PRIZEFIGHTER: For those who have an issue about health online

[totalownership]

This is how you should view the health bar. It's not an absolute of how your particular health is but rather relative to your opponents health and strength. Ok, what do I mean by this?

Example:
"It's the 5th round and we both have 100 percent health. That's BS".
Well you both have 100 percent because you both are basically in the same shape. You both feel about the same and thats why you're both at 100 percent. Also you can go further and say your punches are both relative to your strength so even though you have 5 rounds of fatigue you also have 5 rounds of fatigue on your punches so they wouldn't be as effective as they are in the first round.

Also if you can really work, and I mean work your opponent for a couple of rounds you WILL see his energy lower than yours. Of course you would have to be working him good while NOT getting tagged up pretty good yourself. Thus in relation to each other you're good and he's not so good and it will be reflected by him having a shorter energy bar than you.

[JayBee74]

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Bottom line question still is, "why are the knockdowns and knockouts so low"? I understand what you are saying but it doesn't address that problem.

[totalownership]

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Well actually it does. Once people get better we should see more versus people who aren't that great or who are new to the game.
Next time someone on your friendslist gets the game for the first time challenge him to a match and you'll knock him out. I've done it lol. Now once they get some clue and some decent tactic it will be harder.

[JayBee74]

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Well actually it does. Once people get better we should see more versus people who aren't that great or who are new to the game.
Next time someone on your friendslist gets the game for the first time challenge him to a match and you'll knock him out. I've done it lol. Now once they get some clue and some decent tactic it will be harder.

I've fought some really bad players online, guys who are out punched 40-10 in a given round, and they have still survived KOs. I guess if you have 12 rounds 3 minute a round you'd get more, but not many eraly KOs.

[LP]

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Thing is, not many of the fighters in the game have been knocked out a lot. Most are good fighters who don't even go down much. I think match-ups made from the fighters in this game would go to the cards quite frequently.

[totalownership]

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I've fought some really bad players online, guys who are out punched 40-10 in a given round, and they have still survived KOs. I guess if you have 12 rounds 3 minute a round you'd get more, but not many eraly KOs.

If people are doing 90 second 4 round bouts then they shouldn't be looking for knockouts. I just assume everyone is doing 10-12 round 3 minute round bouts.

[JayBee74]

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If people are doing 90 second 4 round bouts then they shouldn't be looking for knockouts. I just assume everyone is doing 10-12 round 3 minute round bouts.

Not me-mostly 5 one and a half minute round fights. I actually Koed an opponent in the 12th round of a 12 round fight using only one minute rounds. How are those that are doing the 10-12 rounders faring with KOs?

[JayBee74]

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Tried my first 10 rounder, 2 minutes per round, expecting a tough decision(me-Abraham, him Colozza) , hoping for some later fireworks, even if my opponent produced them. What I got was a first round knockdown on the strength of 33 of 41 right crosses, a few timely step in body hooks , and one adrenaline punch earlier. He was KOed for good in the 4th round. My final stats had me 197 of 289 (68%) with right crosses at 139 of 198 (70%). Sure, the guy wasn't that good but it was nice to floor him early.

[Lakers 24 7]

Re: PRIZEFIGHTER: For those who have an issue about health online

Bottom line question still is, "why are the knockdowns and knockouts so low"? I understand what you are saying but it doesn't address that problem.

Because that's the way it is in real life.

[JayBee74]

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Because that's the way it is in real life.

Yeah, to an extent. Hey despite my bad waffling on the game, I really like it.

[totalownership]

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Tried my first 10 rounder, 2 minutes per round, expecting a tough decision(me-Abraham, him Colozza) , hoping for some later fireworks, even if my opponent produced them. What I got was a first round knockdown on the strength of 33 of 41 right crosses, a few timely step in body hooks , and one adrenaline punch earlier. He was KOed for good in the 4th round. My final stats had me 197 of 289 (68%) with right crosses at 139 of 198 (70%). Sure, the guy wasn't that good but it was nice to floor him early.

So basically in a setting that represents reality a bit more than what you were previously doing you're getting closer to reality results.

[fistofrage]

Re: PRIZEFIGHTER: For those who have an issue about health online

Bottom line question still is, "why are the knockdowns and knockouts so low"? I understand what you are saying but it doesn't address that problem.

The last thing I want in a boxing game is more knockdowns. There are still too many in career mode. I think I've fought 1 fight with no knockdowns.

I would prefer to have less knockdowns and those knockdowns coming from well timed punches rather than just the attrition of beating down a stamina bar.

[JayBee74]

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The last thing I want in a boxing game is more knockdowns. There are still too many in career mode. I think I've fought 1 fight with no knockdowns.

I would prefer to have less knockdowns and those knockdowns coming from well timed punches rather than just the attrition of beating down a stamina bar.

Well you're getting your wish online.

[totalownership]

Re: PRIZEFIGHTER: For those who have an issue about health online

Well you're getting your wish online.

LOL. See the problem with that is it would be EXTREMELY difficult to make it where a KO/KD could come from the appropriate shot (Flush body/Flush head) because once a guy would see he's in trouble he'd just block those two key areas and run like hell. Also, if you do land other shots where does that damage go? You gotta figure after a while a guy can take so much so even if it isn't your best looking KO punch it could be that one hit anywhere where his body says "Damn I need a break, let's take a knee legs". And then keep in mind NO developer is gonna to make it so sim that only a true boxing fan would buy the game. I think PF got close enough (and maybe a little too close) to sim. I would have LOVED a sim option however. I STILL don't understand why this is such a problem for developers to do.

Make a separate lobby/option/whatever that makes the game take a hardcore sim approach and let those of us who want to play that way have that option.

[JayBee74]

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I think a lot of it stems from aggressiveness and landing hooks and/or uppercuts. Experimented using stamina challenged Pavlik against a created boxer who had to come out of career mode because his stats were pretty loaded but not ridiculously so. Went after him early with hooks and straights, had him almost down in the third, but the guys stats starting kicking in and by the middle of round 7 Pavlik was in very big trouble. I was pissed because I had probably won 5 of the first 6 rounds and probably would have trouble finishing the fight. All of a sudden we were disconnected (LOL, no I didn't turn the power off). My point is few KO's or KNDs will happen if you have a bout where scoring points is the objective of both contestants-sometimes you have to get a little down and dirty to take somebody out.