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Re: Vernon Forrest vs. Ike Quartey
That was a truly pathetic and horrible decision.
There is NO WAY that Forrest won that by UD, even as a split decision it'd still be extremely controversial.
Quartey was robbed no doubt, I thought that was a pretty easy UD victory for him.Patrick Mahomes > God -
Re: Vernon Forrest vs. Ike Quartey
I can kinda sorta see how Vernon got the win, but not by such a wide margin. IMO Quartey won the fight. Everytime Melvina Lathan is judging a fight something goes wrong like this.Follow me on Twitter - http://twitter.com/complex219Comment
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Re: Vernon Forrest vs. Ike Quartey
I had it a draw. I guess Forrest being more active and throwing a couple hundred more punches won him the fight.Comment
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Re: Vernon Forrest vs. Ike Quartey
what a rip off. It was a close, boring fight. Forrest had a point deducted too.My Fan Page http://theusualgamer.net/MyFanPage_Heelfan71.aspx
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Re: Vernon Forrest vs. Ike Quartey
he sure was, I was in aww when I herad that Forrest won...Boxing judges have become a joke..Originally posted by Blaxican8504N.Y Mets
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Re: Vernon Forrest vs. Ike Quartey
yeah but Ike landed a lot more, thats what counts.Originally posted by MagicBucsWsoxFanN.Y Mets
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Re: Vernon Forrest vs. Ike Quartey
Originally posted by Blaxican8504
Quartey did not get robbed! The judges did not appreciate the fact that he held Forrest for like 30 seconds to avoid getting knocked out. The whole fight I was thinking that the HBO boxing commentators were not watching the same fight. If Quartey were a little more aggresive he might have been able to finish the Viper, because he definitely is a stronger, faster boxer.Comment
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Re: Vernon Forrest vs. Ike Quartey
So are you suggesting that Quartey just stand there and get knocked out?Originally posted by madscientist
Forrest was rewarded for throwing punches. Lets just ignore the fact that Quartey landed significantly more punches than Forrest and did so at a high percentage. And Forrest ran around the ring the whole fight while Quartey came right at him. The judges blew this one.Comment
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Re: Vernon Forrest vs. Ike Quartey
only more jabs...Forrest landed more power punches.Originally posted by Blaxican8504
I do agree, those HBO commentators can be quite influencing if they want to be.Comment
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Re: Vernon Forrest vs. Ike Quartey
There's no way in hell Forrest won that fight. Anybody with two eyes could see Ike won.OS Madden league (360) Giants: 0-0
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Re: Vernon Forrest vs. Ike Quartey
If I remember correctly, when it came to power punches Quartey landed 42% of his power punches while Forrest connected on 12%. If he landed more, its because he threw more.Originally posted by MagicBucsWsoxFanComment
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Re: Vernon Forrest vs. Ike Quartey
Over the last few years I've become more and more disgusted with some of the decisions. It's like boxing is slapping us in the face saying "Yeah, we're crooked! What are you gonna do about it?".
Here are some fights, off the top of my head, that I can remember in recent years that were obviously fixed decisions:
Fres Oquendo vs. Chris Byrd - Decision went to Byrd somehow despite Fres spanking him around for 12 rounds.
De La Hoya vs. Mosley II - another robbery. DLH set the tone the entire fight and got off before Mosley all night.
De La Hoya vs. Trinidad - Yeah, DLH ran the last 5 rounds but he dominated a slow plodding Tito enough in the early rounds to win. And the final 5 rounds Tito didn't come close to huring the golden boy.
Quartey vs. De La Hoya - Another jobbed decision for Quartay.
Ruiz vs. Golata - Another Don King purchased decision for Ruiz. I know that Golata was a DK fighter too but it's obvious DK tried to make money off of Ruiz' heritage. How else did Ruiz get all those bogus decisions or be allowed to slow dance for 12 rounds without getting ONE point deducted.
Lewis vs. Holyfield I - biggest joke of all. Lewis dominated from the opening bell till the last.
What makes me mad is that on some of these decisions the 'loser' doesn't make enough stink and the winner doesn't sack-up and tell the truth. I remember reading about a fight Joe Louis was in where he was given a gift decision. After hearing that he had won Louis immediately walked out of the ring shaking his head and publicly said he lost the fight.
In the Fres Oquendo - Byrd bout, after the decision was read Fres barely put up a fight while Byrd nodded his candy-*** head around as if to say "yeah, you know it!". If Byrd was a real man - a straight up guy - he would have told Fres he lost to him and then proclaim the same to the audience followed by a promise for a rematch. But he continues to parade like he deserved the W.
This horse has been beaten to death, raised from the dead and then beaten some more but someone out there needs to reform pro boxing. Senator McCain was on the right track but he needs more support from honest people. Guys like Teddy Atlas or Max Kellerman.
There's just too much corruption and mob ties involved. Too much money can be made with the mickey mouse alphabet soup gang running the show.
We've talked about this before on these boards but we need a boxing 'league' of some kind. A league that has set, static, purses that are determined by significance and rankings. A league that provides health coverage and pensions.
You make a league like that and 95% of the fighters out there will sign up. Tell some kid who's busting his nuts in Southie that he can join this league and make a guarenteed $5,000 for his first bout and is covered under an HMO for the tenure of his contract and he'll sign before you get all of that out of your mouth.
Sure, some of the Olympic stars might not sign because they can make more dough freelancing with the current system but being an Olympian has never assured you of greatness.
Guys like Hopkins, Mayorga, Pac all would have signed in this league. It's about time something was done.Last edited by Money99; 08-08-2006, 09:32 AM.Comment
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Re: Vernon Forrest vs. Ike Quartey
These types of decisions are exaclty why Pride Fighting and UCF are no longer fads. They are bonified competitors to boxing now. As a boxing fan I find all too sad but true.Dios mio, por favor dame paciencia con estos jugadores que aceptan productos "glitchy"Comment
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Re: Vernon Forrest vs. Ike Quartey
Yup. It's because there are basically no mis-matches in Pride or UFC. Top contenders are always fighting other top contenders. But in boxing a kid could break the top 10 with a 25-0 record without fighting anyone good. Then, they're expected to fight a 'contender' so more often than not they hand pick a veteran who's declining and needs a payday.Originally posted by MikeRo72
You know it's a joke when there's over 100 guys in one weight division but only a handful are considered good.
Which brings me to my next point; get rid of all the freakin' weight classes. It makes me laugh when Vargas enters a jr.middleweight fight tipping scales at 168. That's two weight classes heavier than what he's fighting at! I remember reading that Roberto Duran would balloon to 190+ in between fights when he was competeting as a lightweight.
Go back to the classic 8 and maybe add in the cruiserweight (with a limit of 200).
Then you'll have a lot more solid guys fighting each other every year. No more hiding from guys by adding or dropping 7 pounds.
Boxing could learn something from the UFC and Pride.
But alas to much corruption and not enough balls keep boxing down.Comment
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