Klitschko-Rahman and Toney this weekend!!!

[Money99]

Re: Klitschko-Rahman and Toney this weekend!!!

I was 2 off.

First, and I am dead serious when I say this, if Wlad had an uppercut, I think he has the best OFFENSIVE arsenal in the history of heavyweights. His jab is just nuts.

I will give props to Rahman though. He took an insane amount of punishment. Wlad threw punches at a little guy pace and connected at 50%. And none were pitty patter. Rahman ate some pretty nasty licks.

Regardless, good stay busy fight for Wlad. He looked awesome, sans the lack of uppercut, and padded his resume.

Awesome fights coming up with Wlad against Haye, Povetkin, Areolla, Chagaev, or Valuev. Give me one of any of those and keep scratching them off the list.

Wlad doesn't need an uppercut because everyone's scared to get within 2 feet of him. Which is right up his alley because his long jab, right-hand and sharp left-hook are excellent from that range.

Sadly, the only real fight for Wlad is Vitali. And it'll never happen.
All of the other 'contenders' are so far below their talent level it's laughable.
In many of the rounds this afternoon, I would have give Rahman an 8 despite not being knocked down in most of them. His strategy was truly pathetic and I hope he never gets another shot at a title - which we know he will.

The thing with guys like Rahman is, if you're going to beat Wlad or Vitali - especially Wlad - you have to go right at him. You have to be willing to suffer a major KO, because if you don't smother him he'll pick you apart from long range. It's like trying to beat a sniper with a six-shooter. If you're a gunslinger, you have to get close and let loose.

Eventually one of the KO brothers is going to expose Valuev and I think that's the only fight worth watching at this point, and it's only because of the freakish size of the fighters that will be entering the ring.

The Heavyweight division is truly, truly pathetic. It makes me long for the 90's when we had a number of decent to very good fighters that seemed willing to let their hands go.

P.S. On a comical note, I remember when Rocky IV came out a number of black comedians made fun of it, not for the ridiculousness of the plot, but because the heavyweight championship was being fought between two white dudes. Fast-forward 20 years and here we are.

[thelwig14]

Re: Klitschko-Rahman and Toney this weekend!!!

Wlad doesn't need an uppercut because everyone's scared to get within 2 feet of him. Which is right up his alley because his long jab, right-hand and sharp left-hook are excellent from that range.

Sadly, the only real fight for Wlad is Vitali. And it'll never happen.
All of the other 'contenders' are so far below their talent level it's laughable.
In many of the rounds this afternoon, I would have give Rahman an 8 despite not being knocked down in most of them. His strategy was truly pathetic and I hope he never gets another shot at a title - which we know he will.

The thing with guys like Rahman is, if you're going to beat Wlad or Vitali - especially Wlad - you have to go right at him. You have to be willing to suffer a major KO, because if you don't smother him he'll pick you apart from long range. It's like trying to beat a sniper with a six-shooter. If you're a gunslinger, you have to get close and let loose.

Eventually one of the KO brothers is going to expose Valuev and I think that's the only fight worth watching at this point, and it's only because of the freakish size of the fighters that will be entering the ring.

The Heavyweight division is truly, truly pathetic. It makes me long for the 90's when we had a number of decent to very good fighters that seemed willing to let their hands go.

P.S. On a comical note, I remember when Rocky IV came out a number of black comedians made fun of it, not for the ridiculousness of the plot, but because the heavyweight championship was being fought between two white dudes. Fast-forward 20 years and here we are.

I agree he doesn't necessarily need it, but tonight for example, he could have sped up the process.

I disagree that the division is pathetic. It is much stronger than the 80's, but the fighters now just aren't on tv nor getting matched up. The Klits, Haye, Chagaev, Valuev, JC Gomez, Areolla, etc... are either good or exciting.

And with the "whites" fighting...there is an incorrect assumption that boxing was/is a black sport. Boxing has and always be an "oppressed" or "hard living" sport. Throughout the history of boxing, jews, italians, irish, blacks, etc... have all had success at certain times. Now, the Europeans, especially Russians, finally have access. It isn't like they weren't fighting...they couldn't fight. So now, they have opportunities. And across the world, most of these fighters lived a hard, hard life and much harder than any American currently has/is.

Either way, completely dominating performance by Wlad. Just flat out owned him. Wlad's KO % is just crazy. Higher than Tyson, Foreman, etc...

[phillyfan23]

Re: Klitschko-Rahman and Toney this weekend!!!

I was 2 off.

First, and I am dead serious when I say this, if Wlad had an uppercut, I think he has the best OFFENSIVE arsenal in the history of heavyweights. His jab is just nuts.

I will give props to Rahman though. He took an insane amount of punishment. Wlad threw punches at a little guy pace and connected at 50%. And none were pitty patter. Rahman ate some pretty nasty licks.

Regardless, good stay busy fight for Wlad. He looked awesome, sans the lack of uppercut, and padded his resume.




Awesome fights coming up with Wlad against Haye, Povetkin, Areolla, Chagaev, or Valuev. Give me one of any of those and keep scratching them off the list.

come on man.....wladimir is a fraud of a boxer. It took him 7 rounds to dispose of this waste? who has he beaten? that's why his punches look so good.

an in-form Holyfield, Lennox, Bowe would take wladimir out in less than 3 rounds. He will never be considered a great fighter as far as history is concerned. He will be remembered as a champion when the rest of the heavyweight division were all bums.

[thelwig14]

Re: Klitschko-Rahman and Toney this weekend!!!

come on man.....wladimir is a fraud of a boxer. It took him 7 rounds to dispose of this waste? who has he beaten? that's why his punches look so good.

an in-form Holyfield, Lennox, Bowe would take wladimir out in less than 3 rounds. He will never be considered a great fighter as far as history is concerned. He will be remembered as a champion when the rest of the heavyweight division were all bums.

I will respond to once and never again because you exposed yourself.

First, Rahman isn't a bum. You may hate him, he may be inconsistent, but he is not a bum. He has shown more than once that he has a good amount of talent and a good skillset.

7 rounds? Rahman was only disposed of faster by Lennox who unloaded a perfect combo on him. Even Lennox didn't dominate him like Lennox did.

Beaten? He has more title defenses than Tyson and many other past heavyweight champs and he is still only 32. Name a heavyweight fighter and I will make his resume look goofy.

Bowe? That is funny. Anyone who knows boxing knows Bowe would never take a mythical matchup with Wlad.

How he is remembered? They said the same thing about Holmes, Marciano, and many others. Those eras were far worse than Wlad's.

They are all bums? Because they have funny last names and don't come from the states? That is what they said about Calzaghe...Pacquiao...or Joe Louis because of his skin color, Jack Johnson, etc...

[phillyfan23]

Re: Klitschko-Rahman and Toney this weekend!!!

I will respond to once and never again because you exposed yourself.

First, Rahman isn't a bum. You may hate him, he may be inconsistent, but he is not a bum. He has shown more than once that he has a good amount of talent and a good skillset.

7 rounds? Rahman was only disposed of faster by Lennox who unloaded a perfect combo on him. Even Lennox didn't dominate him like Lennox did.

Beaten? He has more title defenses than Tyson and many other past heavyweight champs and he is still only 32. Name a heavyweight fighter and I will make his resume look goofy.

Bowe? That is funny. Anyone who knows boxing knows Bowe would never take a mythical matchup with Wlad.

How he is remembered? They said the same thing about Holmes, Marciano, and many others. Those eras were far worse than Wlad's.

They are all bums? Because they have funny last names and don't come from the states? That is what they said about Calzaghe...Pacquiao...or Joe Louis because of his skin color, Jack Johnson, etc...

First of all.....the Rahman that fought today WAS a bum. Maybe I should have made myself clearer. He didn't train hard enough for this fight either. He is not the same fighter that fought Lennox Lewis, and the only reason Rahman beat Lewis the very first time was because Lewis didn't take the fight seriously enough and was goofing off the whole match. I don't hate Rahman, I like him a lot because of what he did to the arrogant lewis.

But , doesn't mean he wasn't a bum today.

also, to mention Wlad with the likes of ROCKY MARCIANO? are you that delusional? Joe Louis? pass me what you're smoking.

Riddick Bowe in his prime (first holy fight) would wipe the floor with Wlad.....Wlad the same guy who got KTFO by brewster?

Holyfield even slightly PAST his prime would destroy Wlad, and yes even a young Mike Tyson and the Tyson a year out of prison too would ambush Wlad.

The quantity of title defenses is MEANINGLESS, unless there is some quality among those defenses.That's not his fault, but it doesn't mean that he is a true champion either.

What are you trying to say when you say he's not from the States and have funny last names? I'm biased because they're not americans....that's funny if it were true coming from me who isn't American and has a "funny" last name.

[Money99]

Re: Klitschko-Rahman and Toney this weekend!!!

I agree he doesn't necessarily need it, but tonight for example, he could have sped up the process.

I disagree that the division is pathetic. It is much stronger than the 80's, but the fighters now just aren't on tv nor getting matched up. The Klits, Haye, Chagaev, Valuev, JC Gomez, Areolla, etc... are either good or exciting.

And with the "whites" fighting...there is an incorrect assumption that boxing was/is a black sport. Boxing has and always be an "oppressed" or "hard living" sport. Throughout the history of boxing, jews, italians, irish, blacks, etc... have all had success at certain times. Now, the Europeans, especially Russians, finally have access. It isn't like they weren't fighting...they couldn't fight. So now, they have opportunities. And across the world, most of these fighters lived a hard, hard life and much harder than any American currently has/is.

Either way, completely dominating performance by Wlad. Just flat out owned him. Wlad's KO % is just crazy. Higher than Tyson, Foreman, etc...

What's even more scary is that Vitali's KO% is superior to Wlad's. He's only been taken to the distance once in 35 victories.

[Vast]

Re: Klitschko-Rahman and Toney this weekend!!!

First of all.....the Rahman that fought today WAS a bum. Maybe I should have made myself clearer. He didn't train hard enough for this fight either. He is not the same fighter that fought Lennox Lewis, and the only reason Rahman beat Lewis the very first time was because Lewis didn't take the fight seriously enough and was goofing off the whole match. I don't hate Rahman, I like him a lot because of what he did to the arrogant lewis.

But , doesn't mean he wasn't a bum today.

also, to mention Wlad with the likes of ROCKY MARCIANO? are you that delusional? Joe Louis? pass me what you're smoking.

Riddick Bowe in his prime (first holy fight) would wipe the floor with Wlad.....Wlad the same guy who got KTFO by brewster?

Holyfield even slightly PAST his prime would destroy Wlad, and yes even a young Mike Tyson and the Tyson a year out of prison too would ambush Wlad.

The quantity of title defenses is MEANINGLESS, unless there is some quality among those defenses.That's not his fault, but it doesn't mean that he is a true champion either.

What are you trying to say when you say he's not from the States and have funny last names? I'm biased because they're not americans....that's funny if it were true coming from me who isn't American and has a "funny" last name.

I think you and Thelwig both make good points. He believes Wlad is now in his prime and could be an ATG. You believe he's a weak champion blessed with a weak division.

I believe Haye is the key to finding out who's right and who's wrong. If Haye is the real deal and defeats Vitali. He will be the true test that Wlad has yet to face. Im hoping Haye is the truth. Otherwise people could be having that same argument years down the line, debating if Wlad was ATG due to his long championship dominance.