be. Let their play dictate the playing time, it should be dynamic from game to game based on performance. BUT O'Quinn should be first off that bench before Amundson. That 2nd unit was killer before and now Fisher ****ed that up somehow.

                Lance Thomas is having a good year so far, but he is not better than early in the open floor. Early has impressed me with his improved finishing ability and he's got a real nice euro step that he seems to have mastered.
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                • JoFri
                  Pro
                  • Mar 2013
                  • 1486

                  #158
                  Re: The 2016 New York Knicks: Now that we're done tanking...

                  Originally posted by Vast
                  Agreed about Fisher destroying KOQ's confidence. He played against Miami and obviously did not look good. Lou out played him that game, and I think thats how it should be. Let their play dictate the playing time, it should be dynamic from game to game based on performance. BUT O'Quinn should be first off that bench before Amundson. That 2nd unit was killer before and now Fisher ****ed that up somehow.



                  Lance Thomas is having a good year so far, but he is not better than early in the open floor. Early has impressed me with his improved finishing ability and he's got a real nice euro step that he seems to have mastered.

                  i like early's defense commitment as i saw him chasing down blocks in the preseason games. it will not be long before he hit the court again.

                  i think fisher needs to be patience with the players and rotation. the 2nd unit will also need to familiarise with whom they play with together on a regular basis. sometimes he plays lou, then o'quin, then seraphin, then lance. its difficult for their guys to adjust.

                  that was one of those defects i saw last year in rotation. it made the players hard to jel when he keeps changing the rotation.

                  i am impressed with lance. he is quicker than kp6 on pnr defense. against the thunder, kp6 twice in a roll hedge on rw and left ibaka wide open. fisher subbed him with lance and he did a soft hedge and rotate back to ibaka immediately, negating the pick and pop effect in the horns set.


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                  • Vast
                    MVP
                    • Sep 2003
                    • 4015

                    #159
                    Re: The 2016 New York Knicks: Now that we're done tanking...

                    Yeah Lance is a good defender, and when he's hitting his shots it's hard to argue against him getting playing time.

                    Early has a chance to be good if he gets some playing time. His outside shot has been awful, but he's improved his defense and he's already miles better than Shumpert when it comes to finishing in the lane.
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                    • bigeastbumrush
                      My Momma's Son
                      • Feb 2003
                      • 19245

                      #160
                      Re: The 2016 New York Knicks: Now that we're done tanking...

                      Originally posted by ehh
                      Fisher completely destroyed KOQ's confidence that first game Adumdson came back. That exact moment when he took KOQ out of the game after he had a nice stretch (and hadn't been on the floor that long) and KOQ power-walked to the bench in disgust. He's been lifeless ever since in the limited minutes he's gotten. He does need to toughen up and bounce back and I'm sure he will eventually. But Fisher has GOT to stop letting the opposition always dictate the matchup game.

                      Lance Thomas, at this point, is a superior NBA player to Early in every facet of the game IMO. Derrick Williams only seems to play in small-ball situations and games where we're playing up tempo. To be honest, I think Grant's struggles have a lot to do with Williams' diminishing minutes.
                      Isn't Thomas playing more PF than SF? Not sure, just asking.

                      Early is being treated like he's a rookie. It's not right IMO. If Lance is busting his *** in practice that should in theory make Early a better in-game player.

                      I honestly thought that's the reason why they brought back Lance and Amundson...for practice.

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                      • CMH
                        Making you famous
                        • Oct 2002
                        • 26203

                        #161
                        Re: The 2016 New York Knicks: Now that we're done tanking...

                        I think the problem is we think Fisher has a rotation plan. I don't think he does.

                        I think he doesn't stagger rotations because he hasn't thought to do it. I think he has random substitutions because it's only at the moment of the substitution that he's thinking he needs to make one. He doesn't plan ahead.

                        I like Fisher so I'm not trying to find his problem but I think Knicks fans can agree that this is his problem. And I'm not even that upset about it because I hated Woodson's rotations too. Woodson, let's remember, would make substitutions based on the clock. The game situation (unless it was in the playoffs and he had every opportunity to screw things up) never mattered.

                        I much prefer Fisher's off the hip kind of rotation. I just wish there was some more forward thinking behind it.
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                        • ehh
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Mar 2003
                          • 28962

                          #162
                          Re: The 2016 New York Knicks: Now that we're done tanking...

                          Originally posted by bigeastbumrush
                          Isn't Thomas playing more PF than SF? Not sure, just asking.
                          At this point I'd consider him a 3&D SF and smallball PF. He typically guards bigger opposing SFs such as LeBron. I don't recall ever seeing him on the court when the opposite has a stretch 4 out there.

                          Fisher is pretty consistent with his matchups based on what the opposition does.
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                          • Hassan Darkside
                            We Here
                            • Sep 2003
                            • 7561

                            #163
                            Re: The 2016 New York Knicks: Now that we're done tanking...

                            Lance seems to be playing more SF than PF. And they have him guarding 2s which I'm still uneasy about, though he's held his own so far. He's just not that quick on his feet or that athletic.

                            To me, our most glaring issue is our lack of depth at the SG position. I don't understand why Early can't even get minutes over Vujacic. He only needs to come in, play D, run the floor, and shoot open jumpers. We still don't really know what we have with him yet and I just don't trust those YMCA cats that are logging substantial minutes at the 2 and 3 right now.
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                            • NYJets
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 18637

                              #164
                              Re: The 2016 New York Knicks: Now that we're done tanking...

                              I'd like to see Early play, just don't think there's room for him at this point, he'll have to wait his turn. Then again, I don't think there's room for Sasha or Lou to play consistent minutes either.

                              Glad the schedule is starting to lighten up going into December. Still can't believe we're over .500 at this point.
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                              • JoFri
                                Pro
                                • Mar 2013
                                • 1486

                                #165
                                Re: The 2016 New York Knicks: Now that we're done tanking...

                                Originally posted by CMH
                                I think the problem is we think Fisher has a rotation plan. I don't think he does.

                                I think he doesn't stagger rotations because he hasn't thought to do it. I think he has random substitutions because it's only at the moment of the substitution that he's thinking he needs to make one. He doesn't plan ahead.

                                I like Fisher so I'm not trying to find his problem but I think Knicks fans can agree that this is his problem. And I'm not even that upset about it because I hated Woodson's rotations too. Woodson, let's remember, would make substitutions based on the clock. The game situation (unless it was in the playoffs and he had every opportunity to screw things up) never mattered.

                                I much prefer Fisher's off the hip kind of rotation. I just wish there was some more forward thinking behind it.

                                fair pt well made.

                                if fisher can give the guys some minutes instead of quick sub immediately after some defensive lapses or missed shots i think it should be ok. i like one of the games he played grant and galloway all the way till buzzer sound. the nez game? before hitting half the mark of the quarter and grant was out.


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